Bump stock ban. Comment!!

I used this and added some of my own comments, thanks for posting it.
Comment submitted.

This is where rubber meets the road, if you care at all then tell them and put your name on it.

Bump for visibility. Why the fuck is this attracting less interest than state level proposals and that federal level AWB bill that has no chance of passing? Is it because drumpf is behind this?

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fuck off divide and conquer shill, this is a thread directly about upcoming gun control legislation.

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This, but I also included this at the end:

Furthermore, bump stocks are simply a mechanical solution for something that can be done by hand. You can "Bump fire" a rifle using nothing but your finger and the recoil of the firearm.

>nothing in this post is related to weapons
Outright false, you fucking kike

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In the possible results section they actually mention that you can use rubber bands and belt loops instead.
Because they know it's a feel good measure

CHILDREN

FEEL

I figure it would only be bump stocks, but binary triggers would be alright. Based on the image, it says "bump stock and related items, " but a binary trigger has no bumping action in it to simulate full auto.

Here's my comment

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>BANNING OR REGULATING THESE DEVICES WOULD NOT SAVES LIVES OR STOP CRIME, BUT WOULD NEEDLESSLY RESTRICT LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS: Bump firing (whether with a stock or not) is characterized by a drastic reduction in accuracy and reliability of the firearm. It relies on free movement of the firearm itself to cycle the next round, and forward pressure of the shooter's supporting hand, which reduces the range at which the shooter can be accurate. The recoil-operated nature of bump firing increases the likelihood of malfunction, because you can easily outrun the action. When this happens, the shooter must stop and clear the malfunction, which typically takes several seconds before you can resume firing. This requires practice to avoid, but even trained users experience this frequently.

>Vegas was a very unique and tragic event. It is highly debatable on what role bumpfiring played on worsening it, when you consider the downsides above. Regulating trivially-easy-to-make devices such as these only impacts law-abiding citizens. Especially when you consider the EXTREMELY broad ruling that the DOJ is attempting to make, devices that were not (and will not) be involved in crime will be regulated.

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> BUMP STOCKS DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF MACHINE GUN UNDER THE NFA: The Obama administration was correct when, in 2010, it determined that bump stocks did not convert semi-autos into fully automatic firearms. Federal law says, in part, that a machine gun is a weapon that can fire automatically more than one shot ... by a single function of the trigger. The definition includes ...any part designed and intended solely and exclusively ... for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun... (26 U.S.C. 5845(b)) According to this definition, a bump stock does not fall within this definition.

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>With a bump stock, each and every round is discharged as the result of an additional pull of the trigger. It is simply untrue that the bump stock assists the discharge of more than one round by a single function of the trigger -- no matter how fast the gun discharges rounds. One pull, one discharge. This is the classic textbook definition of a SEMI-automatic firearm. Further, forward pressure from the shooter's supporting hand is required to counteract the recoil impulse of the firearm.

>This proposing ruling is blatantly incorrect in its implication that a bumpstock requires only the pull of the trigger. Bump stocks are not machine guns, nor do they enable the shooter to get to the rate-of-fire, reliability, and accuracy that a real MG would provide. If the ATF were to illegitimately use a standard based on increasing the rate of fire to ban or regulate bump stocks, then what is to stop it from illegitimately holding that other rate-increasing devices -- like belt loops, sticks or fingers -- are machineguns as well? YouTube abounds with examples of people using these items to increase the rate of fire of their semi-autos.

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> ATF HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BAN OR REGULATE BUMP STOCKS. The ATF's statutory authority, contained at 6 U.S.C. 531, is very narrow. Nowhere does federal law give ATF the general authority to regulate the safety of firearms, accessories, or parts. This is important, because, if federal law did do this, then it could administratively ban semi-automatics, or handguns, or all guns. Constitutionally, the Second Amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Our rights are not privileges from the government that can be revoked or regulated at will. And regulating or banning bump stocks would serve as unconstitutional infringements.

Will at some point we be able to see all of the comments?
Does anyone know?

Good coment user

THREATENED

Lately they have been talking about banning all "rate increasing devices." Which is dangerous for obvious reasons.

