Why aren't we seeing the same amount of lunacy from vets of the Iraq/Afghan wars as we did with 'Nam?

because arabs can't fight wars.

real reasons?

Better trained
Better acclimated
Some attempt at actually helping with PTSD
Actual jobs in gov center that have some connection to the military

Also lack of reporting, Nobody like to talk about dead vets, we had 20 something guys in the army side of my state's guard off themselves last year, not a single fucking word news wise.

It's not as bad as nam was, but it's there, yet nobody outside of the military circles wants to talk about it, because they will have to face the fact that we are facing an unyielding hateful ideology that will have to be fought for the next century with great sacrifice to preserve western classical liberal values.

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It's OK, the kikes, communists, and other leftist scum just switched to making cops the targets of their un-american antics.

The father of My history teacher in high school was insulted by these protestors as a baby killer.

He stood them up and explained how he was a medic.

Vietnam war was a pretty shitty war to be a US soldier in. Hell, I got PTSD from that war just by learning about it.

>It's not as bad as nam was, but it's there, yet nobody outside of the military circles wants to talk about it, because they will have to face the fact that we are facing an unyielding hateful ideology that will have to be fought for the next century with great sacrifice to preserve western classical liberal values.

This. Also, the fact that at least with Vietnam we had a solid enough argument about why we went there in stopping the spread of communism, at least at 1st, and after how quickly Korea was over I think that the US military honestly believed that Vietnam would be over by 1968 and that if they knew how it was going to end up they never would have went there in the 1st place.

Iraq and Afghanistan, OTOH are places that we never should have been in the first and you won't ever have the media asking "one, two, three, what are we fighting for?" about the 21st century Middle East wars because of the answer: Israel.

It's the same reason why the suicides and PTSD get downplayed, because of what might happen if the lay public learns that it all happened because some senators were paid off to send Tyler, Paul, and Mark to get blown up and fucked up so that Yael, Benji, and Avi in the IDF could sit around running drills while the disposable goyim do their dirty work.

It has more to do with desensitization to violence than anything.

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>Is Charlie a much better fighter than Hajji?
Yes.

>Why aren't we seeing the same amount of lunacy from vets of the Iraq/Afghan wars as we did with 'Nam?
There are no predators in the desert.

They also strapped kids with explosives and sent them into med camps. My grandfather was a Coreman and saw his bud get blown up by the nephew of a woman they served on humanitarian (hearts and minds shit) mission a week afterward.

>a solid enough argument about why we went there in stopping the spread of communism

this is such bullshit...

recent studies are starting to push the idea that PTSD isnt caused so much by fear but by shame, we are treating afghanistan/iraq war veterans far better than we treated vietnam veterans who for all intents and purposes were abandoned with their physical and mental wounds, which of course also led to drug use

iraq/afghanistan has had plenty of casualties and ptsd victims and suicide is an epidemic but we've managed to keep them relatively supported for now in comparison to vietnam

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Not really. One of the main goals of the communists back then was global communism.

it has nothing to do with jews, but wahhabism, if oil was never bought from the saudis post WWI (not WWII) due to the infrastructure lost, the ultra-conservative arm of islam would not have been able to fund mosques all over the world.

The issue with islam has nothing to do with jews and everything to do with islam, and if we weren't drag in over a decade and a half ago because of 9/11, we'd be drawn in thanks to syria, egypt, and a fresh iraqi uprising that would have happened anywhere from 2008-2012 today.

"War like death is inevitable, it can only be delayed, but will come none the less"

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what business is it of ours how some bumfuck gooks on the other side of the planet run their own government? it's none of our goddamned business.

because communism (or any collectivist idealogy) can not exist in a globally individualist society. Those that decent must be removed because they will always be in contrast to what the "representatives" of the commune deem is best.

