Poland PACs deal

>iskander

Patriot can handle stuff like that an ATACMs with the terminal glide and dive.

Either shoots them down when they're high, or when they're coming in.

Low flying cruise missiles with a small RCS are the problem for SAMs.

I'm not on the hype train of hypersonic kill vehicles.

They're HOT, so radar will always see them, and they have to fly higher than traditional cruise missiles due to air resistance down low.

If they're coming in, then software changes should all that is needed to hit them.

Of course, the shorter response time will make it difficult, but an automated system would work if you don't care about IFF problems and such.

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Super fast means predictable trajectories, the speed makes it harder to intercept, fast intercept missiler/projectiles Will rek fast moving cruise missiles

Low rcs is the way to go

"They're HOT, so radar will always see them, and they have to fly higher than traditional cruise missiles due to air resistance down low." SM-6 and thaads still use radars dont think infrared detection is that good yet.

"then software changes should all that is needed to hit them." what does software have to with something that is unpredictable?

"Super fast means predictable trajectories" Instead of making shit up how?

"Low rcs is the way to go" The Kinzhal appears smaller than a SRBM but yet in speeds in falls in the MRBMs range more than likely that is low RCS.

>muh Iskanders

Butthurt ruskies are so fucking hilarious.

This new Patriot is so useless Russian mofa just threw a tantrum and claimed Poland is destabilizing situation in Europe and threatening Russia.

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Anyone putting air defenses on near other peoples territories will piss them off. So in response a voronezh-sm in Crimea will make nice coverage especially poland being close.

The Patriot is a failed system.

Poland got duped into buying Jewish missiles while their own industry rots away and their relationship with Russia is strained with no benefits whatsoever.

Poland proves why it's a bad idea to be an Anglo-Zionist vassal state.

Same thing happened in the prelude to WW2.

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Well, Poland has become the new staging ground from which the American foreign legion known as NATO, will be used to menace the Russian frontier.

Why do you think Germany has literally transferred all of its Leopard 2 tanks to Poland for pennies, and defended it's military?

Because Pooland is the new battle ground, where cratered ruins will mark another ZIonist proxy war, like that one in Ukraine.

>what does software have to with something that is unpredictable?

Current systems are designed for a specific intercept speed.

If you throw in something 4 times the speed, you'll probably miss.

Otherwise, hypersonic isn't anything different than what's already there. You can only go about mach 3 down low, so for them to be effective, they have to be fairly high, which means you've got time to shoot at them -- they'll also bleed velocity as they approach the target due to lower altitude.

>"Low rcs is the way to go" The Kinzhal appears smaller than a SRBM but yet in speeds in falls in the MRBMs range more than likely that is low RCS.

Nah

As soon as you go supersonic, you light up like a Christmas tree on radar. Hypersonic is pretty much red hot on the surface.

Yes, stealth + subsonic + very low altitude is the best means of avoiding interception.

There's really no way to defend against such over land, especially when you've got multiple inbound.

>Russian frontier.

They're sovereign states that don't need Russian approval for anything they do. This includes joining multinational military organizations.

So why did America react when the sovereign state of Cuba started building missiles on its own soils?

Russia has nothing to fear from Poland unless they invade.

Hell, Russia could invade Ukraine proper and NATO wouldn't do shit.

Strategic nukes are a little different to SAMs, my man.

Current systems are designed for a specific intercept speed.......Which can be done with a predictable trajectory because your radar calculated where the interception will take place. but if it changes its trajectory a recalculation has to be made.

If you throw in something 4 times the speed, you'll probably miss." A british general called the iskander-m with a 2m accuracy and that is pretty great for a 6-7 times speed of sound

"Otherwise, hypersonic isn't anything different than what's already there" changing trajectories and being smaller in size, with low altitude is pretty different.

>Comparing ballistic nuclear missiles to SAMs
peak whataboutism, my dumb friend.

lighting up like a christmas does not mean you will be successful tracking or intercepting a high speed target. not once have I heard or seen infrared detection intercepting hypersonic missiles......But radars do that.

