...But seriously

China annexes Siberia and then Russia nukes it into oblivion.

The overall winner is humanity as a whole.

Who their right mind wants Serbia? What important resources besides oil are out there?

China has a lot more population than natural resources.

Russia has a lot more natural resources than population.

Makes sense for China to want a consistent source of oil, minerals, and delicious liebensraum.

Lake Baikal is actually pretty important too. It's the world's largest source of fresh water.

No need to do that. China will just do what it is doing to Canada and australia. 100 million people is a rounding error in China . You flood the host country with immigrant and within 2-3 generations they become colonies to the greater Middle Kingdom prosperity sphere

You realize of course we are the only thing that keeps the two from fucking the world wholesale?

As always, its important to know why theyre going to war. Most likely, china would want russia's eastern ports as the middle of russia is essentially barren tundra. Most of russia's military strength is situated in the west but a significant portion of china's military strength is in china's northeast; closer to the russian ports. I could definitely see china coming out ahead in a situation like this given that china is pretty much already in good position to attack. Whereas russia would have to move a huge amount of resources and manpower across a great distance in order to defend. Im not taking into account of potential hostilities before the war starts either which, in that situation, could see russia already having a substantial force in the region prior to open hostilities, which would make the situation more complicated for china. I see china coming out ahead in a surprise attack but, if russia is allowed to build up, it could go either way.

Because different cultures and old grudges. Also Russians don't want to feel like they are subservient to anyone and neither does the US. Russia doesn't want to be like the childized NATO countries.

>but seriously
never gonna happen
Russia is already basically a sattelite country to China.
Chinese are heavily investing and building in Russia and large portions of Russia are being populated by Chinese people already

the only problem is that NATO is 99% Amerimutt military capability, with France and New Pakistan serving as subservient sidekcicks with little to offer in the way of military means.

If the Yanks and Vatniks joined forces, that would be quite the juggernaut.

They're probably among the least shitty things the world could deal with. I say we let them have their way with the rest of the world and just hole up in our own country. Then Russia and China get to police whatever third world shitholes they conquer, instead of us getting stuck with the job.

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Japan with the sneak attack.

> Russia doesn't want to be like the childized NATO countries.

Russia tried to join NATO twice.

>I believe everything the MSM tells me

>implying

what is it with you delusional and ineducable imbeciles who believe that China would defeat Russia because of the manpower disparity?

>I feed at the trough of the Hebrew-Clintonite narrative masquerading as news

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Better to understand the scenario of Chinese "300 nukes" policy to get a better picture. Its not that China can't build or maintain OVER 9000 nukes, but rather they chose not to to not escalate the situations in their region (japan/korea/india/pakistan/etc).

I have a very strong suspicion if other countries threat China with nukes, China can very easily pump up thousands of nukes per in a year or less given the enormous size of its economy/industrial might. If a war of nuke is seen as realistic threat, there will be no doubt they will increase their production.

However in any case, we should avoid the nuke approach and head for traditional warfare. Would china be able to defeat Russia in conventional warfare with aircrafts/navy/army? Possibly. Would Russia be? Nope.

In all doomsday scenario, both Russia/China pumps thousands of nukes at each other and they both annihilate 90% of their population.

That leaves Russia with 15m and China with 130M. China wins.

Naw...you see, they'd probably end up nuking us too. Because if anyone was correct about anything, Patton was in his description of them.

>willingly allying yourself with a poor, HIV-riddled nation where deception and destructive bravado are lauded to the point where you can fuck a guy to prove you're straight and getting blackout drunk at 10AM during the work week is acceptable behavior

>New Pakistan
I thought New Pakistan had decent marines and shit?

China doesn't trust its own military with nukes. They store all the pieces separately so no general gets any ideas.

>Xi Jinping will never claim the Mandate of Heaven, kicking off a civil war and a new Warlord era

Who'd stop him? They all love him.

Wait.. are you describing Russia or America?

t. been to both.

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Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I described Australia.

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Russia. They got VDV

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Funny story, I don't know if it will still work but China's old plan to defeat Russia was to equipment every solder with with the cheapest rifle they had. The solder would only have one mag. After he fired off his one mag he was to surrender to the Russians. Russian would not have enough resources to feed all Chinese or even watch them. As a added bonus the whole world would trun against Russia if they start killing POWs or killing anyone who surrender.

This, the Chinese lost to gook farmers with a military force in the area almost twice as large as America's

China would spank Russia like a Brazilian TS spanks a naughty dude, and then fuck it in the ass.

Russia is not even in the top 10 of military force projectors at this point, all it has are Spetz, janky undercover operators and propoganda plus some nukes that probably won't even make it out of the silos

The rest of the world

China is a joke of a fighting force, all they have are numbers, not quality. They would play dirty and definitely use CW/Biological weapons to gain the upper hand

That’d be a good strategy before missiles and drones were a thing.

