What makes you think you know how to aim a handgun better than the US military...

I wonder, how many rounds does an 11B go through before being deployed

Kinda pointless since arm braces were invented

Imagine if profesional boxers were stuck using the same training, stance, and styles since the 80's. Put them in a ring with an "enthusiast" MMA fighter who spars weakly in several diferent styles developing not just punches but kicks, grapples, and ground strikes. Now put them in a no holds barred grudge match. I would bet on the enthusiast.

>I would bet on the enthusiast
You are fucking retarded.

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Yes assuming the street fighter trained the same amount in street fighting as the boxer did in boxing.

I dont want to have this hypothetical argument because its always a shit show.
>durr boxing is better fight skills for street fight
>hurr mma is better fight skills for street fight
The guy who trains more seriously and has more in the fight wins. Thats the point im trying to make. The actively trying to improve his technical knowledge, capabilities, and skills will have more "in it" than the guy just beating on a heavy bag all day.

Well...I mean all an enthusiast has to do is get the boxer off his feet...then the boxers pretty much fucked.

>Well...I mean all an enthusiast has to do is get the boxer off his fe-
*gets dropped in one punch and dies*

They have punches in MMA you know. It's not like boxers have super special punches that only other boxers can take.

Military hand to hand manual. Not all inclusive. Literally a basic gestalt. Bake the nade fred!! idc what the manual says we got experience here.

military is bureaucratic as fuck, things need to get approved and that shit takes time. If something doesn't work, they risk losing money, lives, and of course constant bitching by politicians and taxpayers.

civilians don't have 107 layers of bureaucracy to review and approve of something. They just go for it, if it doesn't work, no biggie.

what's a "streetfighter"?

Kek

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>It's not like boxers have super special punches that only other boxers can ta
SMACK
*thud*

>dad was Lt Col
>2 tours Vietnam
>Australian Army Training Team
>takes me to Puckapunyal because why the fuck not?
>le expert shootist spends much time getting high score
>dad blazes at a target gets 70%
>le expert shootist says yeah that's a pretty good score
>Dad says "I'm training for a two way range."
>expert goes red and looks at something really interesting over there
only time i ever saw Dad tell someone off.
TLDR being a single minded killer is more important than stats, gear or methodology.

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a bigger budget for individual training and more time spent actually shooting, yeah most people probably do

1, Pistols are almost entirely irrelevant to military forces, we could legit replace them with dildos and nobody would fucking notice. They're kind of just there because they are, very few US soldiers have sidearms, especially today, and people get very little training in them.

2, Military training on firearms is pretty bottom of the barrel. They teach you how to line up the sights and point your gun in the right direction, but not a lot about the nuances, (particularly not with pistols), and the rifles aren't exactly the cream of the crop, basically just being "good enough". Hell, some Drill Instructors fucking insist on teaching recruits to grip the rifle by the magwell, as if that's not suboptimal as shit.

3, Nothing produces as much Dunning Krueger as the US Armed Forces, Jesus, there aren't words for how fucking full of hot air complete jackasses are because they were in the Army or Marines and think that somehow made them an authority on one or more subjects, even if they barely taught them fucking shit about what they're talking about. If someone tells you "I was in the Army, I know what I'm talking about", you need to slap them in their face with your cock, or lacking a cock, whatever substitute you have available. They'll never learn otherwise.

Though minor, I do think a meathead grunt would have an edge over a meathead pig.

His strawman argument.

What makes you think the military knows anything?

Yep. I counter with, "Whoopy, so was I...11B in case you're wondering there, motor pool monkey." when it comes to guns. I learned my shit about guns before and after the military. The military attracts about the lowest of the low for your average soldier.

>minor edge
>t. Neverserved cop pussy

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This, anyone who was in the army and is educated on a subject, generally didn't get taught it in the army.

How does he duck so cleanly?

I never said either of them were good shots.

idk man, these cool stances are good and all when you're standing still and your target is either running from u or relatively close.

In any fluid environment where you are getting shot at and shooting while moving, seeking cover, peeking etc one hand is natural and you will see pretty much every single operator one hand their pistol under these circumstances, Like when you're actually getting shot at and shooting at people.
During drills it's easy to do proper stance, try that while having to duck and peek quickly to try and stop them from closing in from different angles, one hand my nigga, u need the other hand for leverage for quick moves and turns.

