How come that Jow Forums and conservatards think that communism is anti-family...

How come that Jow Forums and conservatards think that communism is anti-family? It always has been in favour of saving the traditional family from capitalism

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kill yourself useful idiot

>capitalism
>communism
>saving family

>capitalism
Money and selfishness. But hey at least you have free time to see your Family

>communism
Bounded to the state. Commit a crime and your entire family is executed.
That's a quick way to get rid of goyim by the bolshevik Jews.

>communism
>state
oh boy

>How come that Jow Forums and conservatards think that communism is anti-family?
Because family doesn't matter to Communism. Only the worker.

>It always has been in favour of saving the traditional family
No it hasn't. Communism wants to destroy the family and replace it with society.

>from capitalism
Capitalism doesn't care about the family either.

>No it hasn't. Communism wants to destroy the family and replace it with society.
prove it faggot

(you can't)

>It always has been in favour of saving the traditional family from capitalism
Then why did Marx have an extramarital affair with a maid, creating a bastard son he never acknowledged who died in abject poverty? Why did the "free love" movements of certain communist ideologies expressly state they desired to abolish the traditional family structure? Why are you a disingenuous fuckwit?

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>>communism
>>state
Yes, Communism will always have a state because the true purpose of Communism is to put the Jews in control of the goyim.

Communism can never reach the fabled "stateless" phase. Since Communism is unnatural unnatural, Communism must become increasingly tyrannical and oppressive to attempt to remove human nature from the equation. Eventually that tyranny and oppression causes the Communist state to collapse.

yeah, let's forget that judeocommunism was all about wife swapping, polyamorous relationships, the breakdown of family and the taking away of kids to be raised by someone else to destroy family family formation, as per party directive, until the Russians had to out the jews and go full natsoc mode to fight the German natsocs

>being THIS uneducated

>prove it faggot
Communism was created by soulless, materialist, anti-White Jews.

Therefore Communism wants to destroy the family and turn everyone into soulless worker automatons with no connection to their family, race, gender, history, heritage, culture, traditions or faith.

>>being THIS uneducated
Said the anti-White racist who supports White Genocide via Judeo Communism.

Next you'll be telling us Jews like Marx, Lenin and Trotsky belong in White nations.

>materialist
Please explain to me what you think materialism means in this context (philosophy), because I can guarantee you it doesn't mean what you think it means

>Please explain to me what you think materialism means in this context (philosophy),
That the only purpose for human existence in Communism is the people creating things for other people (aka labor).
Unlike Capitalism though, Communism doesn't even let people keep personal property. Everything "belongs" to everyone. Which of course is another unnatural aspect of Communism.

>because I can guarantee you it doesn't mean what you think it means
Well you're a stupid Communist faggot so of course you believe Communism's lies.

>That the only purpose for human existence in Communism is the people creating things for other people (aka labor).
Wrong, materialism in a philosophy means "the theory or belief that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications."
>doesn't let people keep personal property
Also wrong, you can own personal property, no one will take your toothbrush away

>Wrong,
No, I described materialism under the context of Communism quite well.

>materialism in a philosophy means "the theory or belief that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications."
And even under that, Communism is still (soulless) materialism. Because it's of the Jews.

>Also wrong, you can own personal property,
See? The state determines what you're allowed to have or not have.

Want family photos? Well the state decided that family photos don't advance the cause of Communism so they're banned.

>no one will take your toothbrush away
Not that you have the ability to resist if the communist state were to take away your personal property.

>it's da joos
Opinion discarded
The rest of your explanation of property under communism is also wrong, but I won't bother with explaining anymore, because there is no point in trying to try to explain the truth to someone who's blind to it

I don't blame you for being this brainwashed, it's a natural result of being born as American, I pray that you'll one day be humble enough to look at the facts objectively

wtf I love Marx now

>>it's da joos
Yes it is. And that's a perfectly reasonable argument considering the fact that society is a racial construct.