I don't see how there is any difference between a bump stock and a shoestring.

There really isn't one. This is just a stupid feel good measure.

Stupid beta faggots who only shitpost on the internet and never do anything useful to actually defend their 2A rights. You are the reason why there's been a gradual degradation of 2A and why it will disappear in 10-15 years time.

shoelace....

He said while also commenting online and not doing anything?

Shoestrings are banned though.

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So their reasoning is because recoil is pushing your finger on the trigger causing a round to be fired every time makes a machine gun?

So they're trying to ban physics?

>initiate a continuous firing cycle with the single pull of the trigger.
uh, thats not how it works.

Make sure to smash that like ↓button, comment, and subscribe.

>precedence
precedent

but the recoil only resets the trigger.
you have to pull the gun forward to fire?
do they even know how it works.

jokes on you, im german and dont have any rights

no they dont know how it works and they dont care

So I'm not seeing any comments on it yet, is it cause it's not been up long, are they just not going to show them this time around or does it just take a while for them to show up?

>Is a MG because it results in continuous fire without further manipulation of the trigger other than a single trigger press.
While i think the NFA is gay desu they kinda do have a point here.

You seem to fail to understand what is a weapon or not. Technically the stripped frame of a gun is a weapon. Not the barrel, trigger, etc

The ATF is basically just adding the stock to the frame of the rifle and including both components as the weapon.

I can foresee Magpul going out of business after this. No one is going to pay $40 for an FFL transfer on a stock they bought online for $50. I highly doubt Magpul sells enough Pmags to make up for the loss of their entire main business model

Shoelaces are banned because the shoelace mechanically becomes the new trigger, which the operator of the firearm only needs to pull once to fire multiple rounds.

Its easy to work. A bump stock isnt illegal until it is attached to a rifle. A shoestring isnt illegal until you afix it to a rifle with a purpose. Same thing with all the other methods.

Its not illegal until you put it on a weapon. Technically a Lightening Link is a piece of bent metal... until you drop it in your AR

Because very few people give a shit about bumpstocks. Try taking one to the range and you will be asked to leave within seconds.

what did y'all put for your name and address? I just made one up because I'm not about to put my real name or address up on some ATF bullshit.

Congrats. You are the reason online comments are so easily disregarded and used against the "winner". Its the same reason the Libs lost their mind over Net Neutrality commenting when millions of comments were found to be fake

nogunz?

If you dont give accurate information its better to just not comment. Id prefer my comment and IP address not be part of a Congressional hearing on tens of millions of fake comments left during public comment periods

Congrats, you are just now finding out that there is no way to win. The time to fight back has come and long gone.

If you own a firearm your name is in half a dozen ATF databases anyway

Or stop being a paranoid asshat and comment with your real info. If an alphabet soup agency comes no-knocking for you in the middle of the night you did a whole lot more than leave a comment on proposed legislation.

Back in your grandmothers day public commenting was done in person and face to face. Stop trying to hide behind a screen and actually make a stand on something

For more explicit methods of """converting a firearm into full auto""", the ATF is likely to fuck you over on constructive intent.

So, yeah, they can't fuck you over for simply possessing a shoestring. But if you have a lightning link, even if it was separate from your firearm, you'd likely get fucked. If a bump stock is redefined as a device that can convert a semi-auto into a full-auto, you'd probably get fucked just the same way.

A LL is not illegal until it is attached to a firearm. Another good example, I can buy a 7inch AR barrel. I can own dozens of them legally. I can attach that to an upper and it is legal. The second I slide the take down bolt through without a tax stamp, I am fucked.

Magpul doesn't make slidefire stocks, ya dingus

why would magpul be effected at all?

They know exactly how it works. le god emperor is pushing this sloppily written bullshit on them.

Bump

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FUCK TRUMP AND FUCK THE NRA

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>There own estimates project the ban to cost ~300 million dollars to Mr. and Ms. Tax Payer over a 10 year period
federalregister.gov/d/2018-06292/p-110
Well thats getting mentioned in my comment...

