Precision rifle general

hopefully by shtf you really mean Shit Has Hit the Fan as in a Katrina or Syrian civil war type situation to where you could justify someone being a danger from that far away

because if you mean shtf as in "some shady looking guy came onto my property 700 yards away so I killed him because I could" I hope you have a lawyer with a lot of vowels in their name

Does anyone have recommendations for a nice bolt gun for longer range target shooting, maybe prs series matches, and possibly hunting chambered in 300 win mag between $1000 and $1600?

The mesa and mesa long range look nice but I doubt I'd be able to finger fuck one in person before buying. I also looked at the m48 nosler and happened to see multiple in person in cabelas but it just felt like a factory r700 to me though I'm sure it shoots great. I've also been wanting a cz 550 ultimate hunting rifle but am concerned about cz quality control and customer service.

I had also been interested in the seekins precision havak but the manners stock is the worst shade of green I have ever seen and it is also more than I want to spend.

Don't really want a chassis gun although if the Tikka tac a1 came in 300 win mag I'd definitely consider it. Sako 85 crossed my mind as well but seems very expensive for what you get, especially compared to Tikka.

Planning to get this as a present to myself to commemorate finishing grad school so I want it to be nice and nicer/more premium than a run of the mill Remington 700, Savage, Portuhue winchester m70, Tikka, etc.

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My new Tikka T3x in .308 should qualify as long range, I guess. Haven't taken it out past 100yds yet and that was without the can.
Don't know if I can do anything to it to improve accuracy. The T3x is bretty gud out of the box.

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Can you get away with stell rings on an ally rail? Am I getting memed on with all this therma expansion shit?

Fuck, Steel rings.

Maybe if it offsets the steel receiver the rail is screwed into... I've never really heard any shit about aluminum and steel other than corrosion issues...

The difference will be minimal/functionally impossible to notice unless you shoot the gun enough to get the receiver VERY hot.. at that point the barrel will probably be steamy enough to be stringing vertically anyway.. however we're talking about a generic rifle $300-500 with $20-40 rings.. if your scope and or rifle is worth more than $500 each then don't cheap out on the fucking rings.

Thermal expansion would happen for both materials, the only difference would be one would have a different rate than the other

And speaking of rings, what are some decent rings without spending >$100??

Badgers are well worth the money but if you don't want to spend over $100..
Midway has Seekins on sale for $99, EGWs are about the same, Nightforce has their standard duty for around $75..

Warne, Leupold, Burris all have options under $50 which are good to go too.

This is assuming you want them for a picatinny rail btw.

Keep saving and build your own (have a gunsmith put it together for you). $1300 is bottom of the barrel for LR glass alone.

Are you trying to tell a joke?

>1300 is bottom of the barrel for glass alone
T. 90's fudd who thinks .5 MOA groups are hotshit

In another thread someone reccomended Burris Signature rings, they have in insert that corrects fuckery so your scope lines up true. But if you buy really good (read: expensive) rings they will be true anyway.

Alternatively, lap ypur rings like you should in the first place?

>implying you own a 0.5 MOA rifle

I can't think of any in that price range off hand but if you want something nice in 300wm make sure you get it reamed for longer bullets like 210 ablr, 215 hybrid, and 212 eldx AND that it's a 1:9 twist rate. The older shorter bullets work great in normal rifles with a 1:10 but you won't get full performance out of the caliber unless you do and of course handload for it.

If it's your first rifle, get something in a lighter caliber to practice/compete with. You don't really see people using 300wm anymore for competition due to recoil and price that gets you little to no better performance to 6mm creed. Ideally, you want a heavy gun in a small caliber so you can trace your shot. 300wm is sex for long range big game hunting but it's best in a build dedicated to that type of thing.

Hey, protip. Savage makes .5 moa rifles for less than 800 bucks. Rip the dream, fudd.

I already have glass

This is my budget, I did think of a 5r r700 and getting a stock and trigger for it but I think I'd rather buy something built as it would feel more special to me

I built a howa 1500 in a mpa chassis. A couple of years ago. Great budget way to get in, i spent avout $2200 with glass. now i am saving to build a ARC switch barrel set up, with some great glass, looking to drop about $7000.

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I've seen quite a few savage rifles at my range and have rarely seen one that can consistently group even an inch. Tbh, I think people on the internet lie sometimes.

My best 5 shot. ( only at 100yds)

More normally i do 2x10 groups, and i range between .60 to .95 moa at 200.

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That's another concern o have with the cz, it is designed and has the accuracy guarantee for

is it the Howa set up? Nice user

2 x 10 i fucked myself on.

