>invented everything to create a steam engine locomotive
>nobody ever thought "put some wheels and gears on the steam outlet, and put it on a pathway made to fit those rails"
>we could have had a white industrial revolution in 100 AD but the romans and greeks didn't bother thinking to use this in a practical manner
>tfw no steampunk future
Invented everything to create a steam engine locomotive
Austin Miller
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Blake Howard
This would never produce enough torque to do anything. You need pistons that are capable of handling the pressure
Zachary Powell
>This would never produce enough torque to do anything. You need pistons that are capable of handling the pressure
this
and
coal deposits weren't readily available
mapsofworld.com
still it's the Jew's fault
James Lee
Slaves were cheaper.
Elijah Barnes
They wouldn't have been able to calculate anything related to designing those things because they simply lacked the measuring tools and the math knowledge.
Jordan Morales
Strange thought indeed.
Chase Torres
Romans were too busy genociding northerners to fund their degenerate welfare state
Henry Nguyen
>degenerate welfare state
Jaxon Davis
could have landed a man on the moon in 969 and not 1969
Alexander Parker
FUCKING JEWS
Grayson Reed
Nazi Germany preached morality and values because they weren't atheistic retards who taxed piss and gave free grain to niggers
Juan Myers
>FUCKING JEWS
aint nothing like Jow Forums
Ethan Russell
>Slaves were cheaper.
this. also, slaves were currency as well. imagine how far the US would be if it didn't spend the first decades sucking off the slavocracy.
Juan Harris
>who taxed piss and gave free grain to niggers
alas the USA is like Rome in it's finally days and not like the well organized although some what not friendly Nazi Germany.
How you preparing for the collapse of the USA.
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Asher Clark
>slaves were currency as well
how did they make change?
Andrew Martinez
That's what manlets were used for.
Nathan Hughes
Writing strongly worded letters to Putin
Christian Fisher
>Writing strongly worded letters to Putin
Let him know were still waiting for the zip file containing Hillary's emails...
Ryder Gray
Some indio made this in 1936
Austin Gonzalez
Check out Pax Romana.. 200+ years of peace, which created alot of great inventions, but also some the greatest degenerative acts humans could imagine.
We are at about the same time (most areas worldwide are in peace), we got some of the greatest technological achievements and some of the worst horrors.
Difference: Roman world was a few dozen millions (a few hundred worldwide). We are at billions...
Imagine the next dark ages. With luck you and me be dead when it happens.
Dylan Ramirez
Fucker actually still owes me three fiddy
Kevin Flores
So use a different material.
Easton Thomas
pax romana isn't real retard
most advances were made before 100AD, stupid fucking public school retard
Pax romana was romes decline into doing fucking nothing for 200 years but losing pieces of the empire day by day
en.wikipedia.org
Zachary White
>That's what manlets were used for.
well that explains the existence of this guy
Jack Morris
Greeks were against technology, often building machines only to prove their philosophical/mathematical point and then immediately destroying machine.
Dominic Morales
>Fucker actually still owes me three fiddy
good luck collecting that shit.
I heard he that nigga even steals mofo's winning rings
Angel Bailey
>Greeks were against technology
OG uni bombers!
Levi James
Do you understand why? A civilization with slave labor loses its incentives to advance technologically. Necessity is the mother of invention but you cant invent shit if you're human cattle. Inevitably in any conflict, a slave-civilization will be defeated by a non-slave-civilization (even if the freedom of the latte type is often illusory) because the one will have a technological edge on the other. That's why the South lost the war. They had inferior technology. Shittier guns. Weak sauce trains. They sucked technologically but had a lot of good tacticians and strong support of their people. Sure they had less population but it was technology that turned the tide of the war.
Colton Cook
Sorry to bloke.. this is exactly what I meant: That Pax Romana was the beginning of the decline.. BUT in an era of peace some free thinkers are able to create amazing stuff.
Jacob Rodriguez
>With luck you and me be dead when it happens.
I'm not gonna wait around to see how this turns out...drag queen story time is enough for me
Henry Foster
Braindead post. It’s called trial and error, dumbass
Ryder Hall
>cant into history and philosophy of mathematics
You are ignorant as fuck. They had some kino mathemagicians in those days you dumb niggerfaggot
Christian Perez
>USA is like Rome
bread and circus, baby
Benjamin Ross
I used to think this, too, but then read an article debunking it because:
* Slavery was cheap: There was no incentives to innovate because slavery was cheap and plentiful. Why create a new industry when the old industry (slavery) could do it faster and better?
* Machine tooling: Yes, they had steam but did they have the machine tooling capacity to create a working locomotive? Even a "simple" locomotive would've required a significant amount of technical know-how that Roman/Greek artifacts don't demonstrate.
* Natural Resources: The Romans/Greeks just didn't have the capacity to extract the necessary ores and metals to sustain a locomotive.
