Precision Rifle General #2

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Links that we're dropped by an anonymoose:
> Group calc program.
ontargetshooting.com/

> Quick video brief with exercises on MIL ranging.
youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg [Open]

> Ballistic calc and chart.
jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi

> Turret/ milling/ basic windage/ basic drop/ Practice.
shooterready.com/lrsdemo.html

> MIL Relation intro with practical exercises.
youtube.com/watch?v=kSbtwSS16Qg [Open]

> Data books.
scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5539-diy/13433967-d-i-y-data-books

> Basic forum work.
youtube.com/watch?v=8rLfYLM48Ms [Open]

> Glass basics.
youtube.com/watch?v=TVF2pdHbX1M [Open]

Some guy that thinks he is a Dinosaur, Sawry.
> Sniper 101 link for the lazy crowd.
youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ [Open]
> Playlist.
youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ&list=PLJUaiRIEduNXoal2_PkBZi0vDCIcEPxUn [Open]

> Math suggestions to get you on target.
millettsights.com/resources/shooting-tips/mathematics-for-precision-shooters/

> Blank dope book.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S4g3GGWc_ZrLoRyxGRso5bMPRpHaAmyxvtIVj_INddI/edit?usp=sharing

> Pathsofglory likes this page & fuck you if you don't.
precisionrifleblog.com/
precisionrifleblog.com/2014/09/19/tactical-scopes-field-test-results-summary/

> Baby's first lazer range finder.
amazon.com/dp/B01DS38XM2/

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Other urls found in this thread:

bisonballistics.com/point_mass_calculations/new
ruger.com/products/HawkeyeLRT/models.html
seekinsprecision.com/havak-bolt-action-rifle-3.html
cdnnsports.com/steyr-ssg-69-piik-308-single-trigger-threaded.html?___SID=U#.WsEblYFlB-E
bergarausa.com/bergara_premier_series_hmr_pro_rifle.php
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

This is neat too.
bisonballistics.com/point_mass_calculations/new

2nd for loading your bipod

Interested in hearing more thoughts on this new neato Ruger that got mentioned in last thread

ruger.com/products/HawkeyeLRT/models.html

>.300 Win Mag
Why try

Isn't in 9.5lbs? Upper weight end of a good hunting rifle, still plenty usable if thats the market

1:9 twist, it's likely reamed for long range bullets. It's going have a market being able to shoot the 200+ grain bullets. As far as I know, no other budget long range rifles have this. Might be another win for ruger

The Savage 110BA LE Stealth has 1:9 and is sold for a little less than the Hawkeye's suggested retail on cheaper than dirt.

I'm between these two
ruger.com/products/HawkeyeLRT/models.html

seekinsprecision.com/havak-bolt-action-rifle-3.html

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Slug sniper reporting back in. Still waiting on my shotgun to ship to my FFL.

Nobody answered my question last thread. I had a theory that since the Mossberg 535 has a 3.5" chamber, hand-cast discarding sabot slug reloads fired from 2 3/4" and 3" shells might cause inaccuracy issues because the slug and wad would have to jump .5"-.75" before it actually hit the tube and/or rifling (depending on the barrel I'm using), giving the slug/wad an opportunity to cant slightly in some direction or another during the jump, before potentially swaging itself down unevenly or deforming, leading to asymmetrical and unbalanced slugs exiting the barrel, greatly affecting accuracy. Does this have any merit as a potential problem I'm gonna need to solve or am I just overthinking things? Aside from shit ballistic coefficients and basically gambling with physics when/if the improvised shot cup "sabot" discards, I imagine this might actually be common with all shotguns unless you are shooting shells that fully fill the chamber.

Tbh I'm not even sure how I would test this theory of mine. Anyone have any ideas?

1:9.3 at 2lbs heavier and at $200 higher msrp

An user last night mentioned not having anywhere to shoot past 100y in upstate South Carolina. Does anyone live in the area or know of anywhere decent to shoot in or around Horry County?
I'd like to find somewhere with at least a 200 yard berm.