Nope, if anything they taught blatantly false shit like the fuddlore about AK-47's being indestructible but so inaccurate that it was pointless to aim with them. Had an actual DS in Basic tell us this, just because you got sent off to Iraq a bunch don't make you an expert on small arms.

Years ago my grandpa and his buddies told me you shoot like in the picture because you would hold ski poles or main weapon in your other hand. You wouldn't want to drop anything on the deep snow because it would get lost or freeze.

They were veterans from winter and continuation wars so might be true and it sounds plausible, but they weren't too shy to spread some bullcrap so who knows.

>Do you have a bigger budget than the US military or something? Do you know something they don't?
Yeah I shoot more than once a year.

Don't they have seasoned weapon instructors and fitness trainers for spec ops units?

>muh budget
Literally not an argument

I both point shoot and aimed shoot one handed.

t. shot target 22 for years

>Now lets see those target marks and how long it took them to get those shots on target.

At ten meters I would expect to have ten shots in a half cent or less back when I was on form.

Although I would be with feet nearet 90 degrees and with the shoulder LOWERE not hunched as in the picture, arm locked via socket rotation from the shoulder, forearm flat and elbow and forearm at 90 degrees to the ground, left hand over sternum.

As I got older I went more to point shooting and finally revolvers in 357. I point shoot pretty good with them and can put a cylinder in 6inches at 10 M without aiming near instant.

What I am describing is pretty average BTW, I was never ranked very high in anything but small bore rifle silhouette

here

issf-sports.org/theissf/academy/e_learning/pistol.ashx

learn to fucking shoot anons and drop the vidya youtube crap, give yerselves a break from shite

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To allow the right arm to perform best it is necessary to place it in the line that is passing through both shoulders or a bit to the left from that line. This way it provides the best conditions for the static work of all three parts of the deltoid muscle. This will result in the optimal placement of the right shoulder in the lower or middle high position. Very often, we can see the high position of the shoulder and this model will be elaborated in the study case.

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Such a dumb opinion. Shut up, dummy.

Right Arm Position

Without being unfair to the importance of the other many body parts and the work done by them, the right arm has one of the most important roles in the shooting process. The right arm has to provide the crucial minimum arc of movement of the pistol, bear the weight of the gun, secure the optimal sighting line condition and deal with recoil. This multi tasking cannot be performed successfully without the engagement and support that other parts of the body provide. In order to provide conditions optimal for those requirements, the right arm has to be totally stretched.

This position is necessary for three reasons:

• Distance between the eye and the aiming elements will always remain the same.

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>10mm air pistol
Yeah nah

Interestingly a lot of the correct arm use in pistol shooting transfers from correct use of the bow arm in FITA archery (if actually fucking taught correctly. See her arm....?

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I hit my target every single time. They don't.

Thanks for providing evidence to the claim that day Jow Forums is autism

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Checked. OK fine. Just don't pretend you can shoot. How do you think you move through these if you don't have the technique and muscle memory. Its one thing to say you are to lazy to do there work and can't shoot its another to larp being a SF with a 9mm semi and another to pretend that you won't get a bullet in the torso from 40 meters from someone who can.

All the techniques, especially the locked arm rotating from the shoulder apply to point/instinctive shooting to.

PISTOL
50m Pistol
25m Rapid Fire Pistol
10m Air Pistol

That's actually a very good video. Aimed and point shooting have transferrable muscle knowledge. Locked arm, shoulder rotation, correct grip.

Most shooters I see who have no formal training don't even know how to align the muscles in their arm to get the elbow and forearm surface flat and locked

I am in the U.S. military.

Maybe not better than the Military as a whole, but I get more range time on a weekend than most POGs do in their entire career.

>I am in the U.S. military.

How's your jello? Is it firm, or mushy?

Watch

youtube.com/watch?v=bhuN2VcmYHg

>What makes you think you know how to aim a handgun better than the US military?
im in the cf reserve

it taught me that i fucking hate handguns and vastly prefer two-handed weapons

After watching infantry soldiers fail to qualify over and over again.

Defo not healthy.

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>tyson

>To allow the right arm to perform best it is necessary to place it in the line that is passing through both shoulders or a bit to the left from that line
It's not 1921, user, isosceles or bust.

