>want to read bible >try to research which translation to read >every fucking translation has problems in some way, even KJV and DRA according to Jow Forums >apparently it's not even God it's Yaweh >trinity isn't even a thing? it's just supposed to be God >changing words wildly changes verses depending on translation >source material is a fight between who's source material is better
I just wanted to read the word of God but apparently everyone corrupted it and everyone thinks they're right. I don't know Greek or Hebrew so what translation am I supposed to read that's closest to the source material?
Read The Message it’s the only Jow Forums approved Bible
Leo Robinson
Different day, same thread. Anyone want to Outguess the image for us?
Chase Reyes
Just pick one and read it user. I would say start with Mark since it is the shortest Gospel and jumps straight into Jesus's ministry. It is also the most eloquent in its description of some events also found in Matthew and Luke.
Just avoid whatever translation the JWs use and the NIV. You can't go wrong with the KJV though if you actually enjoy English literature.
Charles Perez
KJV adds so much shit not in the original texts don’t recommend that
I'm already on Jow Forums why do I need to go to another website?
Blake Evans
All you need to know is John 7:13
Alexander Hill
I was told that KJV is based off inferior texts, and that they think that theirs is the only one where the Alex ones are fake even though they're older? So I shouldn't read the Bible?
3 things to remember about the New Testament love your neighbor as yourself. forgive as you would like us to forgive you. give thanks to god. the rest is not important and the Old Testament just serves to justify the Jewish lie.
You're right. Trinitarianism has to be shoved down your throats for you to believe it, and Yahowah is the actual word used for "Lord". But really, as long as you don't try to take into account metaphysics or other non-Scriptural stuff to suit your needs, any translation is fine. Whether it's the Septuagint, the Masoretic, etc.
Isaiah Lopez
RSV2CE for Catholics.
James Baker
>the rest is not important and the Old Testament just serves to justify the Jewish lie. What do you mean about this part? What jewish lie?
Carson Russell
Don't listen to him or any "muh OT is a kike/desert book" shill, the Old Testament is crucial to understanding the New. It's in-fact the kikes that don't want you to read it, because they want goyim to follow Noahidism.
Nicholas Nguyen
>trinity isn't even a thing? it's just supposed to be God T. Jew
Nolan Gomez
The KJV was fine for over 400 years and was used by many great Christian men like Matthew Henry, George Whitefield, John Wesley, Johnathan Edwards, and Charles Spurgeon. It is a fine translation.
Even many English speaking Orthodox in America use it during liturgy.
Liam Carter
How do I know that I'm Catholic? Do I just say I'm Catholic? If I'm not Catholic will this be a terrible translation? I see, so then can I still use the word God? Or is that another lie?
Be a good goy and learn Hebrew this is the only way God will ever love you
Adam Nelson
>want to read bible good >try to research which translation to read >every fucking translation has problems in some way, even KJV and DRA according to Jow Forums there is no perfect translation, that is the issue with translating a ancient language with a historic context most people did not experience themselves I would recommend the NASB. Its good enough >>apparently it's not even God it's Yaweh No its Yehova, dont want to go into detail, but the jews have preserved the pronunciation over the thousands of years. They only dont want their people to know it, with the exception of the rabbis who have the privilege of knowing it. Has been documented accurate with letters going back to the early middle ages and bible versions with "misprints", they would leave out a certain vocal point, but the scribes would accidentally include them since they where required to know the name and pronounce it in their head correctly each time they write it down. For more information look up Nehemia Gordon research. >>trinity isn't even a thing? it's just supposed to be God He is God or part of God, that's enough. Trinity is not relevant for a beginner, nor for everyday life >>changing words wildly changes verses depending on translation Thats the problem with translation. Every translation is a interpretation. But to understand the message a strongs concordance or the plain text should be enough. Whenever something sounds weird check up the words in a online strongs concordance, and learn of the possible meanings and take that which you deem plausible. >>source material is a fight between who's source material is better Dont bother, use a bible with a new collection, like the NASB does.
In addition, get a "Chronological Gospel" by Michael Rood. Its a bit pricey (50$) but there is no better translation and study bible of the 4 Gospels than this work. It will also show what day and week every event happened including historical and cultural information
Matthew Lewis
>How do I know that I'm Catholic? If you weren't raised Catholic, you'll have to convert. Every church runs a program called the Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults (RCIA). They'll teach you the basics of Christianity and the basics of Catholic theology.