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Yes. Howa 1500 6.5cm with a #6 heavy varmint factory barrel

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>tfw you live an hour away from a 1600 yard range in jersey
>feelsgoodman

Can someone recommend a good scope for LRS for my Rem 700 AAC-SD? I want to move away from the BDC scope I currently have on it.
Also, I already have a KRG Bravo Chasis on the way and a Timney trigger installed, any other recommendations?

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My buddy has a Savage axis in .223 and that little piece of shit is sub .75 moa even though the stock is utter trash (the forend is not stable enough to hold, it is that flexible)

.308 if that matters

Nice build

Price range and preference toward ffp or sfp?

I find that believable, I've noticed the lighter recoiling the round the more accurate a lot of cheap guns are

>I hope you have a lawyer with a lot of vowels in their name

TIL you can get away with more crimes if your lawyer is named "Aaaaaaaaaaaa"

I'm really happy with the FFP Viper 3-15x44.

Price range lets say under $1000, but I'm flexible. I don't know what ffp or sfp is so I guess I have a lot to learn.

>longer range target shooting, maybe prs series matches, and possibly hunting chambered in 300 win mag

Depending on which PRS events this seems like it'd be hard to cover in a single rifle. 300 win mag is a lot of gun and you will not want to shoot it a lot. It's only good for the hunting aspect and that's if you're shooting fairly big game at really long distances. Also, hunting guns should nearly always be light and handy unless you exclusively shoot from a blind or stand. Even in that situation you'll benefit massively from shorter barrel. None of these qualities make a good target rifle.

>I want it to be nice and nicer/more premium than a run of the mill Remington 700, Savage, Portuhue winchester m70, Tikka, etc.

Your budget isn't there. Guys at my range are shooting absurdly well with slightly tweaked Savages and stock RPRs. Cheap guns are good now.

Personally I'd get a Howa action in 6 or 6.5 CM and put it in a Manners stock or KRG chassis for target shooting and PRS matches. You can shoot those all day.

Then in the future get a light, short barreled hunting rifle like a Tikka T3 Lite.

>he thinks his rail is going to get hot enough to matter

How many rounds are you planning on shooting?!

Savage makes .5 MOA rifles for like $400

This does belong here!!!
Everything in this post is related to weapons!
Keep it in !

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Bout to be gone for an hour, but I'll check back up. Also consider does it lean more for hunting or target? Not that going one way or the other isn't okay but you can get more ideal if you have a goal

First focal plane
>adjusting magnification doesn't interfere with moa/mil hashes spacing
>recticle gets fatter the higher zoom
>second focal plane
>recticle stays fine and precise
>spacing in between moa/mil hashes isn't correct unless on the correct magnification (normally max).

Most competition/military stick to ffp, most hunters prefer SFP. Either can work for either purpose. There's more toward the different niche but I'll try to come back later to give my input on those.

Mrad or MOA?

Yeah, but then the fudd would immediately knee jerk to
>POOLYMER
>ELL. OH. ELL.
>THATS FOR MATTEL ARM16 GUNS
While slowly pecking away at his IBM thinkcentre keyboard.

Im still reporting you, shitposter.

Thank you. I do hunt, but I don't necessarily plan on using this rifle much for hunting. I have a .270 with a simple duplex reticle for that.

Vortex pst gen 2, FFP of course. FFP is better than sfp for hunting and tactical. Sfp, IMO, is good for competition shooting where the distances are known.

As far as additional upgrades, one of those bolt knobs that go over the bolt. A scope level, vortex makes good ones, dont get the cheaper ones, just spend the 40 bucks if u do get one.

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Where the hell is a 1.5 km range in Jersey?

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Mrad, but i like to keep it mil/mil for classes.

I wonder how this compares to the swfa 3-15x

I'm used to harder recoiling rounds and loved shooting 8mm Mauser as a kid plus I'm a big guy. I'm intentionally wanting something with greater terminal ballistics than 308/6.5 CM because if I was going to get something chambered in that I'd rather take my chances with a gas gun.

My budget might not be big enough for GAP or McMillan custom guns but even the Seekins for example comes in around $1800 street price which I would go for if the stock didn't look like ass

Yeah his axis is absolute dog shit as far as fit and finish but it is somehow a tack driver

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FN SPR in .308

Trigger is pretty heavy but it breaks real crisp, on a SWFA SS 3-15 FFP mil-quad. Glass is decently clear, reticle kinda sucks...

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Go to Philly, the streets there stretch pretty far if youre high up enough

For teaching or for taking? If I have an MOA scope will I be at a disadvantage in a LRS class?