When you have Jews, they promote themselves at the expense of the host race.
Jews created Communism, therefore Communism is not White. Because Communism is not White, Communism doesn't belong in White nations.

>Opinion discarded
Yes, you have to ignore the truth to continue believing in Communism.

>The rest of your explanation of property under communism is also wrong,
Not that I would rely on a Communist to tell me what is true or false, mind you.

>but I won't bother with explaining anymore, because there is no point in trying to try to explain the truth to someone who's blind to it
Said the anti-White Judeo Communist that supports White Genocide.

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>I don't blame you for being this brainwashed
That's ironic coming from someone that believes Jews belong in White nations.

>it's a natural result of being born as American,
Did you know only Whites can be American?

>I pray
Communists hate God.

>that you'll one day be humble enough to look at the facts objectively
I have, that's why I'm NatSoc.

>Said the anti-White Judeo Communist that supports White Genocide.
I'm neither white, a jew, nor a communist (I do however support white women's right to decide to pick a big black cock over a tiny whities)

>It always has been in favour of saving the traditional family from capitalism
explain how capitalism is something you need to be saved from

*anti-white
I am white

>I'm neither white,
Therefore you have no right to exist in White nations. Nor do you have any right to tell Whites what to do or believe.

What makes you think non-Whites should have any say in White nations?

>a jew,
You are a Jew by your Communist beliefs.

> (I do however support white women's right to decide to pick a big black cock over a tiny whities)
Because you're anti-White and you support White Genocide.

Notice how all you Communists are inherently anti-White? Yet you think White should adopt anti-White Communism...It's crazy.

>*anti-white
>I am white
Communists cannot be White. Communism is a betrayal of the White race. Therefore you are a race traitor and anti-White.

White women preferring a black partner is only natural, after all wouldn't you want to maximize your pleasure as well?

>I ran out of arguments, so I'll just call you a jew instead

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>White women preferring a black partner is only natural,
And like all Communists and anti-Whites you believe what is unnatural is natural and what is natural is unnatural. You see genocide as the salvation of humanity and Whites existing as genocide.

>after all wouldn't you want to maximize your pleasure as well?
Like all niggers, all you care about is pleasure and feelings.

Notice how you can't help but be anti-White? Yet you think acting like that will attract the Whites of Jow Forums to Judeo Communism?

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>seething white boy
It'll be over for you soon

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>>I ran out of arguments, so I'll just call you a jew instead
You being a Jew is an argument because in being a Jew it shows everything about who you are and what you want.

>>seething white boy
>It'll be over for you soon
So that's your argument for Communism huh? White Genocide?

Because Jow Forums believes that modern left is the same as the Old Left, aka they are fucking braindead mutts.

I love how Jow Forumstards like you are unable to comprehend that not everyone who disagrees with you is a jew/communist/non-white etc.

You forgot to switch to black nationalist for your cuck posting

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>I love how Jow Forumstards like you are unable to comprehend that not everyone who disagrees with you is a jew/communist/non-white etc.
You are a Communist and you are anti-White though.

The only people who disagree with pro-Whites and pro-White positions (like the White race existing) are anti-Whites.

>Because Jow Forums believes that modern left is the same as the Old Left,
Funny how Communism of old was Jewish and Cultural Marxism of today is Jewish.

>a real human with hopes and dreams took time out of their life to make this picture.

lol marx.

Too many right wingers are too ignorant of Marxism-Leninism to understand which elements are now useful to them. That being said, Engels was certainly anti-family. Lenin less so.

It promotes families to turn against each other to acquire more prestige/power from the state. The idea is literally ineffable to me, turning the mother of my kids over for a pay raise defeats the purpose.

Prove it? It’s integral to the core of Marxism. To spell it out for you, family is “problematic” by creating such factors as inheritance, socio economic background, family support, connections, etc. Even worse, the teachings and opinions within a family might not be aligned with the state. If you want your Marxist utopia/nightmare you’ll get nowhere if you don’t destroy family pretty early on.

