So I don't like guns but I want to get an effective weapon for home defense. What's the next best thing? Taser...

Explosives.

So what do you think happens if one starts and you dont alreafy have one?

A flamethrower?

>Kleck estimates that an assailant or the defender actually fired a handgun in nearly half the cases. If so, 322,000 incidents each year involved great danger, and the potential victims credited their guns with protecting them. That is about ten times the number who die from guns annually in the U.S.
In reality a taser is just not effective. The idea that you'd let someone within a close enough range who obviously meant to do you harm is just silly.
Tasers aren't effective. What usually happens is they don't find purchase properly or are a passing thing. It's not like in video games and movies were a taser knocks someone out.

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OC spray while more effective usually results in the user and those around them also being effected; not to mention their use in a closed area like building or vehicle etc.

If you feel like your life is in danger I suppose carry a knife but know that you're more likely to have that taken from you and used against you than a firearm. I think it's also marginally more common; around 20 times more likely to be stabbed.
But of course at that point if someones already in your face and you're drawing a knife/taser/oc/gun it's probably too late and you're about to get your shit rocked.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

Caselman air machinegun, probably?

A really big airshit toy

Wouldn't air pressure still count as pneumatic discharge of projectiles tho?

>waaaa everyone must like the same thing I like
lol for a bunch of wannabe hardened fags you sure are crybabies

lube so when you get buttfucked by tyrone it goes in with less damage

>waaaaah people are criticising my irrational hatred of firearms on a board dedicated to the discussion of weapons that is especially renown for firearms discourse
Neck yourself, Brockgobbler.

>Weapons
>not just guns

you're the one whose irrational here. no wonder you need a gun.

an anus dilator

will stop 90% of sphincter damage if used properly before you’re buttraped

Just leave

Nope.

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Your either a newfag or one of those purge the scourge faggots trying to shit up the board. Either way you ought to fuck off. You don't have the will to defend yourself against violence.

Defensive preparations are all contingency measures you fucking faggot. Just get a gun.

get a rapex and stick it in your vagoo then you fag

practice with pepper spray AND taser. get a taser pulse and counter assault pepper spray

Maverick 88, it's cheap, it's a damn good gun, and you can load it with beanbag shot if you're down with that pussy shit.

bucket of river rocks

Katana.

>Whose

Nothing irrational about defending yourself with the best tool available. Take it seriously or you're just larping and might as well get a sword.

t. board of education

A flamethrower

>Unless your country is in a revolutionary war.
It's coming and your fairy ass will be tossed out of a blackhawk, antifa scum.

>doesnt like guns
>on Jow Forums

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>I don't like guns
dumb fucking faggot

So what exactly is your gameplan when 4 or 5 guy decide to stage a home invasion one night, come into your house, bind and gag your wife and kids, rape your wife and daughters in front of you, and then burn the house down afterwards?

You're gonna taze all of them as they come through the door?

>So I don't like guns
Ew get away from me user, I don't want to catch your homosexuality

Don't forget the bottle of lube for when they shove it up your ass because you were too pussy to get a gun.

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lmao knifefags and karatefags eternally BTFO

A sword, an arming sword, or a gladius. Not a katana. Katana's are gay.

It's the next best thing after a shotgun, handgun or smol carbine.

If you live in a country where guns are readily available, either legally or illegally, you need to get a gun to protect yourself. Because they will have a gun. It doesn't matter if you're HEMA master supreme and in the best shape of your life. You might do a little bit of damage, but it will take them a lot less time and effort to do damage to you, and god forbid you get shot in the head/neck/lungs/heart/throat. Unless you have a set of comprehensive body armor, and a ballistics shield rated for high calibers, don't use a sword in a gun fight.

spear dipped in your own shit

Bomb belt, no one is gonna fuck with you if you threaten to level the whole house.
MAD works.

A condom.

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>Unless you have a set of comprehensive body armor, and a ballistics shield rated for high calibers, don't use a sword in a gun fight.

Even then I'll take the gun. "comprehensive" doesn't cover everything, and they're generally not rated for repeated hits (Like you're probably going to take if you're trying to get into sword range)

>be me
>former infantry
>in hood with friend on business
>niggles jump us
>they use tazers & mace
>friend goes down
>not me
>mild discomfort
>vision temporarily compromised
>standing unphased
>stab one niggle deep with my knife
>right in the kidney
>pull it out
>wave bloody blade in front of his fish-eyed face
>niggles run the fuck away
>barely able to keep one eye open
>manage to watch them run
>high contrast red stain forming on suck niggle's white t-shirt
>go home
>shower for an hour while listening to paul simon
>spend next month idly searching the hood for deez niggles so i can finish the job
>a good hunter never abandons a wounded animal
>find out my niggle friends in the local cripp chapter finished the job for me
>fresh knife wound was compelling evidence at their kangaroo trial

Mace simply doesn't work on determined combatants.