You're unaware of the bigger picture.

This entire impetus from the Zionist regime in the US to install missile defenses all across Eastern Europe is to use them and try to neutralize Russian ICBMs during their launch phase, thus disrupting MAD and destabilizing the entire world and bringing it to the brink of mass annihilation.

The (((Elites))) are playing a dangerous game and all your lives are at stake.

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Because that's what anyone would do if a military competitor sets up shop next door? Cuba was free to ask for Soviet assistance, they're their own country.

That's not even remotely an argument.

The US had a total shit fit and melt down, like an irascible little child, until the promised to get the fuck out of Turkey with their own missiles pointed at the USSR...

What goes around comes around you brainless little faggot.

Not that you can influence anything anyway. Your government is owned by Jews at every level.

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>changing trajectories and being smaller in size, with low altitude is pretty different.

Somewhat, but it's still a physical projectile that can be tracked.

When it's in the terminal phase, it's going to be slower and easier to hit. PD fires should shoot them down with a good percent as long as the shooters are ready.

Maneuvers at mid altitude and high speed (mach 10+) isn't impossible for a mach 3-5 interceptor. The faster something is, the greater its turning radius, which favors the slower missile on an intercept.

>Russian ICBMs during their launch phase

These are nowhere near the border and they fly over the north pole, not Europe. Also there are cruise missile equipped bombers, and SSBNs in the Russian inventory. You should really do the bare minimum when it comes to research.

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So how is instituting a naval blockade against an island nation remotely a proper reaction?

That should have been a declaration of war.

We are all lucky that the Soviets and Putin today, are actually more rational and civil than the deranged lunatics and Jewish extremists ruling America.

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Radars pick them up, user.

The hotter something is, the easier it is for radar to see. Hypersonic can't be hidden from radar (supersonic can't really either).

You have to go subsonic to avoid radar detection.

Most of these missile defenses like the patriot are not threat worthy. A-235 using ground voronezh radars with S-500 mobile systems will threaten EUs own security..........Even than lets pretend we have the ability to intercept all nukes, how can we stop nuclear AI torpedos?

>Cuba started building missiles on its own soils?
Cuba didn't build any missiles, and the missiles in question weren't SAMs.

The real reason Russia is butthurt about these missiles isn't the missiles, it's the advanced radars that will network with existing US early warning and tracking constellations.

If Russia uses strategic rocket forces to attack Poland, Russia is doomed whether or not Poland stops a single warhead (and yes, so is Poland). This is also why the US will never perform a first/Preventative strike on Best Korea, even if there's credible evidence that Best Korea has given the order to nuke our allies.

>These are nowhere near the border and they fly over the north pole

The US systems have significant depth into Russia, which neutralizes a good number of Russian launches.

Don't Russians aren't idiots, and neither are people who look at this in detail.

Don't come at me with those shitty excuses.

This is an attempt to break MAD, which is a dangerous and unhinged act, IMO.

>So how is instituting a naval blockade against an island nation remotely a proper reaction?

So now the reaction needs to be "proper"? Nations are free to act as they see fit.

>That should have been a declaration of war.

A war with who, the Soviets? The point was to have the missiles carted off the island, not launched.

>Most of these missile defenses like the patriot are not threat worthy.

While the patriot isn't, they can use substantially more capable missiles in the near future and easily retrofit the launchers, the AEGIS ashore in particular.

that can be tracked.... Apparently thats what guidance systems to but they would have to still re-calculate the missiles position to the point that it will be too late to intercept it or you will be wasting missiles.

(mach 10+) isn't impossible for a mach 3-5 interceptor. I dont see SM-6 missiles being low speed in intercepting MRBMs or IRBMs dont know if I should trust you there user.

>This is an attempt to break MAD, which is a dangerous and unhinged act, IMO.

Patriot won't be a problem for Rooskie ICBMs, my man. Range is too short.

AEGIS ships are, as they'll be able to intercept SLBMs if they're close enough.

>Cuba didn't build any missiles, and the missiles in question weren't SAMs.

