Biological life and the universe is so complex the only way it could exist is because of God! But wait isn't God infinitely more complex than the universe and nothing created him? Why does the universe need a creator but God something infinitely more complex came from nothing?
At the end of the day something came from nothing so why haven't you cut out the middleman? Also don't give me that bullshit that God has always existed and he's a eternal because that still means he came from nothing
>Always existing and being eternal
>Means he came from nothing
Fucking brainlet
Was there anything before God? If the answer is no then he came from nothing.
It is God that "came from nothing" then, right?
>before
You're still thinking that God is bound by space and time.
He's not.
It's hard to grasp it, but God exists outside of time, not just eternally, as that still implies an existence within time.
>some random explosion in nothingnes created everything
>some powerfull deity created everything
I don't know which one to believe
You ever notice how the days just keep going by? That's God
So like pantheism?
Saying God is not bound by space and time it's just an excuse you theist make.
At the end of the day nothing created God therefore he came from nothing. Unless God has a creator.
Its not an excuse. God set off the Big Bang, and the Big Bang was the start of all time, space, matter, and was even the start of the laws of physics. There was nothing before God because the dimension of time was created by God. We can't even wrap out heads around the idea of there being no empty space, no time, no laws of physics.
Our human minds can not comprehend god you pleb lol
Listen here you fat retarded fuck, Time does not govern anything outside this plane of existence
GOD IS ABOVE TIME, WE ARE JUST UNDER IT, TIME DOES NOT EXIST FOR HIM, ETERNITY IS MEANINGLESS ABOVE THE FOLD OF FLESH
why cant the cosmos be always existing? honest question
Brainlets really think they should be able to comprehend the concept of an eternal God.
We are God's children, can a 5 year old child really comprehend how a quantum computer works?
Well there you go that's how our relationship with God is.
How stupid and arrogant are you.
We could never comprehend how great God is.
I know atheists like to imagine that everyone who has faith in God, is talking about this simplistic concept of a whimsical old man with a long white beard who sits on a cloud and waves his hands to do magic, but some of us have a more refined concept.
The essence of believing in God is that there is some aspect of the universe establishing an objective morality giving our life meaning and significance. The scientific nihilist looks at the vast universe and says, "We are transient insignificant specks. Might as well take birth control and find someone who does butt stuff good, because nothing has deeper significance, and we're just wet machines that seek pleasure and avoid pain." The scientific theist looks at the vast universe and says, "God, who commanded us to be fruitful and multiply, mercifully sets no limits on our growth. All this has meaning because it is space for us to expand into, and we have meaning because all of this space needs, and all of this matters because God loves us and loves beauty, and the beauty we make by living. The more we learn about God's works, the more clear the importance of following His will, the more we see could be lost by defying Him."
If you acknowledge creation, why deny God? Why do you so hate to label whatever made the universe as it is, rather than some other way, as God? We evolved. God made us. There is no contradiction. I see the hand of a loving God in the second law of thermodynamics, more clearly than anywhere else: entropy may not decrease; thou shalt not! Life, as pure mechanism, breaks local maxima of entropy. Life which is better at this, is higher life. The progression from algae to man isn't random, meaningless variation, but the shaping of life toward man, toward intelligence, toward something that can consciously know the laws that shaped it, and embrace them, align itself with them; made in God's image, with knowledge of good and evil.
It can't be eternal if the Big Bang was the start of it. Do you believe the BB to be a big crunch? That's what most materialists figure if you pester them.
The big crunch assumes the universe runs like clockwork every time it blows up. It assumes that no energy is lost with each successive explosion. Also, our universe has now expanded so much that no black hole can reach a size large enough to suck it all back into one singularity, so this must be the final universe before the heat death, right?
Scientists used to believe in a static, eternal universe, since that's the only way to make materialism make sense. Unfortunately for the atheists, the Big Bang is one of the strongest proofs for God once you dissect what scientists are telling you occurred naturally.
it's the best way to make a fast buck.
this is why logic and metaphysics should never have been cast aside. fuck me
God is not an exister, except thru the mystery of the Incarnation. God does not "exist" the way created things exist.
Who says there was nothing before God? Just because the physical universe didn’t exist before Him doesn’t mean there wasn’t something else somewhere else you absolute brainlet.
Time is and isn't at the same time.
'God' is just some ascended being from another reality. The universe we exist in is just an interpretation of what God knew at the time. Our universe is likely the result of some test God had to perform in order to prove itself worthy.
Fractals, you fucking memeflag kike; learn them.
>we have meaning because all of this space needs
Whoops, didn't finish this bit.
>we have meaning because all of this space needs to be filled with life
I didn't explain the bit about entropy all that well either. Entropy is often described as "disorder" and is seen as a bad thing, with the second law of thermodynamics lamented as the doom of the universe. It's closer to the truth to say that entropy is information, specifically history. If entropy could be removed, the past could be erased, and life truly would be meaningless. The second law of thermodynamics secures the immortality of our souls: nothing that happens is ever truly without consequence, and an eternal record is set down. Everything we do has significance, because it consumes an irreplaceable opportunity and permanently changes the universe. Every thought makes an indelible impression, the waste heat produced by our neurons firing eventually radiates into space, in a pattern that would be different if our thoughts had been different: our immortal soul in heaven. There is only one past, and forever there will only be one past, and every event of the past remains real today, in a present that would be different if the past had been different. There can be only one actual future, for all the universe, and however we act will affect that future, choose it over others. Life matters, our choices matter.
that's quite an assumption, considering we know very little about things like dark matter or dark energy
if we need such concepts to explain the universe -and they only explain it insufficiently- we do not really know a lot about it, we might be dead wrong on a lot of things
Indeed, we don't know anything about the things we do not know. However, the things that we do know say that repeated Big Bangs are infinitely more unlikely than even just one unlikely Big Bang. Do you mean to say that our universe can be eternal and yet not be going through cycles of big crunches and bangs?
Your whole premise is wrong at its foundation you claim to be unable to reconcile God's complexity without in even more complex creator but the free ality is god is eternal ever existing and without cause or beginning there is no creator of god can you not get that through your head?