>If I'm not Catholic will this be a terrible translation? No. The RSV2CE (Revised Standard Version Second Catholic Edition) is based on the Protestant Revised Standard Version. The difference is some words are translated to better reflect Catholic theology instead of Protestant theology. It will also have 7 books that Protestants reject in it. But you can always skip those 7 books if you end up rejecting them too.
Aaron Taylor
>Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit What did Jesus mean by this?
Robert Walker
>trinity isn't even a thing? it's just supposed to be God pic related is the trinity explained.
The word of god sure as shit isnt something written by some degenerates stoned out of their minds to stave off hunger in the desert. But hey, what do I know.
Jacob Hughes
>II was told that KJV is based off inferior texts, and that they think that theirs is the only one where the Alex ones are fake even though they're older? No, its based on a "older" and smaller collection of manuscripts. Now we have many more mauscripts and many older manuscripts allowing us to to get a better picture of what the original manuscripts looked like
Adam Miller
Thanks for the link user, just finished with it, he kind of ended it just saying read multiple ones/read which ever
Thanks for the information I just want to be Christian, do I have to convert to Catholicism? I don't think Jesus was Catholic he was just Christian, shouldn't i be just Christian?
Tyler Stewart
Catholicism is a bit iffy to say the least
Angel Flores
>Being a retarded schizo who loves a delusion of a giant man more than his wife and kids Atheism is the only non-cucked choice. Note, not atheism, but atheism. Adults don't need imaginary friends and lies that make reality easier to cope with, you fucking manchild.
Isaiah Lee
Jesus to sacrifice his life for us and make the Old Testament obsolete. unless, as the Jews claim, Jesus is not the messiah.
Michael Bennett
I want nothing at all, I only say that spending your time reading the Old Testament instead of loving your neighbor is just rubbish.
Didn't Jesus validate the old testament and say it's still important?
Levi Gonzalez
>The old testament is obsolete I think not nigger. It has important rules and prophecies which are necessary for the running of a healthy society. To use an analogy: the Old Testament is the stern father figure who ensure stability and order and the New Testament is the kindly mothering figure who allows forgiveness. To love all openly regardless of sin is simply inviting disaster. To punish all for the minutest of sins is to cause ruination.
Angel Green
the Old Testament is the Koran and the Torah, so where is the interest? are we all Muslims?
Adrian Cooper
How about no you fucking heretic. The Catholic Church is the successor of St Peters Church. The only other Church that can even try to match this claim is the Eastern Orthodox but they're theologically and physically in such disarray I would stay away from them. To convert, go to the local Catholic Church and ask.
Carson Rogers
>I just want to be Christian, do I have to convert to Catholicism? First, all Catholics are Christian. Not all Christians are Catholic. Now, the Catholics will tell you, if you want to be saved, you have to be Catholic. Everyone else will tell you that you have to part of their denomination. There are nondenominational churches around, who ultimately have a theology similar to most evangelicals. Whether you like it or not, you'll inevitably get categorized somehow, beyond just "christian."
>I don't think Jesus was Catholic he was just Christian, shouldn't i be just Christian? Jesus was a Jew. Jesus started Christianity. Jesus trained disciples to have the proper understanding of true religion. Within the apostle's lifetime, there were people distorting what Jesus said and creating conflicting understandings of Jesus' true religion. God and Jesus promised His Church will survive even against the gates of Hell. So we know, somewhere, some church, some denomination, is the true Christian Church founded by Jesus.
Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox can draw a direct, linear chain of decent from one of Jesus' disciples to the leaders of their churches today. Thus, they all claim to be the true, original church of Jesus.
Protestants draw their claim from their interpretation of the Bible alone. They argue endless genealogies are unnecessary so long as they can discern the truth faith from the tool God left us (the Bible).
That's largely the debate between Apostolic Christians (catholic and orthodox) and protestant Christians.
James Cruz
You fucking retard, Old Testament god is YHWH, Old Testament is the same as Torah. New Testament is kike on a stick.