You can dislike firearms and that's fine, but if you tell people they don't need a gun, then we have a problem.

>lol got off topic
See how shitty tazers are? It didn't even warrant more than a passing mention in that story. In the army, we literally had drunken parties wherein we'd recreationally hit each other with an ANGRY-sounding 750,000 Volt State Police tazer, and there wasn't any fish flopping unless you got the guy down and really drilled on him for a moment.

I will fucking LAUGH if someone tries to take me again.

>doesn’t like guns
>on Jow Forums
Protect all of humanity by shoving one of these bad boys in your girlfriend’s uterus next time you try to breed.

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>I don't like guns

Crooks do, though. Good luck defending against them when they have guns and you don't.

Obviously meant for

if you're serious about defending yourself, you need to seriously realize the fact that you may have to kill someone to stop the threat. violence only escalates, and a taser, pepper spray, any other less lethal, doesn't stop a bad guy, it puts them at a disadvantage. if you aren't willing to kill to defend your self, or face the reality that you may have to in that situation, you may as well just stay unarmed and beg.

Hand-crossbow

Expect them to bleed all over the place and die screaming and in consfusion, but hey it's not a gun.

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karate fags even more so. I thought the self injury rate for knives would be fucking insane because of how shit they are as weapons.

This guy knows.

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Sage

Stop replying to these raiding shit dicks, they're trying to push important threads out of sight. Like the bump-stock ban thread. And the Vermont threads.
Every time we here about a new state ban, k becomes the most bumping board on Jow Forums and yet it's all this stupid shit.

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Home defense! No guns?
Get a scuba and tear gas grenades stashed all over. That way you can pull pins and fall back all the way to your scuba in the bedroom next to the phone. This will stop a home invasion easily 90% of the time.

A thread died for this gay shit. Sage.

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>What's the next best thing?

Bear spray

Actual weapons? Unironically a sword.

Something small enough that it's not going to get in the way, but long enough to be used as a thrusting weapon down a hall or through a doorway.

You know women can carry handguns to protect against rape, sexual assault, kidnapping, etc. right?

If you are a woman or even a weak ass soyboy, a gun levels the playing field against any would be attackers who are bigger and stronger than you are.

A knife is a close quarters weapon and relies on strength most of the time. Fighting a knife with a knife is always going to be a toss up unless you're a PROFICIENTLY trained knife fighter, and fighting a knife with a gun is 99% chance to be ineffective. Anybody have that webm of the guy who gets stabbed to death in some office after trying to wrestle a knife out of the guy's hand? Pretty gruesome, but a knife fight is going to be pretty much wrestling and hoping you have the stamina and luck to get the upper hand.

A stun gun is only really effective as an intimidation tool because of the loud sound it makes to people who don't have an experience with being shocked like that. If you get poked with one, yea, it hurts, but it relies on maintaining a point of contact, which is extremely hard to do when somebody will be flailing and swinging at you. It's a good tool to use to keep someone down if you ALREADY have the upper hand. A legit ranged taser would be better (which is why cops use them) but if you miss your one shot, it's down to fisticuffs and chances are your assailant will be armed with something.

OC spray or mace can disorient, but it also has a chance to affect you too, especially if you don't consider wind direction or are using it in a small space. Also some people are less affected because of natural immunity/tolerance.

Your best bet for home defence is, in fact, a gun. But if you really don't like guns, maybe a flamethrower would be a better option for your home defence needs.

t. femanon who thinks you're a fucking cuck

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another Jow Forums chimpout thread, nothing to see here,
Im starting to wonder of owning a weapon makes you more likely to be a spastic thin-skinned retard

>So I don't like guns

Get over it.

OP throw your used tampon at them

>Unless your country is in a revolutionary war. You don't need a firearm.

How dumb are you? It is no one else responsibility to defend you and your liberties. It is YOUR responsibility. You going to show up looking apologetic an ask to borrow a gun if you are in are in a revolutionary war? \\\\or do you just not believe in anything?

For you sir we recommend a 24 inch long latex dildo, bottle of lubricant and a dog collar

claymores.

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>for a bunch of wannabe hardened fags

What? Where do you think you are?

Unironically, pick related. Imagine a maniac surprising you, and rushing at you with a 3 foot long kitchen knife.

Not as good as a firearm, but clearly the next best solution. Your aim is to incapacitate attackers as quickly and reliably as possible. Since exploding 9mm holes into them is not an option for you, your goals in order of priority are now: 1) remove limbs and other portions of their anatomy 2) impaling them to a wall and caving their face in with your buckler 3) inflicting massive blood loss.

