Q: I recently got a gp5 and I was wondering the best way to test it without fucking gassing myself
Q: I recently got a gp5 and I was wondering the best way to test it without fucking gassing myself
Blake Price
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Oliver Green
Air freshener.
Hunter Martinez
This, also get some modern FP-5 filters or Israeli filters and hope they fit. Soviet filters, especially GP-5, almost always use asbestos as a filter.
Jack Robinson
No masks use asbestos as a filter.
Canister filters have used activated charcoal and other adsorbents since their invention.
Asbestos is used in the prefilter to add mechanical strength to the paper and to breakdown arsenic compounds. It would have to pass through several other filter assemblies to reach the user. If you are getting asbestos in the mask you would also be getting a significant amount of everything else and the damage to the canister would have been pretty fairly obvious.
Anthony Rogers
Does air freshener test the biological part of the filter though
I know that I should get modern filters Becuse of the asbestos in the filter but I want to see if the current one works
Jeremiah Parker
If you're going to wear the old filter don't wear it often or for long and first turn it upside down and tap the screw end against a piece of paper on a table. If any powder comes out it's compromised and will fuck your lungs
Hudson Hernandez
If anything is going to come out I'm already lung fucked cause I wore this for almost a whole day but thanks for the advice
Leo Parker
Christ dude, you do realize that if you end up with mesothelioma this way you aren't entitled to the financial compensation right?
Caleb Cook
I really don't have much to live for so if I get mesothelioma it would be a pleasent surprise
Juan Brooks
D-Do you wanna talk about it user?
Jayden Green
Can't argue with that so carry on comrade.
Kayden Richardson
Let's all grab our gas masks and get Jow Forumsomfy
Gavin Lewis
Hahaha no
Gabriel Cooper
Already comfy in bed and both my masks are out of reach
Jackson Richardson
Yes
Isaac Gomez
Fug it, I got up
Xavier Phillips
Ya know my original question just got completely ignored but I'm completely fine with how this turned out
Matthew Williams
Speaking of which, gas masks do come in handy in all sorts of situations; like when one of my dogs got sprayed by a skunk and I had to give her a bath. Gas mask mitigated the smell!
Cooper Hughes
Jacob Hughes
I use mine for spray painting and shit like that.
Bentley Ross
I'm either an idiot or lots of people have schms/shms gas masks
Jayden Howard
All the three posted in here are me.
Austin Torres
The asbestos thing is mostly just knejerk. The asbestos is in the pre-filter, and must be pulled through the rest of the filtration layers first. Heretofore, yes it contains asbestos, but no, you can't actually inhale it through the filter. The soviet mask designers might have been pragmatic and cheap, but they werent stupid.
Joseph Gomez
The problem comes with the break down of the filters over time. It won't do you any immediate harm when the filter is new but twenty thirty years down the line when its old and compromised it can be dangerous.
Elijah Thomas
Do NOT under any circumstances use air freshener to test the seal of a gas mask/respirator! The results are not controlled nor consistent because the vapor cannot be concentrated enough to make an effective judgement on the mask's sealing capabilities. The only known effective way to test the seal of a gas mask (other than access to specialized testing machines) is to use banana oil ampules - you hold them near key areas where a leak might occur and the strong scent of bananas will tell you that the mask is leaking without risk if inhaling aerosol vapors.
Zachary Roberts
It's no guarantee that it will stop a full chemical attack but air freshener is safe to assume it'll minimize the effects of something like tear gas.
Robert Smith
"minimizing" is not something you want to take your chances with when it comes to CBRN agents, even non-lethal ones.
You want nothing less than total cancellation and protection against the agents, in which case a cheap household odor eliminator is not going to give you adaquate results.
Grayson Martinez
Some guys ran filtration tests for asbestos on the soviet filters. It was found that even though the soviets never classified them as such there are actually 2 designations of soviet filter (for purposes of the filtration test they were designated M1 and M2)
M1 filters contain asbestos, but it is not a problem, the real problem was actually lead exposurem M1 filters used a mixture of asbestos, activated charcoal, and lead. They were manufactured up until 1987.
