why not just buy the latest Pantsir?
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Why is america considering imbeciles for SHORAD
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Luke Mitchell
>Pantsir can operate in full autonomous mode creating a network with up to 5 vehicles.
>Kamaz is working on full autonomous chassis
Man, it's gonna be good.
David Gomez
literally ok vatnik
Landon Ortiz
>why not buy something that can't even hit one out of like 40 tomahawks
Hunter Garcia
>replacing a decent vehicle entirely every time it gets outdated
not doing this is why we have nice things, for decades or more at a time
Owen Ortiz
yes first it was the s 400 that didnt hit anything
then it was the aesa radars that didnt saw anything
then it was the krashuka 4 that couldnt jam nothing
now its pantsir that didnt hit the tomahawks(not to mention that they brought down drones that were even smaller than a tomahawk..no we dont talk about this)
i bet tomorrow if a sarmat thread comes up someone will claim that its shit because it couldnt hit the tomahawks
Jordan Torres
>ICBM can't neutralize cruise missile
whew, vatnik you ok?
Jonathan Howard
calling out bullshit makes you vatnik
just another day on Jow Forums
Bentley White
Ryan Sanchez
Every single asset from theatre defense to SHORAD failed to stop them, either the systems are horrible or russkies were afraid of what happens if they engage tomahawks
John Parker
yeah meanwhile in the real world
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first they claimed that the airfield was totally destroyed
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then only about 20% of the airport was destroyed
latimes.com
what russia ACTUALLY said about that
lostarmour.info
according to lostarmour only 8 aircrafts were destroyed
can you tell us why the tomahawks flew over israel? unless that you are suggesting that your own goverment is lying and you have the only absolute truth
Jonathan Bennett
>why not buy the military equipment of the enemy
Adam Sanders
>not to mention that they brought down drones that were even smaller than a tomahawk..no we dont talk about this
Uh what? Tomahawks are low-altitude trajectory weapons. You are not going to intercept a Tomahawk unless your SAM can engage targets that fly at VERY low altitude. It has nothing to do with the size of the target.
Chase Clark
>then only about 20% of the airport was destroyed
Well yeah no shit son, Tomahawks aren't used for the complete destruction of an airport/all military facilities. They take out munition bunkers/shelters/fuel tanks. Everything else is left to specialized munition like JP233s.
I don't know that the Russian AD looks like in Syria but shooting down Tomahawks should technically be piss easy if you have the SAM that can engage targets at low altitudes. There is no magic to this really so they probably just didn't bother, which is kind of strange because I don't think the interception of those Tomahawks would have caused the US to flip the switch. I wonder if there is a direct flight path that got released?
Christopher Carter
>shoots Pantsir with a Hellfire
>”Nothing personal kid.”
Ayden Morgan
>but shooting down Tomahawks should technically be piss easy if you have the SAM that can engage targets at low altitudes
Sounds easy, but in reality, it's pretty much impossible unless you have AWACS up or a radar along their flight path that spots them.
You've got almost zero warning for all intents. You'd need thousands of radar stations to cover all approaches and automatic defensive SAMs with heaps of missiles each (like CIWS when on fully automatic, so it takes away the slow human element).
Low altitude and subsonic is overpowered.
Noah Edwards
They're ashamed to admit Russian superiority. You bet they'd love to order Admiral Gorshkov class frigates for their new frigate tender too, especially after that LCS disgrace.
Also Pantsir is finally on the new Kamaz Typhoon chassis.
Adam Sullivan
>Russian air defense so good its only shootdown has been hardware store drones
Lincoln Sullivan
>their airstrip in syria was infiltrated by IS drone swarm attack
John Collins
Nathan Lewis
Because they're for different purposes? Not sure what you mean
Jaxson Flores
>Remember
Jayden Anderson
>up or a radar along their flight path
Radar tends to have pretty long range dude. In a conflict zone you'll have some form of radar, SAM radars themselves are able to detect them as well. Low alt. flight and masking is the only way Tomahawks can protect themselves, that's it. You can't expect mountains to be in every area of operations, not to mention that you can't expect the opposing side to gift you his high val. asset on a dinner plate.
>You'd need thousands of radar stations to cover all approaches and automatic defensive SAMs with heaps of missiles each
This is completely wrong. "thousands of radar stations" is just an incredible exaggeration. SAM sights that can track and illuminate low alt. cruise missiles tend to have enough missiles to intercept a bunch of them considering that Tomahawks are subsonic. Which is why I don't quite understand "subsonic is overpowered", this makes zero sense.
Tomahawks are of course very nice but also old and slow, if you have the terrain and the AD you're up against is not well trained and old they will absolutely be able to wreck havoc but if they're going up against modern SAM sites/ that are specifically designed to intercept low. alt cruise missiles you best start praying. That's why the US has already adopted new cruise missiles like the SLAM-ER/JASSM that work with the MALD-J, which by the way is really fucking sweet. The reason why you see Tomahawks is because the US has a metric fuck ton of them, same story with the HARM.
Asher Butler
their flight path was released not a detailed one but no one of the tomahawks actually went straight through syria some went from turkey some from israel and some came from iraq (i assume it was a firing solution from the bombers)
we also know that there are at least 14 pictures of destroyed tomahawks
also radars dont fucking work with magic latakia is protected by s400 and pantsir latakia is on sea level so IF the pantsir was connected to its own radar then it wouldnt be able to see shit not at least till 1-2km out since the area is filled with structures and hills
now if pantsir was connected to the battery(dont forget what russians call a battery of an s400 is the missile cannisters the nebo-m the nebo-svu and the krashuka 4 this is one intergrated battery)but knowning russians they would have avoid to activate them so that they can avoid being profiled they arent that stupid
plus they gave a warning to every country that was on the area of the airport (syria/russia/france and uk)
out of every system we know that russia has down there only 2 are known to be activated so far
the krashuka 4 when russia imposed the nfz on turkey (hilariously there was a time on Jow Forumssyriancivilwar that someone spotted a koral system from turkey on the tfsa area probably to counteract the krashuka 4 3 days later he posted a picture with 4 more koral systems just to give you an idea of how powerfull this system is)
and the pantsir that got involved on the downing of the drones
Sebastian Reed
>Radar tends to have pretty long range dude.
Not ones designed to see low-altitude low-rcs targets like cruise missiles.
Pic related aren't seeing Tomahawks flying low, and the Russians know this, its why they made systems like 40V6MR, but compared to traditional radar systems that have several hundred mile ranges against targets thousands of feet in the air, we're talking tens of miles.
You don't need terrain masking for low altitudes to drastically reduce the ranges at which you can be seen.
Jack Edwards
that's what russia does, have you seen their NATO equipment?
Asher Barnes
I've seen NATO's Russian equipment.
Christian Cruz
How dare any country have any weapon that can BTFO America.
Nathan Brooks
So its the MMEV but without ADATS and different turret?
Christian Morris
>Russia
>enemy
Eurocucks are our true enemy. Russians wanted to be our friends but we annexed their rightful sphere of influence into NATO and supported Chechen separatists and ISIS.