Brody Anderson
> It will also have 7 books that Protestants reject in it. But you can always skip those 7 books if you end up rejecting them too. in all seriousness, it always strikes me as funny that Protestants like to lecture Catholics about not following the bible but, it was their side that mutilated the bible in the first place to suit their purposes.
Bentley King
I am a French white man and why Jesus sacrifices himself for our sins if we are able to fight against temptation. sacrifice because we are incapable
Jacob Howard
Lmao, catholic found.
Blake Collins
Man is fallible this is true, but you cannot be saved by belief alone. You have to live in accordance with natural law and God's law, to fight temptation even if you lose on occasion.
Jonathan Moore
I was being ironic. As a fellow Catholic, I was trying to highlight something that is rarely ever discussed or appreciated: Protestants, at least those in the United States, often idealize the King James Version. However, the KJV has been influenced by Hermeticism and other occult beliefs, which I find rather ironic for an otherwise fine group of people with a penchant for accusing the Catholics of being in some ''cult.'' A person who would appreciate a Masonic bible would actually appreciate the occult background of the KJV, with the full knowledge that it was influenced by the occult/Hermeticism/astrology/alchemy, etc.
Austin Gutierrez
if your dead set on getting the best translation the Mentel Bible. Hope you know German.
Elijah Wilson
that is why loving one's neighbor as one is and forgiving as one would like to be forgiving is enough the rest is just to create economic communities.
Caleb Cooper
Enjoy being overrun by mutants and heathens, I'm sure it will work out well for you. Fair enough, the KJV is a dubious translation at best especially as they removed several parts of scripture, and then turn around to accuse the Catholic and Orthodox Churches of not following the scripture. The mental gymnastics Protestants go through to justify their beliefs and Churches is incredible.
Elijah Gonzalez
>A person who would appreciate a Masonic bible would actually appreciate the occult background of the KJV Funnily enough, masons actually use the KJV
>what translation am I supposed to read that's closest to the source material? We actually have no way of telling because we do not have the source material. Everyone who tells you "x translation is the best" is just pushing their agenda.
Connor Nelson
OP let me give it to you straight. The fact that there are so many mistranslations, different interpretations, confusion over what books are even considered canon. Should be PROOF that the Bible is not the word of God. I get your trying to find a pure Christianity but it never existed. And as long as religion is a path to power, it will never exist.
Liam Kelly
it is true that in France we suffer from immigration but good the French Republic is only a company and it is necessary to relativise in other countries the people suffer so that for example the gas warms the French home and like Jesus to explain we must give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. and I live is work in Africa.
Mason Williams
KJV is normative, all other translations are commentaries on it. If you believe that God preserves His words, then KJV has to be normative spiritually as well.
Nolan Hall
INC Biblepill: Masoretic Text is from Rabbinic Judaism (aka Mystery Babylon). They change the dates of the patriarchs to hide the 5,500 year prophecy of Christ's first advent found in the Book of Adam and Eve, Cave of Treasures. >youtube.com/watch?v=VI1yRTC6kGE&t=11s The Book of 1st Enoch is Scripture (Jude, Peter, and Jesus quote and derive doctrine from it). >Jude 1:14 The Book of Jasher once existed, but it most likely has been altered. There is a rumored copy that has been denounced by academia, since it blatantly claims that there is a three-age world from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:2. They call this book Pseudo-Jasher. >en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jasher_(Pseudo-Jasher) The Book of Jubilees should be canonical. It's how we can trace the lineage of Noah's son's throughout the world with complete accuracy. Even accounting for why there are Abo's in Australia. >youtube.com/watch?v=3jAQ08tJUpY&list=PLru2qbCMGOi7FQ7HiGJcODyJEoBP7-0Md The Book of Esther is dubious, since it introduces a new feast festival and it does not mention God. Some claim that the characters are typologies of Christ, but I'm personally skeptical. The Septuagint translation would have been what the Apostles used, since they quote from it extensively. >Matthew 8:17 "Esaias" is the Greek version of Isaiah. Anything from the Dead Sea Scrolls is important to read. It is most likely John the Baptist's family library, since his father Zacharias was a priest from that very area. It should not be attributed to the Essene, who were heretics of the Mystery Religion. >youtube.com/watch?v=h2jG0v-gAwM&list=PLru2qbCMGOi5IdRs0Efb9L0oyVL3E9r1f&index=1
All Catholics are not Christian. To be Christian you have to acknowledge that salvation is by faith, "not of works, lest any man should boast".