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bump, faggots. this is important

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Bunch of slackers. No wonder gun rights are being eroded.

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LOL no comments someone start us off with a comment of SHALL

follow by the rest.

Comments are up now. 0ver 35000. Some are pretty funny, on guy just posted the 2nd amendment.

The fuck? It's telling me the comment period is closed.

you are likely looking at other peoples comments, those are closed
Try this here:
regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=ATF-2018-0001-35714

This is why I never cared for bump stocks and never added one to my collection. They're useless except as a novelty laugh at the range; I'd never choose to even leave one attached to a rifle I might need to use. They scare the shit out of lefties now that they know about them, primarily because some retard used one to spray as much random lead as possible; I'd rather they not know that in reality, anyone could do far more personnel damage WITHOUT the bump stock than with, in the vast majority of situations.
Now, if some idiot had a protected non-mobile position, virtually unlimited loaded mags, and a huge target rich environment, and little intention of aiming, I suppose it could present an advantage to said idiot in the same way that if I had five minutes to put as many holes in the broad side of a barn as possible, I might choose a bumpstock. If I were trying to shoot as many targets with any degree of accuracy as possible, however, I'd never choose a bumpstock. Nor would it be my choice if I didn't have a crate of loaded mags sitting beside me or I thought the targets might shoot back.
I guess a bumpstock fills some intermediate role between a regular rifle and an indiscriminate lobbing of pipe bombs.
I suppose if I were in a crowded mall and some guy came in with evil intent, I'd rather he have a bumpstock than plain old semiauto, because with a bumpstock he's going to send most of his rounds into the walls, ceiling, and floor before running out of ammo. If they presented an advantage, I would wonder why police departments and federal agencies haven't armed themselves with them instead of either choosing semi-autos or the full autos that they certainly could access at a much higher price. If there was a tactical advantage, they sure as hell would also have an economic advantage in choosing a bumpstock over a regular semi-auto. Then again, LEO's often make stupid decisions in equipment acquisition anyway.

Which is why so many people who know some basics about guns are letting it go. This is a tactical mistake in that it emboldens the leftists when they win an argument by default or forfeit without having to apply facts. The best weapon in defense of the 2nd Amendment is holding its detractors to facts; once you let that slide, you've opened a door you may not be able to shut again.

That blocked it too.

regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0001-35714

This link here also says cimments not accepted.

They closed the comments, fucking faggots. I guess the 36k comments in 1 day was too much to let the other 89 days go free.

me too
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Man, I spent like 2 hrs writing mine too. Oh well, i'll just save the word document for when then pull their heads out of the sand.

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hopefully that means we actually accomplished something

Every time I see bump stocks mentioned in media, the first and only thing that comes to my mind is
>NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN?!
>>NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN!

What a bunch of faggots

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Are they not legally required to leave comments open for 90 days?

I wrote a comment yesterday and checking the site on my phone it allows me to submit a comment. Maybe it's your ad blocking or javascript blocking add-ons.
Checking the site today, it says we have 89 days left, so yeah it looks like they are doing 90 days for commenting.

It looks like it's back up

They straight up said that they won't count your comment if you did that.

He's saying stocks will eventually have to be considered a firearm, like a lower receiver, for this to be upheld.

>The ATF is basically just adding the stock to the frame of the rifle and including both components as the weapon.
The fuck are you on about? They would just consider bumpstocks to be the same as lightning links/DIASes. They don't need to change the classification of every stock.

No they don't you fucking blueside democrat shill, bump firing with your finger is the same thing and it does nothing to the action of the firearm

youtube.com/watch?v=Amkc2w-hyTw
Some guidelines for commenting at around 3:00 in
Apparently profanity will get your comment discarded. This NEEDS to be made clear, as I'm sure k is getting creative in telling the ATF all the ways to fuck themselves.

Shut the fuck up fag it's like a drum magazine it might be stupid but we should all be able to buy one if we wanted to you ficking stupid little bitch. You're probably not even American.

The only comments I'm seeing are from the 14th, nothing newer. Looks like they just crammed all the old comments from the other proposals into this one as well?