Of course I’m a dumb fuck and didn’t put the right picture

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The fit is fine, the finish is meh, does the job. They're given attention where its needed for reliability and accuracy and everything else is done as simply as possible. It's cheap for a reason. The stock is serviceable if a bit low on the comb, the trigger is great for the price, and the accuracy is there. I dont expect anything else from a budget fudd gun.

The final statement on an axis is this: if 1000 meters is your absolute upper limit and you dont feel like spending 2 grand to reach it, an axis 2 in .308 is a great option.

For learning.

You can use moa at most places, but higher end classes force you to use mil and specific calibers. Fyi the places i take classes from are not the average school houses. Rifles only texas, central virginia shooting, thunder ranch, storm mountain, etc. Aka the expensive classes. Normal local classes let you use whatever. These particular ones make you choose specific calibers and ammo.

Normal vortex glass is better than swfa. The only good swfa glass is their HD line, and thats nikon prostaff quality.

Whats the appeal of long range shooting? It always seems much more fun to do about 100 yards or less, is it just practice or do you actually find it fun?

Anyone have suggestions on the most accurate off the shelf rifle?

>100 yards or less
SPONGEBOY, ME BOB. Its a greater victory shooting at long range when you land the hit. Dumping 30 rounds through an ar and holding minute of bad guy doesnt give nearly the thrill as measuring your target, doing your maths, reading the wind like some kind of navajo medicine man, diddling your scope like the slut he is (dont judge me), and finally firing a single round only to hear a satisfying "plonk" a solid 4 seconds later. Its the difference between an action game and a puzzle game.

I bought a t3x tac a1 last week
It's shipping to me right now :3

Get a tc compass in 6.5cm for 250 bucks.

>tc compass

Knee grow why? I said best stock precision rifle.

I am assuming that will cost me somewhere around 1000 ish.

>1.5 moa
FOR WHAT PURPOSE?

That is dude. Sub moa guaranteed. Thats all that matters. Everything else is just looks and purpose.

1k before or after glass?

Christensen has absolutely shit policies.

If your gun shoots 1.5MOA with their recommended ammo they wont do shit.

?

For who?

Use better ammo, and shoot better.

Depends really on how much you're willing to spend. If you're thinking under 2,000, most people today go with Ruger Precision Rifle.
Under 900, you can get a Tikka T3 or Remington 700, but you're really asking a hot question. Over 2,000 and you'll probably have to special order it, but there are guys that spend a lot of time and money getting accurate rilfes to well-paying customers.

Weatherby Vanguard RC
.300WM
6.5-20 Zeiss Conquest

I really haven't shot this rifle enough, but it did put a moose face down in the mud at 366 meters a few years ago.

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Before glass

I was considering the Tikka Tac A1 and the Ruger PR . Ruger in 6mm, Tikka in 6.5

Still no idea though.

Shoo shoo bad shooter

I feel the exact opposite. Short range is boring. Handguns and ARs are just necessary tools.

Long range rifles and optics are very technical of course but long range shooting feels more like art.

I wouldn't buy one, there are other things I think I would rather have like the Ruger budget series just because the axis furniture was really that shitty. I do not deny at all though that it can shoot

>Doubt
I have the HD 3-9x and have been very happy with it
The SWFA scopes are also made in Japan while the vortex non-HD scopes get made in places like the phillipines, china, Indonesia, etc

This is not knocking the vortex or Nikon scopes, I think they're pretty clear as well

I don't know, I enjoy unloading mags from an AR at 600 yards on a gong round after round but yeah I get what you're saying.

I guess my point is I like shooting in general

Fucking jelly m8, which did you get? There was some deal with a case, bore snake, and extra mag from gun.deals, was it that?

Fuck I've wanted a tc encore or contender for long range for some reason that I cannot explain

It takes a lot more practice and money to shoot a long ways accurately. It's something few people can do consistently.

Honestly all I can do for you is point you in the right direction from there, I know my own wants and haven't looked deeply past them.

>Thank you. I do hunt, but I don't necessarily plan on using this rifle much for hunting

You can use either ffp or sfp to good effect. I don't get too worked up on sfp not being consistent throughout magnification since I personally only use the drop hashes on max magnification. If you're close enough for max magnification to be a hindrance then you're probably too close to need drop hashes. I don't think you could go wrong with ffp if you want to keep it standardized.