That's none of your goddamn business whose property it was or what it was doing. Cuba has every right to aim a large middle finger at the US.

>The hotter something is, the easier it is for radar to see.
your mixing up IRST with radar.....IRST deals with infrared detection, radar deals with the size of objects......They are completely different user

2end amendment mother fucker, they can buy whatever guns they want.

>The US systems have significant depth into Russia, which neutralizes a good number of Russian launches.

You want to try and back that up?

>Don't Russians aren't idiots, and neither are people who look at this in detail.

They have a country with nearly every resource an industrial power needs and they still aren't even a true world power.

Ok, there's still the matter of AEGIS ashore.

And that's the whole purpose to this "missile defense" shield in Eastern Europe.

An attempt to break MAD, because that will give the Zionists the ability to enact Jewish ethnic hatreds against one of their oldest oppressors.

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Nope

The hotter something is, the bigger the radar return

It's something you don't hear of much for some reason, but it's important

>You want to try and back that up?

Well how about you scan the public materials on AEGIS ashore and the types of missiles it can work with? Let's start there.

Bad b8 m8. The Patriot was a fine choice when you look at the alternatives, and with the option of developing their own SAM on par with Patriot taking 10+ years, it's an even easier choice for them to make.

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"It's something you don't hear of much for some reason," Yes user you are wrong infrared and radar are not the same thing.

>They have a country with nearly every resource an industrial power needs and they still aren't even a true world power.

Communism resulted in extremely bad resource distribution and corruption. The Russians themselves are extremely brilliant but an oppressed people (since Ivan the Terrible I would say).

How many Third World shitholes maintain a sovereign space program, a constellation of independent navigational satellites, advanced radio-electronics industry, nuclear weaponry that is able to intimidate hyper-powers like the USA with a GDP that is 20x higher a defense budget that dwarfs all other countries combined?

I'd say the Russians are doing just fine given their shoe-string budget.

>This is an attempt to break MAD, which is a dangerous and unhinged act

Ok, got it. Breaking MAD is the vatnik talking point for this thread.

Breaking MAD. Sounds like the name of a TV show about a Russian science teacher. Had to quit his job because of his terminal alcoholism. But then one of his former students gets him involved in making high grade krokodil for the Russian mafia. Dunno, needs a little work but the basic premise is sound.

Are you actually pretending that the US strategy isn't disrupting the stability brought by Mutually Assured Destruction?

Because why else would the US withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2001, which was the basis of peace and limiting the risk of a nuclear conflict for nearly 30 years?

Don't play fucking games with me cunt, I assure you, I know the details much better than you.

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Daily reminder that patriot is nothing more than a pathetic joke.

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>why else would the US withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in 2001

To deal with the potential development of ballistic missiles by North Korea, Iran, and other actors.

>The US systems have significant depth into Russia, which neutralizes a good number of Russian launches.

Even though there are 2 more strategic rocket army groups in Russia apart from Moscow? I also don't believe there's a system with the range required to hit targets that far in Russia from Poland.

What are you talking about? Russians love Jews. It is illegal to question the holocaust in Russia.

Former Swedish territory

>icbm's fly over the north pole

yeah no not a single icbm that flies on the outer space takes into the account the great circle this only affect everything that fly inside the atmosphere

Get off social security boomer

tell us user the closest sm3 site on poland is 1100km away from russia
how an sm3 that can travel at mach 10 at its apogee will be able to hit an icbm that reaches mach 22 at its max Q? is usa using black magic on their missiles or some shit?

those sm3s are there to try and counter as many irbm and srbm as possible they arent able to interecept icbm's not by a long shot only a fool would think such a thing

I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded

do you even know how to calculate ballistic trajectories user?

not him but you must be retarded if you think a freefall stage will use the polar orbit in order to hit usa while having literally ZERO control

all icbm use circular orbit because they are simply too damn fast the only reason a missile will have to go to tha polar area is to hit some us subs or whatever else

Maybe Poland would cater to Russia if Russia would send TIGERS to Poland instead of heroin and AIDS