I'm a police that works in plainclothes, doesn't wear armor, only carries a pistol, light, spare mag, and sometimes handcuffs (all concealed). I specialize in surveillance and HUMINT and target suspects for homicide, robbery, burglary, etc. If I did my job properly the arrestee has no idea I was ever there.
But sometimes they do, sometimes I have to throw on armor, sometimes I get in some shit without anything.
So the reasons I'm posting on these boards is to solicit opinions on various martial arts and their effacacy in my situation. I've more or less come to the conclusion that American Boxing (striking), Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (ground work), and some Muay Thai (leg work) is the best combination. I have however looked at a few others (Kali/Silat, Krav Maga, etc) but the issue with a lot of them seems to be it's hard to find somewhere to go a few times a week to train, it seems to be seminar-based or a loose group of dudes that just show up whenever.
Is there any martial art, or combination thereof, that you'd add, take away, or replace with entirely?
Judo. Anything that doesn't have the ultimate goal of creating distance so that you can use your gun is worthless.
Joshua Gonzalez
That's not even remotely accurate, there's not always justification to use my gun, sometimes I just need to punch someone in the face, or handcuff them.
Anthony Martin
if you're keeping hand to hand, what you're thinking is ideal, focus on the huehuejitsu. take them to the ground and finish them, should work with multiple opponents too.
Adam Kelly
You'll get more serious replies on the Martial Arts General on /asp/--assuming it's still alive and hasn't been drowned by wrestling shitposts.
Striking and grappling are essential, so you're right on those points. As long as you're using a proven striking and grappling system, the specifics don't matter that much since you're probably not arresting trained fighters. It just depends on what you like better and fits your specific needs. Do one striking art and one grappling art, then supplement it with a weapons-focused art and you're golden.
What region do you work/live in? I might be able to suggest a weapons focused place to train.
My thoughts on the arts you've named:
>boxing Solid. Will give you good punching ability and teach you how to move your head away from punches. Most people are probably going to take a swing at you, so IMO boxing is fits your needs well.
>Brazilian Jiu Jitsu I like it and I've done it myself in the past. I wouldn't say it's the absolute best at ground work though. While it does work, the whole "bjj is the ultimate grappling art" is more from the Gracie marketing machine than anything. You don't really want to go to the ground if there's more multiple opponents or if weapons are involved. For your needs, getting back up to your feet and pinning someone down are more important than submissions, which is BJJ's forte. I think wrestling/sambo/judo may fit your needs better.
>Muay Thai Kicks are good, but you're probably not going to kick in your line of work,at least not above the waist. Muay Thai's value IMO lies more in its close range clinch work and utilizing elbows and knees.
>kali/silat/escrima As a whole I would say it's pretty focused on practicality compared to other traditional arts when it comes to weapons based systems. They're not immune to the same pitfalls as other traditional arts though. There are cultural aspects and some schools may have devolved into something more showy and less practical.
I did post this in /asp/ but it's not going great.
>BJJ I would never say one thing is the end all be all but I have a few years training in it so I figured it'd be a good pickup point and it did work, at least 15 years ago.
>MT Again a much shorter background but even in our academy elbows and knees are emphasized because they tend to keep you in the fight (no broken hands/wrists/feet/ankles) and do really effective damage.
Don't need the badge number or department. Edit it out.
Carter Ross
well, you can kill yourself...
Joshua Baker
Some badges are pretty identifying, even if you erase the words/numbers.
Alexander Brown
Gecko45 is evolving
Jayden Hernandez
Alright, fair enough. Post surveillance tactics and how to identify them?
Easton Butler
That's actually a super legit request and I've considered putting a little up here but I haven't perfected how to redact the necessary yet, so keep posted.
Ryan Ross
Neat! And to answer your question and stop shitting up your thread, if you need to punch someone in the face American boxing would be good for that. I was doing it for a while before I got injured. BJJ seems alright for ground game, but from what I hear from the people I know that practice it, it's a lot more uncomfortable to use it on concrete and hasn't helped much in bar/street fights.
Logan Green
So I have actually used it on hard ground and it does tear your gear and clothes/uniform up, but you don't notice much at the time except it's a little harder to roll than you expected. I didn't notice the road rash during the fight.
Leo Peterson
ask here If you've already got experience in BJJ, then it'd fine to just keep doing it.
As far as weapons stuff go, I'd look into Craig Douglas' work in Shivworks. He comes from a brazillian jiujitsu and kali background and was an undercover narcotics officer before retiring. IMO he has some of the best most practical knife defense out there. Since you already have a BJJ background and a similar line of work, I'd think it'd mesh pretty well with what you know.
Check if he's doing classes near your area. It's no substitute for in-class instruction, but the DVDs are pretty good too. You can pirate them if you're an absolute cheapskate.
Step one is always getting the distance needed to use your gun, once you're there you're safe and can proceed as needed with TASERing/spraying/cuffing/shooting/calling for fucking backup
Jace Parker
I would suggest jujitsu it's all about close quarters and munipulating your opponent into submission.
Also walk me through how you got this job I want to do same.