>is a joke of a fighting force, all they have are numbers, not quality. They would play dirty and definitely use CW/Biological weapons to gain the upper hand
Which unironically sounds like Russia.

Except Russia doesn't have huge numbers in comparison to China, and Russia has a qualitative edge over China

It is not the 1990s anymore, Kamerad Red Ocktober

China is a fully developed first world nation that leads in technology innovation and manufacturing par none. We're not talking about millions of rat peasants in felt uniforms death charging across the field anymore.

stealth bombers, ICBMs, navy, cyber, you name it, they are not only inventing it they are building it. China is the new USA

Where the fuck do you think drones are designed and built?

Uzbekiukrain?

No. Guangdong and Shenzen manufacture 90% of the commercial drones out there.

Initial nuke strike from Russia would attempt to destroy most if not all of China's. With them only having 300 nukes and limited means of delivery, i'd be pretty confident that Russian anti-air would take care of most threats (there are those C-300 and a bunch more older and newer stuff).

It is worth taking into consideration, that they would have a hard time advancing over ground, unless they go through kazakhstan (like Hitler through belgium to france). It is even harder for russia - logistical nightmare on that side of siberia. And even more manpower challange to hold ground (if we are talking conventional).

If the goal is just subjugation, apart form nukes there is a kind of local yellowstone in china - some sort of dambs system that could cause a cataclismic flood with a right nuking.

To add up - russia could do enough damage in short time and defend itself from most /all stuff that china has to offer, but it would not be able to conquer and hold all that ground or displace China's government. They understand it and will not fuck with russia, unless the governement / control and coordination of military is nonexistent in the first place.

>This is what the Chinese actually believe

Plutonium, gold and diamonds, natural gas, lumber, drinking water, fertile land (soth siberia is not a frosen desert and is way more suitable than some of the continental china)

Are you faggots still Trump supporters after all the bullshit he's said about guns? KYS

read the bear vs the dragon.

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Fun fact,

SWVR transmissions associated with Perimetr pick up every time the chinese do an exercise.

that's fucking cheating you can't just add the US on one side

>China has the better economy and 10-times as much more manpower. It has like 300 nukes.

Needs proof and proof. Nuke no need for proofs.

>Russia also has a somewhat more experienced military and somewhat better military gear.
Proofs and proofs also. They seem to perform no better than the US over in Syria and get really pissy when we drag out the artillery. They don't have access to the best military gear and what they use hasn't been updated in a bit. I have no data on there body armor but I presume it is at least III+.

Derp this is about China and Russia.

Still...

I don't know the quality of Chinese body "armor". Experience is something Russian definitely has over China and I have yet to see China's equipment be really put to the test like the Russians and US does.

yeah, like all 1000 of them

The UK only has 1000 marines?

Since it is this thread, allow mw to present my personal humble theory. Over the last decade i observed an interesting political process in Russia, whereas multiple groups of opposing zealous interest are formed and nurtured by, what appears to be, state hands.

It is ultra-right movement, controlled by the FSB and, at the same time ethnic migration influx, supported by the official state. It is the same thing with traditionalists and LGBT movement, religious / non-religious and so on.

I also observed the new business-and political elite from the point of view of their end-goal. Fine - you are Vlad and you got yourself an oligarchi-dictatorship, bunch of relatively loyal cleptocrats and so on. You cant have it all forever. You, most likely, cant give it over to your kids. You acnt just retire - chances are, after Putin system will destabelise with different clans fighting for the central chair. Even if somehow DEMOCRACY OF THE PEOPLE emerges from that mess, most of the fromer rulers and tycoons will be subject to prosecution, fortunes sought and confiscated worldwide. They all need an exit strategy.

Most anticipated conflict is US vs China. And any one of those players would be happy to use Russian territory and resources (both oil and nukes) to get the upper hand.

So all thet Vlad and his guys are doing now is buffing his importance and holding the chair until US-China is imminent. He is also assesing the best buyer for his Enterprise Russia.

Whent time comes, conflict in society is ignited, crating an anarchy and the chosen buyer is invuted to secure the nuclear arsenal whil the elite is safely in exile. There is no new government to demand teir extradition and prosecution - there is a full on civil war and containment zones for plebs, limited-access suburbs for nesessary local staff militry bases handed over to the Buyer with all the arsenal and so on.

I think, the buyer is more likely to be China. They need it more (from any perspective).

Would quickly turn into a mass-graves-in-siberia scenario. And noone would know until later. And once they know - noone would give a shit about incect people. We are already countering this devilous plan by distributing all those nasty videos in rect threads)

Technology and knowing how to use it is a huge force multiplier. China has plains, but when was the last time it bombed anyone? Same for nukes,navy and so on. There is a reason russia is in Syiria now - they are battle-testing everything they have.