Actually read Marx and take it to it's logical conclusion, and you will see why communism is unfortunately, an ideology that must be met with force as soon as reasonable with in principle, as it can not co-exist with individual rights as laid by the period of english enlightenment

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Look up a PBS documentary called The Wounded Platoon

>Vietnam becomes communist
>invades communist Cambodia, which causes it to be invaded by communist China
>communist Vietnam is currently looking for US military bases to support them against communist China

Monolithic communism has been discredited since Nixon opened relations with China.

You're literally spouting fifties memes.

pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/woundedplatoon/

The news goes out of their way to not report suicides because of contagion.

If we could get them to do the same thing for mass shootings this board would be about a million times nicer.

again, why it our problem if other nations want to dabble in communism? don't talk to me like i'm an idiot. i hate that more than anything.

It was done in the first world war to fend off looters

>there are no predators in the desert

Actually there are plenty, they're just on our side this time.

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Simply compare the casualty count. Also, I'm sure we have at least slightly better support for vets now than we did then.

Played Cod modern warfare on vetern.

That's still a goal of communists now, the threat didn't go away, just went under the radar.

Because a shitload more US soldiers fought in Vietnam and many were drafted. You have a much larger sample size of men, many of whom never wanted to be infantrymen. Over 58,000 US servicemen died in Vietnam, while fewer than 7000 US servicemen have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Also most are relatively respectful of returning veterans, unlike the fucking boomers who spit on Vietnam vets and called them babykillers.

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Respect is a lot of it.
Vietnam vets didn't want to get drafted, didn't want to serve, got fucked over constantly, got treated like the worst criminals when they got back.
Mid East, volunteer, treated a hell of a lot better.

youtu.be/uAE6Il6OTcs

The real question is: Why have we been at war in the middle east for 15+ years now and we *STILL* haven't gotten any good music out of it, to this day???

Vietnam gave us Creedence Clearwater Revival and Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, but all Iraq, etc has given us is Cardi B.

? Then try some reading comprehension user... If you can't into that, there's a podcast on the cold war , just search for " wondry cold war" and listen to that, it explains why we intervened

Another reason to blame france and britain

Nixon literally didn't go to China until a year after we started pulling troops from Nam.

youtube.com/watch?v=BwTDxnAOM80

It exists, you just gotta look harder now

>Why aren't we seeing the same amount of lunacy from vets of the Iraq/Afghan wars as we did with 'Nam?
Way fewer Operation Iraqi Freedom vets than Vietnam War vets -- 200,000 vs 2.7 million

You don't "disarm" IEDs, you detonate them from a safe distance at best. Keep in mind that when IEDs popped up en masse, they were a huge threat and killed and maimed a lot of soldiers. Even years later, it's still mostly a guessing game to try and find them before they find you.
Several factors, but the main one being that we understand PTSD much better than we used to and treatment is miles beyond what it used to be.

most people unironically have lesser taste in music now.

Volunteer vs draftee

WW2 had the grenade under a surrendering jap. Japanese did every form of dishonorable trap.

It’s just harder to find as there isn’t a massive anti war movement using music for protest.

youtu.be/HdV32gjz6-s

Hard to feel much sympathy for cops when they're the ones protecting them.

>drones don't use that new whisper gun to hiss "anytime" in hajjis ear before dropping a hellfire on his head

Feels bad

This

>Are communist east asians better at guerilla warfare than muslim dune coons?

Well, the communists had a lot more funding and logistical support when comparing them to the various sectarian Islamic extremist groups throughout the middle east. It was bad, and it was accomplished via a communist system but it was still lethal. They had a lot more men as well (if were just looking at american numbers and not south vietnams pile of garbage), someone might know for sure. I believe the communists in Vietnam numbered 860,000, quite possibly more.

Also this sadly
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>WW2 had the grenade under a surrendering jap. Japanese did every form of dishonorable trap.

