>recently moved to a shithole town for my job
>live in a townhouse complex
>chances of running into a self defense situation are high
>brought my rifles from home
>have a ruger 10/22, an AR-15, and a Mossberg 590 (12 gauge)
>am worried my AR-15 and my Mossberg will have over-penetration problems
>am also worried my 10/22 will not have enough stopping power
Well, what should I use for home defense?
Recently moved to a shithole town for my job
Ryder Gray
Jonathan Wilson
Just use the AR-15 and sort out the over-penetration later.
Nathan Gray
Buy a M&P shield or a glock in 9mm.
Anthony Gray
>am worried my AR-15 and my Mossberg will have over-penetration problems
Why?
You should be a lot more concerned about killing the bad guy as fast and effectively as possible.
Nolan Thompson
If your AR is in 55.6 it will have the least overpenetration of any gun on the market. Put xm195 in it.
Grayson Watson
Load #4 buckshot. It's almost as effective as #00 buck but significantly less likely to over-penetrate.
Jose Diaz
Get a purpose designed home defense shotgun load. It's like a volley of .22s
Nicholas Morris
>55.6 mm
>local man defends himself with light artillery
Cameron Mitchell
#7 or #8 birdshot. At close range it's a massive wad of bb's that will mess someone up, but it's unlikely to penetrate a wall.
Jackson Martinez
>sometimes not enough to kill a quail
>suitable for home defense
Noah Morales
1. don't take shots that might miss if it can be helped
2. with proper ammo selection both 12g and 5.56 have relatively low over penetration risk compared to many firearms
3. 5.56's over penetration risk is HIGHLY unpredictable, while 12Gs is very predictable assuming proper shot selection.
Not a huge proponent of #4 buck, but if you're willing to give up the reliable and nearly ideal penetration of 00 then it's likely your best bet. A single pellet has half the mass of a 40gr .22lr round, and likely considerably less over penetration risk. Also worth considering is setting up a safe direction at your primary defensive position, A book case is likely the best low key option.
Carson Miller
Brody Parker
Beware the tards, OP.
Jose Brown
>55.6
>neighbors house disappears
Wyatt Gutierrez
wrong reply from
Chase Myers
Noah Flores
I bet you "rainbow load" your shotgun dont you?
Birdshot is for birds. #4 buck is the smallest i would use for shooting at people.
Evan White
You should pick up some of these when they pop up in US.
Easton Thomas
AR-15's okay with the right ammo, but my choice would be
>590 with #1 buckshot
If you're really worried about over-penetration, and willing to settle for reduced effectiveness, you can go with #4 buck. It works, but it's a little short on penetration in less favorable shots, e.g. where the shot column hits the attacker's forearm on the way to the chest. #1 is just heavy enough to be reliable on target, while not near the overpenetration risk of 00.
There's nothing wrong with .22 out of a rifle barrel, either -- it's in the same class (both for effectiveness and overpenetration) as .32 ACP handguns, or an individual pellet of buckshot. But a shell of #1 buckshot is like shooting 16 rounds of .22LR at once; even if you cycle that pump like an arthritic gramma, you can put lead downrange faster than Jerry Miculek magdumping a 10/22.
Just no.
While #4 buckshot is as light as I'd ever go, you could make a case for heavy goose shot (#2 up through TT). #7 and #8 is absolutely ridiculous -- that's for small bunnies and doves, respectively.
Gavin Gonzalez
tfw ywn live in ancapistan
Easton Stewart
Shotgun vs AR overpenetration with shitty unspecified loads in AR:
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Terminal performance of #4 on a deer at ~22yds:
youtube.com
DESU that #4 penetration is a good bit less than i'd like to rely on. Might be a little better with plated shot.
Jacob Sullivan
Holy fuck where can i get one of those 55.6 ARs?
Ian Wright
#1 buck
Kayden Perez
they spelled "London" wrong all over the article, BBC is getting sloppy
Oliver Brooks
>ar-15
>Overpenetration
If used at close range, the bullet from your AR will fragment and disintegrate as it hits wood or brick or concrete or an assailant. Fragmentation is actually exactly the purpose of the 5.56's small and fast bullet design and assuming you have a barrel length of 10.5 inches or longer you will get fragmentation in any medium (even ballistic gel) out to 100 yards. Only after you go under your fragmentation velocity do you have to worry about overpenetration because the bullet stays together.
In fact, 9mm out of a handgun has substantially more risk of overpenetration through ballistics gel than 5.56 provided they both use "optimized" self defense rounds.
You can further reduce the risk of overpenetration by using bullets optimized for use against humans in close quarters (ie. 55 gr. gold dot) or virtually eliminate the risk of overpenetration by using frangible or varmint control rounds which are typically lighter still (some as light as 35 gr.) which are actually so eager to come apart that firing them at high velocity through a barrel with a fast twist rate can actually cause them to disintegrate as they leave the barrel (ie. don't use them in a 20 inch barrel with 1:7" twist).
For a video illustration of fragmentation velocity and the effect it has on making bullets come apart after they hit something check out this video:
Jace Anderson
>assuming you have a barrel length of 10.5 inches or longer you will get fragmentation in any medium (even ballistic gel) out to 100 yards.
Proofs? Skipped through video and couldn't find anything on drywall. I've watched a few tests of 5.56 on intermediate barriers and the only ones where only drywall were encountered had highly variable results, sometimes showing fragmentation after a few wallboards and other times not at all.
Justin Hughes
The video doesn't include drywall tests, and the general consensus on that subject is you need either to ensure your backstop includes something like a solid brick wall (ie. shelter in place and ensure the baddie presents in a doorway with a brick wall between them and the neighbor) or that you don't take any shots you aren't sure will hit because to do otherwise is negligence.
The same logic applies when you carry concealed and must ensure your backstop is solid or the shot is sure before you shoot because - again - negligence.
Personally, I use a 5.56 AR pistol for HD duty because I am able to guarantee a concrete barrier between an assailant and my neighbors no matter where in my house I shoot from but that might not be right for you.
Easton Wright
forgot to include in , but it's also important to consider that you don't want to let a baddie use drywall as cover which detracts from shotguns in the case of HD, because for bad guys who are most often armed with handguns the same obstacle is not cover for you.
That is a bit of a problem if you can't ensure you have brick/concrete/stone exterior walls, but then again, maybe solid exterior walls should be a consideration when you rent or lease or build a house.
Brody Butler
Im talking more like multiple walls, not a singular sheet of drywall. Many houses have little or no brick in them, and standard style walls with only studs. While i certainly agree with creating a back stop at whatever your probable defensive location is, and cover if you can manage it, along with only taking good shots if possible, that doesn't work for everybody in all situations which i think is kinda what the threads about. Mitigating danger to bystanders in a worst case scenario.
Many calibers won't go through a brick in a single shot, including most common handgun rounds from what i've seen. I haven't seen much evidence personally to show that 5.56 will reliably be stopped by interior walling, OTOH i have seen fairly compelling evidence that lighter buck shots, while they won't be stopped by one or even two walls, will likely stay inside the home even with a miss unless you only hit an exterior wall or something.