The newer model manufactured post 1987 (designated M2 for testing purposes) has neither of these and is safe to use.
In addition, the M1 filters are fairly robust and the lead exposure is minimal, and the filters did a remarkable job of filtering everything out, obviously no exposure is better than small exposure. But yeah, buy post 1980's stock and you will be totally fine. Also use common sense and never use a filter that you did not unseal yourself. If it does not have a seal or is not in sealed packaging do not ever use ANY filter. You have no idea what kinda crazy shit it may or may not have been exposed to.
Caleb Williams
Ich bin Autist und habe vergessen, das die studie in deutsch ist
(I forgot the gp5 filtration study is in german. Sorry guys. Im bilingual and forget)
Ethan Garcia
>Something Like tear gas
Angel Watson
THIS
well then that's why you don't use soviet filters. instead use modern russian gp-5 also this
this only half works, any painters mask can block out that.
also this
Seriously, just buy modern filters, they're like 6 dollars, shipping included.
nice find, it's always difficult to find sources for this kinda stuff.
apparently the spurdos ran some tests too.
:DDDDDD
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Aiden Brown
I was actually specifically trained in NBC, and no matter how good your mask is it really doesnt matter unless you have a MOPP suit, and even those might be obsolete nowdays.
Nuclear is just about keeping the fallout off your skin and out of your body. A trashbag, some duct tape, and a decent commercial paint respirator like pic related will do fine. You cant wear anything heavy enough to block gamma radiation anyways so really you just need to avoid inhaling or swallowing any fallout until you can get to real shelter.
Biological can spread in a lot more ways than inhalation, so again, even if your gas mask is primo it really doesnt mean anything without a MOPP suit. And again, the goal is to get to a decon unit and get out of the exposure area, even a MOPP suit and mask isnt any good if you cant get clear.
Most Chemical weapons nowdays arent just inhaled. Gas masks have been around for over 100 years, so naturally chemical weapons development figured out how to bypass them by going for skin contact exposure. A dot of good nerve agent the size of the point of a needle landing anywhere on your body will render you combat ineffective, and dead without medical attention. Theres also a new class of chemical weapons based on blood agents that actually bypass pretty much any sort of filtration or MOPP protection we currently have anyways.
Moral of the story, unless you posess clear early warning, access to a full professional decon unit, and comprehensive medical support anything except the Nuclear part of NBC is going to be so crazy deadly that even with a good mask you are fucked.
Grayson Hughes
Get your car in the garage and let it run and take a nap with your mask on, if you wake up coughing, your mask isnt working properly
Jacob Miller
Basically everyone here already knows that, even the retarded asbestos posters.
There actually are filters that exist that convert co to o2. They're all pretty ancient though.
Owen Torres
I think you give people on neo-Jow Forums too much credit. Half the jackasses who migrated to Jow Forums from reddit lurking here think of radiation and biological weapons like a toxin, and vastly underestimate the lethality of modern chemistry. Some guy with a baggie of fentanyl that fits in your pocket could wipe out a football stadium by tossing it into the HVAC system, and that shit wasnt even specifically made to be weaponized. .
Kevin Ward
Yeah, you're probably right.
Brayden Gray
>order surplus gas mask from Russia
>get cucked by customs
For fucks sake
Dominic Turner
Cigarette smoke.
Juan Powell
B-but muh ebin "I thought I do a video" britbong!
Luis Cooper
>gp5
>asbestos
Enjoy your lung cancer
Jeremiah Sanchez
GP5's are a meme, the IP5 is better and can be used for hours in a contaminated environment.
you can unofficially scuba dive with it as well.
Matthew Peterson
try chlorine gas
[spoiler]really don't do it[/spoiler]
Kayden Johnson
Um, I know this already...?
I'm speaking in terms of exposure to lachrymal and pulmonary agents. I doubt many Jow Forums anons will expose themselves to blister and nerve agents (inb4 gasbro thread reference).
Also having a full protective suit isn't going to do jack shit if your mask is non-functional and/or leaky.