Do not get a 1 inch tube. 30mm and 34mm is good. 50mm lens is great but as low as 40mm can be acceptable. Make sure you get good mounts. Pay attention to weight. 30 power is going to be more than good enough for max magnification as long as 308 can reach, 10 power is a good minimum. Buy from a good brand name.

I got to leave for the day, good luck, hope some other anons can help you

Any more info on Christensen? Their option seems pretty appealing but if it's not good then I don't want to fuck around with it.

I'm reconsidering the Seekins Havak- I could always paint that fugly green stock

I've seen so many people shit on the RPR online that I have serious doubts about it. People say the accuracy is not great aka >1moa but I've not got one so this is all second hand.

>Any more info on Christensen?
The only info I have is anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt.

I worked in firearms retail for a number of years, and for part of the time I worked at an appointment based specialty store for rich as fuck Texans. British double rifles, Italian over/unders, guys who want a matched pair of sequentially serial'd M107's, that kind of thing.

I had one client who purchased a Christensen rifle for somewhere upwards of $4000. One of the very light weight, carbon wrapped barrel models. I don't remember the details of which model he bought or what it was chambered in, but I do remember it being a combination which SHOULD have been a great performer.

Now, the guy wasn't a highly skilled expert or anything, but he also wasn't a complete idiot. He had Swarovski glass on the rifle and was shooting exclusively Black Hills match ammo that he purchased from the store. Problem was, he couldn't get it to shoot better than about 1.5MOA off the bench. Obviously not acceptable from ANY $4000 rifle. So he brought it back in and we sent a request in to Christensen to ship the rifle back for inspection. They responded with a bunch of questions about how the rifle was set up, what ammo he was using, etc, so we wrote out a very detailed report on it and shipped it with the rifle, including the clients test targets and two of the ammo boxes (no ammo, just the boxes for their lot #'s).

After about two months, Christensen sent the same rifle back completely unaltered. The enclosed letter stated that their accuracy figures were for test conditions using their specific ammunition. They claimed that they had tested the rifle, there was nothing wrong with it, that it fell completely within their precision and guarantee guidelines, and that we needed to inform the client to use the proper ammunition. The included test target they shipped back had 3 patterns, ranging from 0.9-1.2 MOA.

Not exactly a stellar experience.

By the way, this is my only experience with Christensen other than finger fucking about 100 of their rifles over the years. They certainly look and feel nice, but I've never shot one myself.

So, not necessarily indicative of the company as a whole, but you asked.

>a paper thin barrel wrapped in graphite string isnt very stiff
Color me shocked.

Not something I would buy, but if you're shelling out $4k for something that's marketed as a precision rifle, it should perform.

Checked

This mirrors some of what I've read online especially regarding the carbon wrapped barrels. People seem to really heavily compare them negatively against proof research. The models I'm looking at are the regular stainless barrel models but the customer service and actual quality/performance is what makes me wonder.

The proof research carbon wrapped barrels are seemingly highly regarded

Also carbon fiber is stiff as fuck

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Howa guy here. I have the 3-15 swfa ffp on mine

View through my swfa at some deer around 320yds

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Why did WW2 rifles have wood covering pretty much the whole length of the barrel while hunting rifles do not?

Links for /PSG/
THREAD THEME
> youtube.com/watch?v=nz1cEO01LLc

> Group calc program.
ontargetshooting.com/

> Quick video brief with exercises on MIL ranging.
youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg

> Ballistic calc and chart.
jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

> Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice.
shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html

> MIL Relation intro with practical exercises.
youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg

> Data books.
scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

> Basic forum work.
youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms

> Glass basics.
youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M

Some guy that thinks he is a Dinosaur, Sawry.
> Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ
> Playlist.
youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ&list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn

> Math suggestions to get you on target.
millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

> Blank dope book.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing

> Pathsofglory likes this page & fuck you if you don't.
precisionrifleblog.com/
precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

> Baby's first lazer range finder.
amazon.com/dp/B01DS38XM2/

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optic?

My setup for now.
When LMT gets around to making another batch its getting a 6.5 creedmoor on it. The 147gr eld match projos are insane.

Probably putting a PRS on it

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Buy a mauser or mauser pattern rifle and a thousand rounds of ammo and go practice.

I think the WW2 rifles were protected by the extra wood where hunters wanted "sporterized" rifles that seem to save weight

Cheaper and better options exist grandpa

Working up some loads for my newly built AR10 built on a stag upper and lower.

Thinking 168gr SMK and starting at 40gr of H4895. T

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zeise of some sort.

Howa KRG Bravo in 6.5CM or Bergara HMR in 6.5CM? Leaning Howa KRG Bravo.

Howa