In the strictly Orthodox Marxist sense, yes, but the Eastern Bloc was more pro-family than the West after WW2, especially in its late stages.

Because he explicitly says that they need to free the child from the parents and that wifes should be communal prostitutes with his reasoning for the latter being "I bet the rich all cheat anyway"

>communism
>saving traditional family
>saving tradition
yes the ideology that destroyed religion
destroyed gender roles
destroyed patriarchal values
destroyed morality
destroyed racial identity

saved tradition!

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Because Jow Forums doesn't understand that the problem is liberal capitalism, which is what most Jews defend today. The whole threat of secret Cultural Marxists is non-sense.

The problem is kikes and every ideology that is not national socialism.

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>being this autistic

Lenin was not a Jew, even by Hitler's own standards.

National Socialism had its own problems too. No ideology has all the answers.

Lenin married a kike so he is an honorary jew.

>All of Venezuela's problems come from an incompetant government nationalising its main export and pushing the consequences of their decisions onto the people
>Let's give the state MORE power guys, that'll fix it!

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>Lenin was not a Jew,
He was a mixed Jew. He was Jewish enough for it to be known.

Besides, he was a Communist and that's being an ideological Jew.

Yeah well, the eastern block wasn’t ”real” communism/marxism. It never ever is.

You, of all the people of the world, had to fall into this trap. Socialism can be both anti- and pro-family.

Do you know which socialism is anti-family? The one stemming from Marxist theories, the one we call "communism" and "social democracy".

Do you instead know which socialism is the one that's pro-family? Nazism. Yes, the one for which your grandpa fought proudly is the socialism that is pro-family, not the teachings of Marx, Lenin and other greedy bastards who are happy to destroy everything as long as they get power, even if they use fancy words

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The Soviet Union under Lenin wasn't even real communism by his own admission. Ultimately the withering away of the state as described by Marx, Engels, and Lenin will never happen. However, that's exactly my point, socialism isn't the boogeyman that right wingers make it out to be.

Nadezhda was also not Jewish by Nuremberg standards.
He was possibly less than 1/8th Jewish, again more than non-Jewish by Nuremberg standards. He was not ideologically Jewish, was actually socially conservative, and thoroughly attacked Jewish religious institutions alongside their Christian counterparts.

How was Stalinism anti-family with its focus on the Soviet family?

Because communists in the West support feminism, faggotry, and degeneracy in general

'Communists' in the West are more concerned with cultural liberalism than the actual economic basis of Marxism, which would favor white working class rule over Jewish elites.

>He was possibly less than 1/8th Jewish
That's Jewish enough.

>gain more than non-Jewish by Nuremberg standards.
Different time, different standards. Back then, a Jew potentially could be pro-German. Not so today.

>He was not ideologically Jewish,
Communism is Jewish, therefore yes he was.

>was actually socially conservative,
The only thing Jews wish to conserve is the Jews.

> and thoroughly attacked Jewish religious institutions alongside their Christian counterparts.
And yet Communism protect the Jew and protects Judaism. Meanwhile it harms the White race and harms Christianity.

Family and marriage is not under the jurisdiction of government, rather its under God.

Karl Marx had Jurisdiction over nothing, because he was lazy slob. He would not mix his labor with nature and create property. He would not respect his fellow man's rights to own their property. He spent his life racketeering the Engel's textile factory. Holding his son hostage to fake moral dilemma in exchange for food, shelter, and money that he did not earn.

He invented those C words. Do not adopt them. Do not fall into that bipolar trap.

They still get a big ditch in the end.

Off-topic, but maybe some commie itt can answer something for me.
The dilemma of the tragedy of the commons, kin-selection and social loafing are well known and studied facts in nature which directly oppose the principle of international socialism.

In a fully cooperative environment the every individual receive greater benefits from the system than acting alone, however acting selfishly in an otherwise cooperative environment yields greater benefits for the selfish individual at the cost of every other individual.
Not wanting to be taken advantage of the other individuals are lead to act selfishly in response to other selfish individuals, leading to the collapse of cooperation.