He's talking about the .22 target competition shooting stuff.

>isosceles
Faggot

Real life Bullet Time caused by adrenaline.

jerry miculek shoots isosceles... kinda

You write so gay I can't even understand what the fuck you're trying to say.

I heard it was to allow the shooter to stand with the thinnest profile facing the enemy, basically an old dueling technique. Facing sideways just makes you harder to hit

I went through probably a thousand at most in the Army before my first
You're the retard and need to learn reading comprehension
> user's dad isn't that good at one type of shooting, acts hard because he's a Soldierman Officer and muh war

Literally 99/100 Infantrymen I've been in with think they're fucking experts on small arms, when most of these morons couldn't figure out an AK if I locked them in a room with it.

>That Marine who thinks AKMs are better than Colt M16s.

>Do you know something they don't?
I'm from the future (2018 to be exact), and the US military isn't, so yes.

I know this is bait, but you should remember that a lot of civilians are former military that actively improve on their own skills.

It's just how prevalent the Dunning-Kruger effect is one soldiers. A little bit of training and they suddenly think they're experts.

paraphrasing but infantry wins on the basis of synchonized collective action to bring mass fire to bear on target in service of an objective higher than one's personal survial not one faggot larping in the woods with a fucking paper cut out.

great do you cross sides tactical magpul stance and pinhole than grunt in the centre mass upper plate carrier while his friends ventilate your entire soul with enopugh collective fire power to drop a herd of elephants and that is 'accurate enough' at combat ranges. as you hit the ground be sure to get on your iphone and send an angry email to chad mcdeltadurpa asking for a refund. no wait you're fucking dead.

the problem is people like you don't actually understand the nature of infantry tactics and war.

this fine piece of ass.

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>It's not 1921, user, isosceles or bust.

I understand you are shit tier. OK. Bye. There is a reason not a single one of the top 1000 rapid or aimed fire shots in the world do as you say.

Those guys are all elite operators, I'm sure.

Kid can shoot though. 5 hits on bull at 25M under 4 seconds with the world watching

>Those guys are all elite operators, I'm sure.

Pull your head out of vidya/youtube/muh men in black shit. We are talking about shooting.

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>experts on small arms, when most of these morons couldn't figure out an AK

I hate to break the news to you but knowing about an AK is absolutely nothing to do with being expert in arms, shooting or their application. Their are children in Africa who manage to use it just fine. You are in their grade.

Come on people. Learn to fucking shoot.

Such targets are used in order to psychologically ease the mind to automatically targeting human forms, not accuracy, ability or speed.

I always one hand my 1911 if you get what I'm saying

So OP talking fondly about wanting to fondle army men ballsacks with his tongue has nothing to do with the subject?

GIs sure as fuck aren't shooting for points, so I'm assuming the subject is combat shooting.

It's also famously slow to adopt new techniques and technology.

>It's not unusual now days to have civilian enthusiast out shoot military or law enforcement.

Also, weapons training in a modern military isn't focused on being a sharpshooter because assault rifles and battle rifles have been developed. The important thing is that each fighting man understands how to operate in a squad using small unit tactics. It's more important to know how to lay down covering fire and move up to neutralize a strong point than being able to plink a turban at 500 yards.

Different disciplines, to be honest.

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1911s shoot amazing so you can hit anything standing whatever you want from almost any distance

yeah, effective fire isn't bullseye shit, it's close enough to your target to scare them enough into inaction. then they lose the initiative and can be flanked and destroyed.

This.^

If 2 rifles are benched and one rifles sights are dead on and the other is not...then one rifle is going to be accurate and the other is not.

If you hit your intended target you have done your job
If you miss it then you have not done your job.

Fucking kids on this board think that there is some magical fucking shit surrounding "soldiers".

Soldiers are fucking retards just like anyone else. Theres no magic. Go ask those poor bastards that got ambushed by niggers with rusty ak's

Today's U.S. Military. Laughable overall. Includes fat bitches, sicko-queers who need a job but are dumb as a box of rocks, low IQ negroids to make quota, and a few good white men. I can outshoot 75% easily. Of USMC boots, 40 of 250 get the pizza box. Go be an annoying jew someplace else.

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I know a lot of things the US military doesn't. For example, I can keep my employees and children from eating crayons.