From Japanese point of view, the ones surrendering to the enemy were without honor

Nam was still very much fought as attrition warfare. The gubment wanted to bleed out commies, so they just dumped men and money into the battle. By the end of the war the US government spent $400,000 for every guerrilla fighter killed. Men were constantly swapped in and out so a sense of brotherhood was never made among troops. Imagine you're 19, can't afford college so you get drafted. forced to deal with tropical heat, kill for a government you probably don't care about, to help out country the french fucked up. Sergeants getting killed by pissed off draftees, men getting killed by spike traps. Or just living with the fact that you accidentally killed a family you thought were insurgents, or becoming a double veteran, a nickname coined for those that raped local girls. Contrast that with desert urban fighting, with Subway and Starbucks on base. Thermal and night vision, overwatch vehicles, and that every service man volunteered to serve.
This question is a perfect level retarded to know that it's not bait OP is just a fag. Or in the Army

Have to agree with this one. If you feed the hand that bites you, you just have bad judgement period.

was about to post this

Because a lot less got killed.

Although vets still chimp out and kill cops and va workers from time to time.

America is surprisingly good at waging lots of little wars now. Literally only 2 american soldiers have died from combat in 3 months of 2018 and we have troops in like 149 countries publically.

Because in nam the environment was just as deadly as the bullets, the desert doesn't have all that crazy shit.

Vietnam had draftees, also a lot of people drafted were drafted from prison, in exchange for erasing their sentence.

A lot more shitty people took part, and a lot more worthless people took part, there were higher US casualties, and more war crimes.

Lots of people forget and conflate the North Vietnamese Army with the Vietcong.

The Vietcong was a guerilla force, and they really weren't that hard for US forces to fight, while the NVA were a real army, and actually fought pretty hard. Not always quite as dirty as the Vietcong, perhaps, but they were hardly useless.
The US would stomp the NVA pretty damn hard too, and would probably have won if they hadn't pulled out.

Thank you for your cervix

Charlie was way better than haji, speaking from an outside perspective. It's the difference between "there might be an IED along the road" "i shot a kid" and "the trees are all VC waiting to torture us again" "I wiped out a village with a flamethrower"

Ive met a few fucked up iraq vets

Lol yeah sure, the desert is a very habitable place with friendly creatures such as the camel spider, and the couple different species of vipers. While it's true that Iraq and Afghanistan don't have as much things that want to kill you as the jungles of South East Asia, it's not the reason while you don't see many 'you weren't there brother' vets from our current wars. Especially since they are also deployed to many various countries across the dark continent, which has far bigger and more deadly local fauna. The main reason is most troops operate from giant FOBs which are safe as fuck, relatively speaking, then the fire bases of 'nam or remote outposts in the jungle/hills where you can't see for miles and miles. Also how much of the deployed force was conscripted back in those wars versus our professional army of now? I'd wager that, and to a slight degree, modern counseling services offered to troops nowadays helps cut down on the 'muh ptsd'

And sneak attacks in the middle of the night where Charlie came in and slit your buddies throats, OIF/OEF hasn't had hadji doing that shit.

They have actually, to a lesser extent, but still. And it's almost always a green on blue attack. So guys you're supposed to be fighting alongside end up waxing you and your buddies while on a mountain top op/lp while you take shifts sleeping

True, Charlie got fucking sneaky and they had a lot of foliage to hide in, while Achmed isn't that subtle, and doesn't have that much to hide in.

There are definitely fucked up Iraq/Afghanistan vets (and on an unrelated note search up Gulf War Syndrome) but the difference between them and 'Nam is that way back when instead of getting their dicks sucked with "tank u für cervix" tattoos they got called baby killers, shat on by almost everyone, and got really into drugs. Also a good chunk of the fighting was done between 2001 and 3 to around 2005-2010, and the most that's been going on is shit like patrolling the region and just being there as opposed to all of the 60s being a clusterfuck. Also I'd rather fight in a flat mountainous desert region than a thick humid jungle which is pretty much guerilla central. The Vietnamese were a lot more competent too, just look at how bad Saddam's million man army got roflstomped in around a month or so.

This is the correct answer. There’s just as many PTSD cases from the Middle East wars for Israel as there was from Vietnam. The only difference is the Jewish media was opposed to Vietnam where as they are all for the wars in the Middle East which benefit them.