Also
>trash bag
>duct tape
>industrial half mask with filters not rated for cbrn
that's how I know you're not CBRN-trained
Carson Ramirez
Jaxon Williams
Eli Perez
Let me go more in depth with the reasonings on my last note just because of how utterly retarded and impractical it would be to suggest those things for cbrn protection.
>trash bag and duct tape suit
First off let me just say that 'homemade cbrn protection' is not a phrase you want to use.
You're assuming that the average civilian has the level of competence to make sure that all seams in the suit have no leaks or gaps, and even if there were, there'd be no way to check accurately.
Nextly, we don't know how trash bags will hold up against certain cbrn agents. It's both a risk of the material perishing or the craftsmanship being shoddy to let agents enter the suit.
Also, it would be a considerable amount of effort to essentially make a disposable suit. You always want to buy protection because not only will it take the stress of the work out of your hands, but it will also alleviate the mystery of whether or not it works (if you're not being dumb about what you're getting).
Lastly, have we factored in secondhand exposure? In cases where a full protective suit is needed, it will be against agents that are highly persistent and able to remain as liquid droplets on surfaces for considerable periods of time, releasing harmful vapors in enough quantites to injure or even kill. Assuming 'Brent Everydude' and his homemade trash bag suit knows nothing about decontamination, or does a very sloppy and unthrough job of it (i.e. being hosed down with plain water from the garden hose or something) the moment he tears that suit off him, he's getting exposed to liquid agents.
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Isaiah Mitchell
>industrial half mask
Okay. Suggesting ANYTHING industrial for cbrn protection is not a good idea. Especially if you're suggesting a painter's half mask that leaves considerable areas of skin exposed and does not use CBRN-rated filters!
The whole meme of 'industrial stuff is made to higher standards and military-grade masks don't work xDDD' is utter retardation and I shouldn't need to explain why. They're totally different fields of application and are not compatable unless explicitly stated by the manufacturer that it is in fact, cbrn protective.
A half mask with 'natural vapor' cartridges is gonna do a hell of a lot less than a full face protective mask with niosh-approved cbrn-rated canisters.
Most of Jow Forums can't even buy a gas mask without bitching over whether it's safe or not, so do you really expect anons to be able to make their own chemical gear like that? I can't get over that. And to claim you're a CBRN specialist while suggesting this makes me even more concerned. I might be acting a bit butthurt but this is some darwin award winning crap you're siggesting here.
tl;dr - I hope you're utilizing these suggestions you've made because honestly, the world would be better off without people who think something like that is a good idea.
Michael Kelly
Literally none of your wall of text provides any sort of protection from the gamma radiation released by fallout, and yes, in CBRN training "cover your mouth with something and wrap yourself in a rain poncho" is taught as a makeshift measure to minimize exposure and get to shelter when nothing else is available.
The goal behind ANY CBRN training is not complete protection, but minimization of exposure and seeking decon and real shelter.
Unless you can figure out how to make a sealed suit out of 8 inches of lead and provide an internal oxygen supply all you are ever doing is minimizing exposure.
Luke Parker
I highly doubt trash bags protect against gamma radiation either, shitwit
You're essentially drilling holes in a seive with your logic.
And just because a majority of CBRN involves minimizing the risk does not mean one should cut corners - the difference is someone trained in CBRN protection will have the resources and the means of treating themselves, if not, treatment will likely come. They have a greater idea of what to expect, and so last ditch protection may work well enough. But your average civilian will not always have immidiate access to atropine, fuller's earth, and other medical treatment for CB exposure.
Your entire argument that "it doesn't protect against radition" is an utter fallacy because truely nothing will. Radiation is the only thing where minimizing is the only option because there is nothing more that can be done. CB agents you can take premtive and practical measure to reduce exposure that shouldn't involve cheaping out.
Not to mention this argument was never about raiation in the first place - it was about CB agents primarily.
Jose Nelson
>tfw the CBRN training I received in the military was nothing but "just put on the GP-5 and a rain poncho lmao"
Zachary Evans
I have a czech gas mask that looks exactly like pic related. Internal cheek filters are a bitch.
Josiah Sullivan
And if you were *really* trained in NBC, you know MOPP gear realistically does very fucking little. I worked with 74D's nonstop. They all say the JSLIST is a load of shit.