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>Nobody answered my question last thread.
Probably because it's a dumb idea in general...

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In revolvers the bullet has to jump to the forcing cone and yet they are capable of high accuracy. Just try it, you already bought the gun and you're obviously curious.

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What are some approved calibers for getting into LRS. Besides .223 or 308. Do people use .270 or is that just for hunting?

6.5 creedmoore, 6mm creedmoore, 7mm magnum, 8mm magnum, 338

6.5 creedmoore

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A lot of factory sabot shotshells recommend against using them in mismatched chamber lengths. Seems like it would be simple enough to just keep your 3.5" hulls around for loading instead of 2.75"

6mm creed and 6.5 creed are best for starting and professionals. 7mm rem mag is incredible with a 1:8 twist if reamed for the right bullets but doesnt fit well to practice or any competition I can think of (would be good for hunting). Haven't heard of 8mm magnum getting mich use. 338 Norma and lapua are not friendly to starting out and are expensive.

You can use 270 if you already have one in a nice rifle for practice if you handload to a long ways but I would definitely not suggest going out and buying one if your goal is 1000 yard shooting.

6.5 CM, 6.5x55, maybe .243, 6.5 anything really since the bullet selection is great. That's the problem with .270, lots hunting bullets with less then desirable BCs.

I have a Steyr SSG-69 in 7.62x51 with no scope yet, but I'm leaning towards a Hensoldt. A Browning Xbolt Medallion with a Vortex HST 6-24x56 for hunting. I'm building a 24" 6.5 Grendel AR which will have a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x56. Then I have a Barret M82A1 with a Nightforce NXS 6-24x50. Looking into something in .338 Lapua and .300 Win Mag.

Build your own 300wm and lapua off a surgen or defiant action lazy nigger

I'm too lazy a nigger to do anything but stick AR pieces together.

The Browning is 7mm Rem Mag.

Any recommendations for a mildot scope for a Ruger american? Want to use it for some cheap practice for range. Also, What do you guys zero a .22 lr at?

How far are you hunting that you have a 6-24x scope, or do you use it for long range plinking too?

How much are you looking to spend on the scope, and what other features do you want for the money spent?

>Also, What do you guys zero a .22 lr at?
My 22lr is zero'd at 250y soley because I hate sharing the short range lanes with the normal range riffraff.

I hunt deer at < 75 yards with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 6-24x56. I'm a stupid nigger who bought a bunch of scopes on deals last Black Friday and then had to scramble to find guns to put them on. At least I never have to track them. I use it for long range bench shooting, too, though.

Find a good gunsmith then m8, I'm considering a ptg action because of Judaism since I already have a smith who will do it for me. I'll have to pick up the reamed I need though.

I was about to call the 300wm redundant if you already have a 7rm but it's not a bad idea to have a backup game rifle in case one gets dropped if you're a long ways from home.

100 yards 22lr

if you want cheap, the Primary Arms 4-14x44 FFP mil dot hasn't treated me bad.
I wouldn't trust it mechanically to dial in shots for much though, but it'll get you on target and hold a zero.

Lmao. The set up sounds great for a western hunter. Should look into an elk hunting trip in Wyoming or Idaho to justify the rifle with

This is not a mildot but I put a Vortex Diamondback 2-7 on mine. I wish I'd gone with something fancier. Don't be afraid to overscope the Ruger. It's a lot of gun for the price. I zero .22s at 50 yards but you can get into long range shooting with them.

I wasn't trying to be condescending or thumb my nose at you.
I like mentions thought you might be some Elk hunter taking 600-800 yard shots and it'd be cool if you had a story or two.

He should make a story with it.

You bought a Porsche to drive in the slow lane, take it out and have a good trip. Mount a head on your wall.