Wait do shotties use bump stocks?

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I'm all for repealing the NFA but as long as it's there, bump stocks should be classified as illegal.

Why? You can bump fire without the stock. It's not a machine gun nor does it function like a machine gun. It's still one trigger pull and one cyclic action of the firearm.

lot of words to say you're a faggot who thinks they should decide what other people "get" to have.

The action of recoil causes repeated firing. The fact that it requires consistent pressure might mean you could argue it's no different than a Gatling gun but to me it's obviously meant perform full auto function as banned by the NFA. I don't understand why bump stocks were ever considered legal under the NFA. I mean fuck the NFA and all but if it's the law, then it's the law.

>fuck the nfa
wants to add more stuff to the nfa list

that's a special kind of stupid

>I don't understand why bump stocks were ever considered legal under the NFA.
It's because a machine gun, by strict definition (by the ATF, anyway) is a device that fires more than one round with a single pull of the trigger.

Technically, with a bump fire stock, you are pulling the trigger every single time. You are also providing all of the pressure necessary to pull the trigger (as the ATF had previously ruled against bump stocks that use springs to assist with this).

I have a hard time understanding how they intend to redefine bump stocks as a machine gun given their traditionally quite strict interpretation of what a machine gun is defined as.

You'd be surprised. It may sound strange, but there are a lot of gun owners out there that get a stiffy by doing things by the book and following the law to the T. They tend to be totally fine with our current set of laws, and welcome new laws for no reason other than that they get cathartic release from signing forms and other paperwork. I have an relative who really seems to enjoy doing NFA paperwork and going through the ATF for things. It is truly bewildering.

>but if it's the law, then it's the law.
Move to Europe, Australia or Canada. You bootlickers are not wanted here.

The way that statement is worded would not include binary triggers. It specifically says that the device specifically harnesses the recoil energy of the firearm. A binary trigger does not, therefore it is not covered by this ruling.

Surprising amount of bootlicking little quisling faggots here.

Anyone who is okay with this or supports the NRA or Trump needs to fuck off. Fuck you all. I kept saying this shit would happen fucking retards.

>>There own estimates project the ban to cost ~300 million dollars to Mr. and Ms. Tax Payer over a 10 year period
>cost ~300 million dollars to Mr. and Ms. Tax Payer over a 10 year period
I want to scream "HOW THE FUCK?!', but deep down I already know the answer.

People have been killed by alphabet agencies for a lot less than owning firearms. The CIA was created by Harry Truman who had heavy ties to the mafia (run by more than just Italians by the way, a lot of Jews and Irishmen as well).

That's not even the worst of it, there's so much wrong in this document, here I'll copy and paste my comment from an earlier thread--

I mean, there's no way they're going to pay people to sit and read through hundreds of thousands of comments. That being said, I'd recommend you still read through the ruling and write a reasoned argument, hell, they give you all the argument you need.
> Overall, ATF estimates that the total cost of this proposed rule would be $297.2 million over a 10-year period of future analysis. This cost includes the first-year cost to destroy all existing bump-stock-type devices, including unsellable inventory and opportunity cost of time.
>Opportunity alternatives. Based on public comments, individuals wishing to replicate the effects of bump-stock-type devices could also use rubber bands, belt loops, or otherwise train their trigger finger to fire more rapidly. To the extent that individuals are capable of doing so, this would be their alternative to using bump-stock-type devices.
>ATF estimates that there are 519,927 bump-stock-type devices already purchased by the public.
They are literally changing their "interpretation" of the rules and definitions they've already used to review bump-stocks.
>ATF letter rulings between 2008 and 2017, however, concluded that bump-stock-type devices that enable a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single function of the trigger by harnessing a combination of the recoil and the maintenance of pressure by the shooter do not fire “automatically.” Some of these rulings concluded that such devices were not machineguns because they did not “initiate[] an automatic firing cycle that continues until either the finger is released or the ammunition supply is exhausted,” without further defining the term “automatically.”
Just mention the cost of the ban, how it's unenforceable, and with

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