He talks of bodyarmor. How retarded are you? How old? Ok. Given the best armor imaginable and double the US troops, how would you HOLD / OCCUPY a huge mass of land (large portions - mountainous desert) with the population of over a billion (of heartless mean savages that is)?

Same goes for russia (minus population trouble plus climate and logistics nighmare). in the struggle US vs China VS Russia there is no human landholding solution. Total distruction or an army of drones in the sky.

cont.

China (as it has been mentioned eralier) already ahs a lrge occupying force in Russia. Near the border it has whole gost cities. You know - one child per family - others are undocumented, literally nonexisting persons - there are more than a 100 000 000 of them.

Strategically, if we try to sell-out to US, even uninterveined occupation wil take a lot of time, resource and organisation. it will spark-off the imminent US - China conflict, While chinese can perform some of the conscented-to overtaking relatively fast and unnoticed. Hell, the guys in the nuclear subs might not even know who presses the buttons and orders a strike on US. US will retaliate to Russia. It's just a hell of a plan)

And don't you start with Vlad's national KGB pride, saving of the race and other bullshit. Not unless you've lived here for at least 20 years of relatively concious life)

R.I.P Mongolia

as an American I really want to watch a major war that doesn't involve my flag

Don't you always) We both know, once the loser is identified and crippled, you will not miss your chance to swim over and sucker-kick him in the head.

>1400 million

you mean 1.4 billion?

One epic cavalry battle and tree-days tank ride.

American, are you?

what are you talking about, americas oldest allegiance is with a nigger country

I could post shitloads of pics from chink ghettos showing people using gutter oil as well, whats your fucking point faggot?

>it is shiny and brite lite so it is gud
are you actually mentally retarded?

no

does your country have thousands of millions and then billions?
what the fuck

Yeah, apart form that time when you plundered us after revolution, spied on us after WW2, fought ideological war on our turf and conventional wars with almost every socialist regime we've supported.

A the saying goes in Russia: "When you have such allies, you do not really require any enemies".

That you seem to be oblivious of the fact that 1400 million and 1.4 billion is actually the same number?

Ivan, it is much easier to compary millions to millions, is it not?

China = far better economy, better logistics, better manpower, more stable regime. Increasingly better weapons if not already superior

first you accuse me of being american and now you accuse me of being russian?

im neither

>that time when you

im not american you dumb cunt, i never claimed to be

what?

soory dude, responded to wrong post)

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That soonded turrifically Australian. Fock off, wonker! This shitposting duty is mine.

I think that they may be inferring that due to the cultural euphemism of referring to the first set of thousands like 11-hundred, 12-hundred, not
I think they're inferring that there are so many billionaires that it makes more

You'll get your wish soon. The American Empire is cracking.

>the top 10 of military force projectors
They have a common land border and do not need to project anything

China and Russia is much like allies today, so it is like US vs all NATO countries war.

Russia presses the button and deactivates all chinese shit

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Are you stupid?

I would support Russia over China to be honest. There are a few reasons why. Primary one is, is that it would piss off the liberals and Dems.

I would too, primary reason being that the Russians are less of an economic threat to us.

Just don't call him an american - it pisses him off. He is very disciplined, this fella. Believes in order of things. Probably a chink.

Both are just terrible accusations. How will you live now, i wonder....

Frankly, i do not give a damn)

I' as a russian, would also prefer US as an ally. I already speak some engrish. Moreover, being a regular, unpriviledged russian, a am already a asecond-class citizen. With the chineese in picture l'll be fifth)

that's the best part dude

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>China has the better economy
>Needs proof and proof

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No, you are getting it wrong - observing the latter butthurt is even better)

I wouldn't mind being friends with Russia. We should have buddied up to you in the 90s when you got your first taste of freedom. China would be in deep shit right now if they faced America with a friendly Russia.

Of course our MIC wouldn't have gotten so many gibs if we didn't keep pretending that Russia was an existential threat (which was never really true in the first place).

Would have been great indeed. The way i see it - that is how the early 90s were. The whole wide world could not believe that the USSR is gone. Many now-russians felt liberated. You now speak of it as of a liberation.

I do not know if it was like this then, or became so in a short while, but this liberation and partnership apparently turned into a relationship of a victor and a looser - as if we were Japan or Germany after ww2, defeated. And, as i see it, we could have been better partners now (or in the neares future), if we would have dragged through losers humiliation like they did.

Instead of it we now have a post-weimar republik with talk of external enemy, betrayed people, rising pride and old imperial honor, eternal holy mission of the slav people - just too many similarities to note.

This situation is being grown, like it has grown pre-WW2. You would agree that Hitler was not just a local prodigy. Many events and actions of various countries and groups aligned to create that happening. Some shit's looming.