Impressive, very nice

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Can scar be precision rifle

inb4 "semi-auto platforms are inherently inaccurate."

It can shoot well but it's not known for it like DI guns. If you're someone trying to get first shot hits at 500 or more yards you're welcome here though.

Automatics are inherently innacurate.

For the last few years a bunch of former coworkers and I have had an annual elk hunt in Wyoming and I won't have to borrow a gun for it next year.

Make sure you bring 60+ rounds and practice shooting at the altitude you intend to hunt, have multiple charts printed off and laminated. Get the 600 yard kill m8

What bullet do you use out of it?

Worth it?
cdnnsports.com/steyr-ssg-69-piik-308-single-trigger-threaded.html?___SID=U#.WsEblYFlB-E

I'd prefer something in 1:10 for the flexibility to step up to 208s or 210s. Steyr doesn't make a bad rifle though.

I wouldn't but I wouldn't make fun of you if you did. Still a nice rifle.

What I was thinking but then again it's 308 with a 20" so shooting 210s is like 2450fps? Hang time might be so great it ruins performance.

You're going to shoot 210s in 308?

On deer? 150 gr Corelokts or 164 gr Superformance, but these are rat-sized things where you just put the dot on the deer and pull the trigger and it falls down. On elk I've always had to borrow a .270 and used 150 gr Partitions. I just started using the Browning this season.

It's a nice gun and you'll get good results with it, but the design is a little older and they are discontinued. If you want one of the classic sniper rifles, go for it, but there are more modern options.

nothing wrong with using corelokts with the distances you're shooting at. It's arguably the smart thing to do since they do extremely well inside of 300 yards.

You'll have to get a longer range bullet for 600 yard plus shots though, look for a G1 above .6 that you can get at least 2900 fps out of and expands down to 1800 fps or lower. I know a guy who uses a 168 ablr with retumbo and has over 1000 yards of usable range with it. Though the BC is exaggerated on the box, it's still in the .610 area.

I don't know what the twist rate is on xbolts but you might want to stay under 175 grains if you're 1:9.5

How does 6.5 CM compare to say .243 in a hunting application. Is it a common hunting round?

6.5 puts enough energy downrange to take mid-large game. It's more popular as a target round, but they do make hunting rounds like the SST in 6.5 that perform quite well.

Do da bumpy bump

I'll give bump

Depends on what you're trying to hunt.
If you're shooting varmints like groundhog and coyote then I'd pick a .243, if were talking small deer like coues or pronghorn then the only difference would be use the CM for shots 350+ yards, anything bigger than that then the CM is a better choice.
Factory loaded Hornady ELD-X has enough velocity and energy to "ethically" kill an elk at 500 yards assuming it's being shot out of a 24" barrel.

>.243,
308

What is your per cost round when reloading for your calibers?

MInd if I ask what stock that is?

Dont really pay attention to that.

not him, ruger stock, shipped stock

Ruger american stock

bergarausa.com/bergara_premier_series_hmr_pro_rifle.php

Neat

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>want to get into precision shooting to further my rifle skills but don't want to deal with all the math and autism

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what did he mean by this?

>team chocolate's first post in precision shooting thread

I feel bad for you guys.

Delet this

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bumpy bump

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>ordered my barrel in January
>still no word

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Call them and ask about lead times

they told me 2 months when i ordered back in January.

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Who from?

What is your next purchase going to be? Team chocolate need not reply

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Looking at an Alexander Arms upper with a 24" Shilen barrel. I know Lilja and JP are considered better barrels but I'm a lazy nigger and this comes preassembled. I also need to finalize my decision on a scope for that Steyr and pull the trigger on it. Leaning Hensoldt but got distracted by a Schmidt and Bender. After that, looking into:
>something in .300 Win Mag
>Looking at a Sako in .338 Lapua
>Steyr HS50M1

>Team chocolate need not reply
das rayciss mane

criterion, I need to finish this thing because 25-06 blows ass.