Combine this with the knowledge that cooperation and altruism is largely genetic traits, and that kin-selection and the "green-beard" principle are ideas affecting all animals including humans and you would have to realize that communism is a terrible, self-sabotaging ideology that needs to commit atrocities to sustain itself and that some kind of ethnic focused, eugenic socialism is the only way for it to function in any capacity without regular state run purges.

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If you're standards for who is a Jew is stricter than Hitler's you might want to rethink how you look at the JQ. Lenin was not Jewish and put large numbers of religious Jews to death. Not to mention his successor Stalin was a proper antisemite who killed scores of Jews while opening the door to the Russian Orthodoxy, and promoted the Soviet family.

staleless has been humanity for the most part during hundreds of thousands of years, is that your definition of unnatural ?.. lol

Anyone who argues for collective state ownership of every sector of the economy still is a retard. The NEP under Lenin and other economic reforms by Stalin are proof even the most hardline Marxists abandoned it long ago.

*stateless

and classless too

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You aren't a real Marxist if you don't understand that the phases of progressive modes of production played a role in the necessity of the state.

Because communists have their core audience in big citys, among low income workers, students and welfare recipients while families mostly have opposing interests o these 2 groups and are more aligned with churches or bourgeois institutions.

If commies want to rule the citys they have to split the families up into welfare recipients and low income workers or chase them away. Aka destroy them in one way or another.

I'm just making a point of the human nature argument, not talking wether the state is a necessity and yes it is for capitalism and socialism, communism though is stateless because there is no opression of classes

Thanks for answering nothing and ignoring what was said.
The things I mentioned are much more general than "collective ownership" its about limited resources and cooperation.
Read it again and THINK before shitting on your keyboard

> The mouse trap wasn't even a real plate of cheese.

you forget he also closed the door on and purged the orthodox before "opening" them again

or. you know, you just omit it

Bullshit, if it was upto communists we'd all be living in communes without recognition of familial bonds.

(((Communism)))

>It always has been in favour of saving the traditional family from capitalism

Marx viewed, as Fourier and Proudhon, the family as one of the main tenants of capitalism, perpetuating the idea of private property and inheritance.

Engels wrote "The origin of the family, private property and the state" criticizing the role of family and labeling it as a wall to throw if we wanted to reach socialism.

Not sure if you're just ignorant about Marxism or simply disingenuous.

look up the fucking Frankfurt school that came from the same people who started communism you ignorant child.

You missed my point. I was agreeing that the stateless communist state will never be achieved.

COMMUNISM IS ANTIFAMILY BECAUSE FAMILIES ARE MONOPOLIES ON SEX AND REPRODUCTION

TO DISTRIBUTE SEX AND REPRODUCTION EQUALLY THE FAMILY UNIT MUST BE ABOLISHED

THEREFORE FAMILIES MUST BE DESTROYED

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>Frankfurt school that came from the same people who started communism
American education is truly horrendous

That withering away of the state will never happen, as it has far more functions than suppression of the working class.

Purging of the Orthodoxy was primarily done under Lenin. Stalin just let them back into society, which was not something he extended to the religious Jews.

I addressed your point retard.

The Frankfurt school was full of revisionists, liberals who lost their touch with Marxism.

The funny thing is that Lenin murdered thousands of prostitutes and had them sent to gulags.

I won't tell you why a principle found among animals in nature can't be answered with "it's the government run collectivization"
Self-righteous retards like you will be purged first, no matter if commies or fascists turn the gas on

He means real communism not the imaginary one in your head cannon.

But communism didn't put Jews in control of goyim. The Soviet Union was under firm one man control with Lenin then Stalin.

LOL, kys faggot. Marx was just like his followers. Fucking lazy dumbass who never worked a real job, LARPed as a revolutionary and mooched off his family. If you won't kys at least get a job faggot.

thats socialism, not communism. tard.

communists oppose the bourgeois and atomised conception of a family that arose from industrialisation and support extended families