In the end, it's plausible that they may have had enough resources to have their own "Manhattan Project" for the locomotive. For an one-time project, they had enough resources but the motivation was lacking. It does make us wonder what is our own "Roman Locomotive" for our time... Asteroid defense? Cancer cures? Underwater cities? Sadly, we won't know until we've been dead for about 1,000 years or so and historians look back and go, "Hey, why didn't they invent...?"
Brayden Brown
They didn't have automated steel production yet. How could they produce locomotives?
Aiden Barnes
>Even a "simple" locomotive would've required a significant amount of technical know-how that Roman/Greek artifacts don't demonstrate.
Chase Walker
>landed on the moon
Get a load of this guy
Jace Foster
>Weak sauce trains
this can't be underscored enough. probably the single biggest contributor to the south's lost. couple this with lincoln nationalizing the north's entire rail sytem.
Julian Nelson
That's the least of the problems. That design isn't efficient at all. They would've needed lathes capable of machining metal. Enough metallurgic knowledge to fabricate the metals. Then they would've had to invent piston engines.
Isaiah Cooper
Exactly. Here's a couple of paragraphs from Ellul's "Technological society":
>In their golden age of science, the Greeks could have deducedthe technical consequences of their scientific activity. But they did not wish to. Walter asks: “Did the Creeks, obsessed with harmony, check themselves at the very point at which inquiry ran the risk of going to excess and threatened to introduce a monstrosity into their civilization?"
>This was the result of a variety of factors, most of which were of a philosophic nature. For one thing, theirs was a conception of life which scorned material needs and the improvement of practical life, discredited manual labor (because of the practice of slavery), held contemplation to be the goal of intellectual activity, refused the use of power, respected natural things. The Greeks were suspicious of technical activity because it represented an aspect of brute force and implied a want of moderation. Man, however humble his technical equipment, has from the very beginning played the role of sorcerer’s apprentice in relation to the machine. This feeling on the part of the Greeks was not a reflection of a primitive man’s fear in the face of something he does not understand (the explanation given today when certain persons take fright at our techniques). Rather, it was the result, perfectly mastered and perfectly measured, of a certain conception of life. It represented an apex of civilization and intelligence.
>Here we find the supreme Greek virtue, self-control. The rejection of technique was a deliberate, positive activity involving self-mastery, recognition of destiny, and the application of a given conception of life. Only the most modest techniques were permitted—those which would respond directly to material needs in such a way that these needs did not get the upper hand.
Unabomber mentions Ellul in his writings, so he should be familiar with Greeks attitude towards technology.
Ethan Watson
Slavery was more cost-effective.
The same reason fossil fuel might not be the most efficient, but it moves the world.
Logan Perez
People create more in times of war.
Brody Young
>Even a "simple" locomotive would've required a significant amount of technical know-how that Roman/Greek artifacts don't demonstrate.
Antikythera mechanism
Jace Stewart
The CSA actually was the first country to use a submarine in warfare
Landon Flores
>lacked the measuring tools and the math knowledge.
yet Hungary only ever mattered when it was Pannonia, under Roman rule
Carter Foster
>landed on the moon
>Get a load of this guy
yeah the moon, van allen belt um... we cant see the footprint form earth, totally fake. I've got a 147 IQ so you can believe me.
Lincoln Myers
Based and human pilled
Samuel Thompson
Greeks also had proto-robots.
There was this self propelling cart thingy they invented; basically a platform to act as the chassis with cylinders for movement.
On top of the platform was this hollow vertical cylinder they'd fill with fat grease. They'd tie one end of a rope to the forward cylinder, and the other end on a boulder they'd drop drown the vertical pipe. Depending on how they'd tie the rope around the front cylinder, the cart would change directions on its own, with the boulder dropping down providing adequate propulsion thanks to mama gravity.
Cool shit.
Mason Davis
Correct but they had no means to manufacture them quickly like the north did, because they didnt have any factories because who needs factories when you e got slaves
They had the idea first, but couldnt capitalize on it because of their decadence as a society, owning niggers and being too lazy to even pay someone. It's no wonder Jews made up a disproportionately large slice of the southern slave owner pie.
Ian Flores
>Here we find the supreme Greek virtue, self-control.
The based Greeks were also into no fap...
Alexander Hughes
didn't invent anything as cool as anime tho
checkem
Oliver Campbell
off by one ya dumb bish get fuuuuuuuuuuuucked
Michael Sanders
No, they only create better weapons and more of the same that worked. After wars tho.. so you kinda have a point there. War creates the need to innovate weapons while you do war and civilian tech to fix the damage of war.
Luke Stewart
>This would never produce enough torque to do anything. You need pistons that are capable of handling the pressure
If you are building a piston steam engine.