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>Mossberg

6.5 creedmoor barrel for my MWS

More 6.5 ammo.

Off the shelf? Not as much selection but it's a more 'powerful' round. If you homeload and can choose your bullets then the world's your oyster.

You know...i keep reading about this, but even when i dont do it, i still shoot sub moa. Im not bragging, i just havnt personally seen a need for it. At least not on my harris swivel.

Pic is 5rnd grp of 308. Those arent flyers. Its just my featherweight barrel doesnt like to shoot the 5th round. My rifle liked the federal gold medal match best.

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Fuck man I really need a chassis on my R700. Being a poorfag sucks ass.

If find that if I load my bipod and go through those extra setup steps I get more still and my crosshairs hold better, but whenever I just the bipod do its own thing my crosshairs shake a little.
Maybe you're really disciplined and that's great.

Really want a chassis system rifle in 6.5 CM, but I have no need since I only have a 100yd range near by and driving 2hrs to a 300yd range is a bit much.
I'll probably just get a hunting rifle in .270 and keep shooting my .223 "prairie dog gun" at 100yds.

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What do people write down on notepads when they shoot long range?
Is it something that helps one improve?

There are chassis guns that aren't that expensive now around the 1k-1.5k range

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I want to get into this stuff, there's a really good range for long distance shit near-ish to where I live and it seems cool.

Are there any sub $1K 6.5 Creedmoor rifles that aren't garbage or should I look for like a 308 or something?

I know, but the way I see it right now I could drop a fat grand on a 6.5 creed that I would rarely take out to to perform, or I could spend the money on a really nice hunting rifle and get the chassis gun later

Will you really take the hunting rifle out more? And what's to stop you from dual purposing it? Main problem I see is weight but otherwise, why not

I have no problem with the MDT chassis I have.... that being said one of my 80 dollar MDT magazines wouldn't lock in place so I emailed them about it. They told me to file it until it fits. I don't usually bitch about things like this but with a 600 dollar stock and nearly 100 dollar magazines it better fucking fit in there right.

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Yeah, you'd expect better. They could have at least asked you to send them the magazine and promised to replace it if it was faulty or advise you on what the problem may be in the chassis if the mag was fine. That's the cheap option if they wouldn't just send you another mag to try,

I need to do something with my HS Precision stock, I can't see any problem in the bedding that would cause it but for some reason the barrel channel doesn't run straight. I just barely have clearance on one side and I think it's not free floated all the way due to the thicker barrel that's on there. I don't want to start removing material though since the reinforcing bar in the stock has already been machined through to accommodate the larger recoil lug. Honestly whoever did it did a sloppy job, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just the fudd owner and not the smith that did the action work.

Either 50 or 100 meters, depends on which distance range I shot on last.

Get a wide variety of ammo to try to find which your gun likes best. Then zero it for that ammunition. You'd be surprised how much more drop there can be at 100 meters just from changing the brand and the weight bullet, from 36 to 40.

Bump

If they're at 100 yards sometimes 200 yards: they're making notes on handload development (group size, velocity, shape) to make the next batch with.

If they're at further distances: they're mapping out their true drop/wind effects with a particular load

Will this be any good? I'm keen on a 300WM 'out of the box build'.

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Get the chassis gun first if you're new. You want to learn on something that's light recoiling, very accurate, and is in a good performing caliber. It can still be used for hunting fine, there's a number of guys here that hunt with them, they're just not ideal if you intend on hiking a long ways or have to make a free hand shot.

You will spend 2-7 grand on a good hunting build if you think you'll be saving money or something by going straight to it and it won't be as friendly for learning. If your end goal is only hunting, the cheaper gun you have will be a chassis gun like an rpr.

It might be, it seems promising.

Ruger has been doing good recently. If I wanted a .300WM precision rifle I'd give this a hard look for sure, but I would wait until after it comes out to buy it.