Chase Butler
It really doesnt protect against much more than very primitive chemical weapons like cholrine, phosgene, or similar ww1-ww2 era blister agents and such. Maybe 3rd world shitty versions of VX or sarin too. Against any serious chemical or biological threat its basically just to prevent troops from panicking by providing the illusion of control. In an earlier post that apparently made some trip-fag sperg out I pointed such facts out. Modern chemical and biological weapons are pretty much tailored to bypass shitty rubberized canvas and charcoal MOPP gear.
Hudson Morris
Nigga, I ain't no tripfag, I'm just a namefag.
Also I've been saying charcoal suits suck for years. Impermiable suits are the way to go.
Charcoal suits are disposable, stuffy, lose their effectiveness quickly, and utterly a waste of time. Before the argument of 'hurr durr heatstroke with rubberized suits', you can splash water over impermiable suits and the evaporative effect cools it down significantly.
Also:
>"Modern chemical and biological weapons are pretty much tailored to bypass shitty rubberized canvas and charcoal MOPP gear"
Then why do we use it? Why does it exist? Why does CBRN exist in general? Why suggest garbage bags and paint respirators if nothing works?
Just why???
Xavier White
tfw your country buys cbrn equipment from china and 1 year later it is all recalled due to not being airtight or made from the correct material
tfw the chinese company that made the cbrn equipment is dissolved before refund or replacement and keeps all of the equipment
tfw government has to find somebody to make more cbrn equipment but has already spent budget for said equipment
tfw a new chinese company lowballs all other tenders and your government purchases more cbrn equipment from china
tfw the new equipment arrives and it is eerily similar to the equipment that was returned 1 year earlier
Levi White
as much shit as it seems to get, i thinks its quite a comfortable mask, and fits my head well
Noah Russell
Avon fm12, 10/10 comfort.
Need to buy some new filters soon so I can double-fist them.
Blake Sanders
I suppose the A/k/ua/k/ommando is still MIA just like the idiot who gassed himself, right?
Nolan Lewis
Try reading the comment that sperged you out again. Fallout is going to do its work on you through literally anything you are wearing. The biggest concern with fallout is not inhaling or swallowing it, or getting it trapped under fingernails or in your asscrack or something. Fallout is not a gas or vapor, its dust. Radioactive dust. So literally any decent particulate filter will do for long enough to get to shelter. The thing about gamma rays is, you need atleast 2 1/2 feet of concrete or 4 feet of soil to shield yourself. You cant possibly wear anything that is going to provide that kind of shielding.
Thing is that fallout is both highly exaggerated and highly downplayed in all the wrong ways. The amount of shielding required is so retarded high there is literally nothing you can wear to reduce exposure by any significant amount. But morons like you push ideas like MOPP gear being "rad suits" from scifi. Literally the only function MOPP gear has in a scenario with nuclear fallout is particulate filtration and preventing particles from getting into your soft juicy naught-holes. Nothing short of a decent fallout shelter is going to be useful, all you can do is not breathe it, get as little as possible in your fag-crack, and wash off really really well as soon as possible so that dust doesnt sit in your penis-receptacle blasting gamma radiation into your prostate for 3 weeks while you wonder why 6 feet of dirt with a positive overpressure NBC filtration air supply doesnt seem to stop you from pissing blood or losing teeth while you suck dick.
Obviously nobody is retarded enough to think a trashbag and painters mask will protect from VX or weaponised syphillis. Im simply stating that such a setup is abput as useful as full MOPP gear in handling fallout. Its only gotta last you for as long as it takes to get to shelter, and fallout is a particulate which can be filtered by literally any HEPA rated system.
Jason Powell
ESTONIA LET ME BUY YOUR FATIGUES GODDAMMIT
Dominic Mitchell
I recommend equal parts bleach and ammonia. $4 at walmart, bam. You're welcome.
Oliver White
It ain't all that easy. The EDF is incredibly paranoid about potential enemy infiltrators getting hold of their kit, so any and all surplus is destroyed.
Commercial knockoffs do exist, but they're expensive and not sold internationally.