It's possible to build an impulse turbine with somewhat low pressure max limits. For example the Titanic had a 400 ton turbine that ran on 6 PSI steam and 165 RPM.
The power output of a steam system is generally more closely related to the amount of energy being used to heat the steam than it is for efficiencies lost due to poor machining and lower pressure limits.
Can you get a high speed low torque steam turbine to run a direct drive? Yes. Is it better than horses and slaves? Maybe.
At the high end you could build a Tesla turbine which is a bladeless turbine design. It's questionable if they could have developed that but for the limits on materials you'd want a bladeless design.
Alexander Cruz
>A civilization with slave labor loses its incentives to advance technologically.
A similar principle applies today. Many economies are choosing to pursue labour-intensive growth. Nominal GDP grows when countries like Canada and the US pursue record immigration, and companies can do very well in the short term, but in the long term productivity stagnates and standards of living fall. Incentives to work more efficiently or invest in labour-saving technologies evaporate and the nation ceases to be competitive.
Jacob Garcia
Anime is the most degenerate thing ever you should be dropped into boiling oil
Juan Reed
kys retard
Eli Long
>dark ages grime and degeneracy unbound with digital technology
Do we get comfy matrix movie like orgies? Imagine cooming to some dopeass underground NIN like clones.
Jonathan Sanchez
>Knowledge
Backed by 300 years of complex industrial infrastructure construction including deep mining and massive quarries. The tools and equipment alone take generations to produce. It would take a modern day Einstein to POSSIBLY circumvent that.
Jaxson Garcia
This is ignoring properly handled, graded, sorted, shipped from long distances materials for those complex tools. We built trains because we could. We should be building space infrastructure because we can.
Jaxon Nguyen
Now what they could have done was handcrank propeller airships.
Nolan Rogers
Why is the earth appear so small? Shouldn't it be bigger???
Asher Kelly
This.
Jason Evans
>Greeks were against technology, often building machines only to prove their philosophical/mathematical point and then immediately destroying machine.
It seems like their philosophy in the end amounts to little. I remember one person criticizing writing and how in the past supposedly ancients memorized a lot of knowledge whereas writing down language would lead to a loss of that discipline, but writing inherently isn't evil, nor does it prevent a person from memorizing great amounts of knowledge. Muslims or Christians could memorize a lot of either the Quran or Bible, just because there is something which makes life easier doesn't mean we ought to succumb to it and let it control us, rather it is good that new innovations enter the world but it is up the man to decide to rise above the devices which make his life easier and control himself. It shows a fear of self control to live in a society that requires higher standards to remain disciplined.
Yet it is interesting to note how fallen angels introduced technology to humans as it recorded in the book of Enoch, besides technology in the end makes it possible for one person to have a lot of power and thus make other people rely on him or her for sustenance, and in fact THE antiChrist is just that conceptually speaking, where humans rely on a man for help and shelter instead of God. Man was created on the 6th day and the number 6 represents man. One giant in the Bible had 6 finders, Solomon received 666 gold coins if I remember correctly annually. Yet harming others as a means of revenge against the modern industrialized society shows the person is in spiritual chains.
Justin Taylor
The car isn't practical retard. Car didn't benefit anybody, especially not whites. It only benefited Jews, niggers and corporate crap, caused massive migration.
Jason Miller
Dude.. tf are you talking about industrial era tech as if it's easy shit anybody could do at whatever point in time?
Levi Richardson
Fuck wh*tes nigga
Easton Cooper
This.
James Perez
>Fuck engineering and math, just try shit until it works
>What do you mean it isn’t working?
Robert Sullivan
We're accelerating though. The dark ages will be shorter this time around, and it will probably be the final collapse before we start colonizing space. You know the old saying, third times the charm.
Jaxon Green
Romans and ancient Greeks were much smarter than USA, they didn't just invent to sell some shit without thinking about the future.
Carson Thompson
>It's possible to build an impulse turbine with somewhat low pressure max limits. For example the Titanic had a 400 ton turbine that ran on 6 PSI steam
What if you had 10,000 of them?
youre thinking in 2019 terms.
whites from 100 years ago and earlier had no issue making insane quantities of things.
Josiah Long
Slaves ultimately cost much more than what they were worth. Trading all your major cities for outdated farm equipment is not a good deal.
Wyatt Rodriguez
Well, at least we could have had the technology to have faked the moon landing 1000 years sooner..
Isaac Robinson
it wouldn't move shit.
Adam Davis
KEK
Kevin Miller
It's because they weren't Christian. Christianity had three important things going for it: a sense of higher destiny for mankind, an abhorrence of slavery, and a zeal for dispelling superstition and accepting only the bedrock truth of the world.
To the intelligent pagan, advance of technology only provided temporary advantage to one's group before it is imitated by others. To the Christian, God loves all mankind and advancing mankind serves God. Thus Christians loved progress to be shared by all.