You have to understand the US was borderline uncontested shortly after WW2, and after the Czechslovak Communist Coup everyone got really worried about it, so the US took a way more proactive version of monitoring its own sphere of influence (hence Operation Condor), and they realized they couldn't abandon it to its fate like with the Chinese Civil War, which was now really starting to show the issues of doing so.

You have to remember how impactful it is to have allies on your side. Vietnam is in right beneath China and monitors an entrance of the South China Sea, while Korea is a peninsula that can monitor Vladivostok and the northern posts of China. If shit was to go down, having that would be a major advantage.

The US forgot to how to think like a superpower, plain and simple. If you can get a thorn on the enemy's side, you do get it, because that means they will have something to worry about.

>it has nothing to do with jews

Like anyone actually believes this. JIDF is out in full force today.

>nothing to do with jews
It has everything to do with Jews, the only reason why we're even in the Middle East is for opioids and Israel. You really think a bunch of borderline retarded inbred Tusken Raiders are that much of a threat to the US? Had it not been for Israel the Middle East would be an entirely different place.

It's pretty simple - Jordan and Egypt, the two most worrisome fronts, are contained, and they can handle their own against immediate threats. Iran's hated by nearly everyone around then, and Afghanistan's far away and not in Israeli plans. In short, there isn't one single reason for it to have to do with the Jews, while all signs point to the Saudis.

Hehehhe good goy. Don’t look out for the collectivist interests of your race, were all just individuals, blacks are just the same as (((me))) and you.

A fraction of the casualties. Far less exposure to chemical shit like Agent Orange, etc.

Nearly 60,000 men died in Vietnam with more than 300,000 injured over the 20 year course of the war.

Iraq and Afghanistan have seen less than 7,000 deaths, including "non-hostile" incidents, and around 45,000 injured since 2001.

This image always bothers me because he has an A2.

I think jews are a fairytale, I've never met one.

Collectivism is for literal faggots, it's never not at the expense of the individual, while giving the collective absolutely awful returns.

Go die in a hole.

Yeah, and I think it's a toy one at that.

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58,000 American deaths in Vietnam vs. 2,300 in Afghanistan and 4,500 in Iraq. Kicking down sandcastles in the middle east was a walk in the park compared to shooting gooks in Vietnam.

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Do some research into how people rotated in and out. Individual rotation policy is a good search term.

Basically, unit cohesion and morale has a protective effect on PTSD/BattleFatigue/Whateverthefuckourgrandkidswillcallit and in Vietnam we couldn't have fucked that up worse if we had tried.

It's a combination of both of your guesses together with some other factors, such as:
>lots of drugs for everyone
There's a reason nam vets smoke a lot of pot and are often opiate addicts
>the draft
Imagine being a young man, thinking about proposing to your girlfriend, you just landed a job too, and then BAM, you're fighting war that has nothing to do with protecting your freedom or your family, knowing that you could die from your feet rotting away in a feces covered pungi stick trap. It's no coincidence that many officers were fragged for those same reasons.

The CIA was involved in assassinating the last Vietnamese monarch who was fighting off the communists before the US stepped in. Just like every kike perversion of traditional societies across Europe, Asia, and the Middle East, the Vietnam War was a US made problem, just like the many other communist and Jihadist groups that got early support from America.

Better mental health treatment.
The war has gone a lot better for us.
Better transitioning services to civilian life.
National identity isn’t as fragmented.
Volunteer forces.

And quite frankly just not that many people see combat in war now. Friends from 3CR just got back from Afghanistan and said they were security on a base for 9 months. Another pal also came from there and said he kicked in a sum total of 10 doors the whole 9 months.

>Found the American hating weeb giving it all for yellow pussy.

Exactly why they got The Bombs.

Because we had internet, laptops full full of porn, xbox, ps4 guitar hero, massive chow halls, gyms, and daily showers.