Your best bet would be to find a bro in Estonia and get him to act as a middleman.
Hunter Reed
It's like that "do not learn Mandarin" pasta all over again
Gabriel Parker
they actually sent the same stuff back with electrical tape to seal the bits that weren't airtight and some kind of clear epoxy spray all over. Some still had the old tags that people had written their names on.
do not buy things from china that can kill you if they fail
Easton Baker
>mfw Russia wants to give Estonia the Donbass treatment but larpers keep being all of the uniforms
Ayden Davis
fucking kek
Aiden Thompson
lol how exactly do these modern bio/chem agents just magically "bypass" a proper sealed suit and mask?
Logan Howard
>grandma threw away my dad's gp5
How much do they go for?
Caleb Ortiz
>Not wearing the IP5 scuba suit over a gas mask.
Cameron White
>tfw my $40 shipped M95 came in
The cover for the drinking port was missing but it doesn't effect it in any way. Either way I made a cover for it.
Adrian Foster
I got a bicycle handle, cut the end off and used a soldering iron to melt the end hole shut from the inside.
Adam Torres
can any soviet/russian mask be used with glasses.
Jaxson Perez
A replacement is hard as fuck to find
Jacob Young
thoughts on wearing a soviet gas mask 24/7 for general health improvements?
breathe the clean air.
Sebastian Jenkins
Noah Cox
Enjoy your asbestos.
Brayden Lee
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Oliver Martin
You do realise that activated charcoal and vynyl or rubber isnt magic right? Theres all sorts of modern chemicals that those things dont do jack shit to stop.
Zachary Myers
This guy was not CBRN-trained.
Jace Phillips
And this guy is retarded as well.
It doesn't matter how "modern" chemicals are. Adsorption be adsorption. To bypass adsorption filters, you need either a chemical that does not adsorb (read: is a very light gas) or stupidly high concentrations. The problem with stupidly high concentrations is self-evident, and light gasses have this nasty habit of dissolving endlessly in the entire volume they have, which happens to be the entire Earth's atmosphere.
Gabriel Martin
lol thats fucking stupid, do they seriously think russia couldnt reproduce their uniforms?
William Kelly
finally somebody with some fucking sense
Lucas King
literally dirt cheap, you can get the mask, filter, and bag for $10-15
that being said you shouldn't use the original filter
Grayson Peterson
Does anyone else have one of these beauties? Hungarian 67M training mask.
Levi Cruz
I'm not fucking talking about fallout though
This argument started with air freshener being inadaquate to test the seal on gas masks before you made the trash bag and paint respirator argument and now you're on this radiation tangent out of nowhere
I'm done feeding you (you)'s, you've had your fill
The ShMS/PRV-U and PMG masks sometimes can, as long as they're not oversized.
That's actually pretty fucking sweet. Yeah, it's a shame M/95 accessories have become rare all of a sudden. My partner supposedly has a canteen cap that works with the M/95 drinking devices and I might buy it off him. But I do hope M/95 canteens become common again someday.
I thought these were civil defense masks, did they use these for training? Anyways, most of the people who own them say they're not that comfortable and the plastic valve assemblies are horrible, but at least they look kinda neat.
Liam Campbell
I think it's more of an excuse to keep re-issuing used uniforms.
Grayson Kelly
I do. Mine is a little beat up though.
Kayden Davis
Civil defense, but mostly practice masks. It won't protect you from a strong fart. The actual gas masks were Soviet license.
Speaking of Soviet gas masks, the USSR had a condom brand named Product No. 2. Product No. 1 was a rubber gas mask produced at the same factory.
Carter Parker
bump
Landon Sanders
Ryder Cruz
Caleb Perez
Reporting in with a legit mask and filter that I carry everyday
Leo Jenkins
I find your choice of mask... vanilla.
Connor Turner
>gp4
>not vanilla
lol
Logan Brown
that's a shit mask desu
Christopher Stewart
Do gas masks actually expire? Scott M95 gas masks supposedly expire in 20 years.
Sebastian Mitchell
Logan Taylor
Gas yourself
John Edwards
Joshua Bennett
What kind of mask is that