A small shield is crucial to fend off an intruder's melee weapon in turn, and to inflict some pretty lethal damage on it's own. I prefer a buckler for it's nimbleness and convenience, and for practicing i.33 medieval sword & buckler fencing. The one here is only 12" diameter, but an edge-on blow will easily obliterate your teeth & nasal sinuses.

Believe me, I have researched this heavily. Ideas to the contrary are welcome. If they have a gun your chances of course go down considerably, but it will be still be an honorable and heroic death. Dismembering one or two of them will end their rape party plans real quick. Whatever happens, be sure to get the drop on them, then hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats!

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>t. my wife was 5150'd, post partum depression after pregnancy
>she's totally fine now, but it's a federal life time ban on firearms in our home
>all my guns are now off premises, but I still have a wife and two daughters to protect
>if anyone comes in my home, I will fucking cut them in half regardless of what they're armed with
>Gus Trim Oakshot XIV medieval arming sword, high carbon spring steel, with steel buckler, 14 ga.
>paper cutting sharp, using a Ken Onion Worksharp portable belt grinder

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A rope. So Tyrone can hang your corpse after he's done raping you.
Fag.

>girlfriend

your ass, maybe when they start raping you, your family members can run away.

Bet he thought that too.

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Sword/crossbow/short bow.

Tasers and pepper spray are memes that should only be relied on when they're back up by lethal force. If you look into professional users you'll see oodles of cases of them failing to work at all or not achieving the desired effect.

Best post.

But aren't flammenwerfers more effective?Ausfag?

Get the fuck off weapons board and leave my country you nazi fuck

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Just shit yourself when they come to beat rape or rob you

I understand the question, but not so much your reasoning as it's infantile and ignores effective options (owning a firearm) for irrational reasons ("I don't like guns.)
However, if I didn't have my self defense firearm at the ready, I'd appreciate at least having a nice baseball bat by the door or my bedside. I'm a fairly big guy, though, so YMMV.

>Something small enough that it's not going to get in the way, but long enough to be used as a thrusting weapon down a hall or through a doorway.

Pic related. The smaller Oakeshott's are most easily usable in the close confines of a typical home with it's halls, doorways, and assorted furniture, while still giving you considerable reach. This is why they were made in the first place back in the 1300's. Anything longer will actually leave you at a disadvantage. And forget about using a long sword indoors.

A friend had me pepper spray him once for fun. Before the pain set in, he still had 15 seconds to chase me down and kill me, had I not run like hell! Don't trust anything other than an actual weapon. "Less than lethal" will just get you ape-stomped, hate fucked and then killed.

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OP, what is your reasoning for not wanting a gun? Is it because you don't want to kill another person? If that is the case then you should look up alternatives to defense like running, and maybe invest in good shoes instead of a "weapon." Defense is not in your best interest because being gunless will leave you at a disadvantage. A firearm is the most effective personal defense tool and you should be prepared to match that capability if you wish to adequately protect yourself. Anything less is leaving your safety to chance if the assailant is carrying a gun. I would suggest you purchase closed circuit cameras for the exterior and interior of your house instead of a weapon. Having those will make it easier for authorities to identify the assailants who murdered your stupid gunless ass.

Technically not a gun. in america though using it as a gun would magically make it a gun from a legal stand point.

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have fun noguns. moron.

Cattle prod.

great for home defense desu

This shouldnt be surprising to anyone. First of all, because 99% of the human population hasn't trained to fight unarmed, and those who have don't do it seriously. And second because why the fuck would fighting someone unarmed ever yield a better result than fighting them with a weapon?

>t. Mixed martial artist

Just get a shotty
12 guage to be procise

Peper spray should primarily be used as a tool to help you escape. I have no idea why anyone would use it indoors, especially in their own homes considering you can't run and your risk of getting exposed yourself are higher.

It is a right, not a need. However, if you want to get technical, the west doesn't have much time as it tools away in an age where people crave their bread and circus.
Buy a sword, not a wallhanger, an actual sword that will make a person suffer when you kill them because you where too much of a pussy to offer a quick death/a show of force to show people you mean business

>cops get called for domestic on my drunk stepdad as a kid.
>cop shows up and confronts stepdad in the living room where the whole family is.
>stepdad lunges towards cop and gets peppersprayed.
>it goes everywhere and ruins the paint on the walls.
>whole family goes outside in the front yard and can't breathe for like 10 minutes.

Totally true; notice how the nogs who employed less lethal weapons to rob me forced me to escalate the violence from less lethal to lethal with my knife.

By the time it's a revolutionary war it will be much too late to acquire one , meanwhile the price of a janky revolver will cost more than an automobile.

Shotgun with rubber shot.

Bucket of rocks, preferably from a river.

Have you considered anti-personnel mines?