Camden Peterson
I'll start of by saying im Catholic, so i might be a bit biased, but then again i want you to become Catholic so that you might be saved.
IMO you do HAVE to pick one denomination, since it's generally understood by all denominations that only their denomination gets to go to heaven, so being non-denominational is the most surefire way to burn in hell since youre not abiding any of the denominational practises and are sucebtible to heresy.
Jesus Christ started the Catholic Church and all other denominations are split-offs so the most obvious choice is Catholicism.
To make it short, the biggest differences to Catholicism and others are: Protestantism (Lutherism) >Work hard and lead an almost joyless life to gain entry to heaven >No baptisms, no Saints, certain parts of Bible scrapped to fit interpretation of Bible >Churches much more likely to accept sodomites (see protestant church of Stockholm for instance)
Reformism (Calvinism) >Believes in predestination (God has determined my entire life begin to end for me in advance) >Very literalist interpretation of the bible (muh 7000 years old earth) >From personal experience mostly practiced by low iq dumbfucks suffering from cognitive disonance
Smaller local denominations in the US DO NOT FOLLOW
Dont quote me on any of this im writing this all from the top of my head
Aiden Jackson
>Thou shall not kill is mistranslated its murder >Murder in the bible is like killing someone because your jealous or are better off than you >Revenge killings use to be a thing because its justice
Xavier Foster
So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. James 2:17
Samuel Carter
To add, >Muh Papals had evil practices like indulgence-purchasing and greedy priests All of these bad practices have been scrapped after the counter-reformation so thats no argument against Catholicism
Austin Thomas
Its that time again ladies and gentlemen! Starting today's selection is a gift for our Catholic friends.
Try reading a book that hasn’t passed through the hands of several different governments before being presented to you as the true and unchangeable word of god.
Owen Barnes
All SIEGE posting is FED posting. Not all FED posting is SIEGE posting. >My country is only a company Who's the Jew here?
Jesus and the disciples used the Septuagint... it is the Greek translation from the original hebrew. the KJV uses the masoretic text for the OT... this was a translation done by those that rejected Christ... in appx 900 a.d.
The Dead Sea Scrolls annihilate this notion. In fact, your line of reasoning was the number one accusation from the (((skeptics))) until the discovery of these texts.
>Romans 13: Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
>the Old Testament is the Koran Quran was written a thousand years after the Old Testament was already fully compiled, it references both the Old Testament and the Gospels. What are you talking about?
>I just want to be Christian, do I have to convert to Catholicism? I don't think Jesus was Catholic he was just Christian, shouldn't i be just Christian? At the time of Jesus, the followers where considered a sect of judaism/hebrews Catholic faith is a chimeral abomination, where they fused Christianity with Roman faith and religion. Stay away from them. Though there are good catholics that love god
Can only advice this. The Chronological Gospel includes Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts and Revelations. Very accurate translations and good explanations.
In general avoid the liberal tranlations like NIV For the OT the translation is not important, not much dispute about how to read the text. Liberal Translations try to defuse the in liberals view problematic parts
New Testament more often is trying to force a certain religous idea into the text. Non are perfect but the NKJV and NASB are ok. There is also a bible by David Stern which people claim is good for the new testament but I have not yet seen it
Intuition is not the heart. Intuition is the communication from your higher self. It is the part of the soul that is incarnate in the body.
Michael Howard
It's funny how trinity deniers just casually skimp over the Baptism of Jesus. Where the Entire concept of the trinity is revealed. >16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. > John 15:26 But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me >Acts 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you see and hear.
The trinity is a central part of christianity and what separates us from Judaism and all religions? Why do you think the jews rejected jesus's message? Denying the trinity makes you a heretic. OP the KJV is fine. Start with the new testament which is what applies to us today.
It was a cave that was discovered in 1946 that held numerous Old Testament and Apocrypha scrolls from ~200 BC. There has been remarkably little difference from these texts to what we have in our modern translations' manuscripts. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls see They were likely John the Baptist library of Scripture.