To the pragamatic pagan, superior men made slaves of inferior men. To reduce the burdens of slaves served no purpose. To the Christian, all Christians are brothers, and all men should be Christians. The poorer brother might serve the greater brother, but the greater brother owes care and consideration in return. Thus Christians loved machines that could do work in place of men.
To the pagan, all experience of life was magical and anything might be the act of a god or spirit, so a magical stunt like this was just a spectacle, not a clue at some deeper truth which might bring one closer to God. The Christian sliced the world into the natural (ordinary things of common experience), preternatural (things which seem magical, but actually follow the laws of the universe), and supernatural (acts of God alone), then gradually investigated the preternatural until its connections to nature were understood, and gradually banished the supernatural into the past. Thus Christians brought us modern science.
Isaac Thomas
Too busy cooming in bussy
Brayden Baker
The Greeks and Romans lacked the prerequisite metallurgy to have effective engines
Grayson Price
This
Levi Green
imagine how surprising it was for the abrahamics during the enlightenment and white cultist beasts of the field started throwing down their chains of cult ideology and invented huge swaths of the modern world
Luis Thomas
Drink bleach
Hudson Powell
No they weren't, but that's what the roman leaders were told by the jewish slave traders.
Jacob Parker
that's a braaap conduit, while it can withstand immense gaseous pressure it's only purpose is harvest the seasonal output from the succubus fields
Aaron Murphy
>The car isn't practical retard. Car didn't benefit anybody, especially not whites.
Cars are great, they gave us unprecedented freedom and power to travel and transport goods over long distances and high speeds to any destination connected by a road. You're blaming technology for unrelated social changes.
Cars appeared around the same time as income tax, which has been utterly destructive for our society, and women's suffrage, which has enabled so many of those bad policies. Transaction taxes like income tax and sales tax destroy all private cycles of trade by default, and refocus all economic activity around chasing government money. Consider a self-sufficient village: without transaction taxes, it can take care of itself in isolation, but with transaction taxes, it is quickly drained of currency, and then the taxman (often in the guise of the usurious banker, who the community borrows from as a desperation measure) comes to start confiscating real property. All advantage of local self-reliance is torn away, nothing can be sustained without a flow of government spending to equal the taxation. If you would receive government funds directly, you must engage with the dirty political process by which those funds are allocated. If you would receive them indirectly, you must compete to serve the winners of the dirty contest to direct the spending to themselves. You must become evil, or become a servant of evil, or be economically destroyed and become dependent on the charity of evil. There is no innocent option but to fight and destroy this evil.
Gabriel Edwards
Exactly. And manufacturing pistons with tight tolerances was not possible at the time. This contraption just wasn't efficient enough
Thomas Robinson
Gas turbines drive tanks and some locomotives. No cylinders...
Also, this is similar to a wankel, but I think that most wankel engines have cyldiners arranged circularly around the spinny thing.
Wyatt Morales
This. Also, flywheels were extensively used in pottery. The same circular-linear motion translation used in the early transmissions of locomotives.
Logan Collins
Without termodynamics they could not do anything but building these toys.
Charles Hall
can you read ? it was with water so it was weak we did't have coal back then this is why it wasn't used for transport
Cooper Cooper
Steam turbines don't have high torque. You just need belts and pulleys to turn high RPM, low-torque into low-RPM, high-torque. The aeolipile is inefficient, but it can be improved incrementally. Early piston steam engines were extremely inefficient themselves.
The Antikythera mechanism says otherwise. Bronze is a fine material for steam engines. They could have done the machining at least for a small one to prove the concept. From there, they'd be incentivized to develop the techniques of larger ones.
They had the seed of it, they just didn't pursue it.
Owen Peterson
Does anybody ever dream about going back in time and inventing shit? If I went back in time I could pretty comfortably invent the generator, the vacuum tube and an 8-bit computer within a year or two.
Nicholas Gomez
That's what foreskins were for
Lucas Miller
>imagine inventing one of those
youtube.com
Luke Rogers
Somebody broke his ass.
Christopher Jenkins
Tell me, Mr. Dunning-Kruger, how far back do you suppose you could go and invent these things within a year or two? Would you harvest your own mineral ores or buy them?
Eli Russell
it would produce enough torque to automate some things
Jaxon Phillips
>Wanting to go back to literal caveman times
I mean renaissance or something. Even later, I mean 18th century computers would be a big deal and would solidify me in the history books.
Lincoln Green
Jews destroyed greek civilization through currency debasement and collapse before they could truly hit their peak.
Charles Perry
Didn't vacuum tubes take so long because of the great difficulty of producing an airtight glass-metal interface? Look how hard it was for Edison to build a functioning lightbulb. I propose the notion that you personally would not be capable of doing it on your own in the 19th century.