Basically, Beretta, oldest firearm corporation in the world, so old they could basically claim to have invented the pistol and have a fair chance of being right about it, why does it seem like they hardly ever get the amount of wank you see about 1911s (and any other Browning made shit) or the magic Kraut engineering of H&K.
Seems like even Czechnology gets more of it. Is it just familiarity breeding contempt?
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1911s get hyped because of fuddlore. They do have nice triggers, and there are quite a few high end brands that are very nice though.
H&K because they are genuinely nice guns, and they look fucking cool to boot.
CZ because lots of poorfags want a steel framed 9mm and CZs are better than Taurus.
92s are very represented in action movies. Die Hard comes to mind
I've always loved berettas. got a 92fs as my first gun, despite my noguns friend berating me for not getting a 1911. couldn't have been happier with it.
Does anyone use them as a base for race guns? or is it just 1911s/2011s primarily?
They make sexy looking guns, but aren't very innovative.
>aren't very innovative.
when you've already achieved peak perfection. there s no need to add fake bells and meme
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For good reason, user.
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>slide safety
>perfection
they should just go back to the frame safety already.
Yeah the M9 is good and is the definite exception, but I can't really think anything else they did except for the AR70
shame if your locking block were to break, making you unable to disassemble the weapon
The 92fs gets a lot of flack from military types so that plays a role in how quiet their fanbase tends to be I'd guess. Perfectly good handgun though and it's certainly on my want list, it's just not high on my list because I don't like safeties.
there are decocker only versions
It's a good functional safety though. As it decocks, it rotates part of the firing pin down and away from the hammer. I also have big hands and the safety is in a good place for me. Not that I am a safety whore, I CC a Sig P230 and those don't even have a safety.
having handled a pt92, I think the old frame safety was much nicer.
I don't have a problem with the slide safety though.
1980's 1990's Military vets liked their Beretta's but by the 2000's beretta's were beat to shit and to be fair, open slide does let shit in.
I like beretta 92fs/M9 is better gun for cops and civilians than soldiers.
NOT A SOLDIER'S GUN, EH?
I think a good part of the hate and the reason it's brought up in almost every discussion is that the motion is opposite of what most pistols are. It makes more sense to me to flick a safety off away from your hand, not towards it, but I also learned on a Beretta, so there's that. I've always felt 1911's and such were backwards.
Honestly, if the Army went with the new desert tan beretta, rhey should adopt the decocker only version and just practice the don't keep one in the chamber policy. Cops manage to only shoot themselves in small numbers with glocks.
My favorite pirate cum dump has a pair of custom berettas
rather be shooting a 45 acp then a 9mm so my side arm of choice is a 1911 or one of those makarovs yes i know makarovs shoot 9mm i just love russian weaponry
>tfw
new arcs when
creme is a bunch of faggots and fudds, apparently.
>muh stoppin powah
the proportions of the open slide Berettas never look quite right to me. It's almost a great looking gun but theyre always just a little bit too bulky or something. The cheetahs look a little bit better but still not quite right.
I've never shot a Beretta before, but it's going to be pretty difficult to beat the feeling of shooting this pistol.
>slide safety
>heel magazine release
I always thought I didn't have big enough hands, but I own and am able to shoot a CZ Shadow good enough. Is the grip of a 92 really going to be much wider, or should I be fine?
In a Yurop country so can't easily find one to hold first, I'd have to make serious enquiries.
I don't have particularaly large hands. I wear a sm/md for most gloves.
92s are maximum comfy.
John Woo movies, and Lethal Weapon are why lots of people bought them.
as someone who bought one because of lethal weapon, can confirm.
The only reason I wanted a beretta before ever even shooting one was action movies.
No
This really. Everyone loved them until the military wore them to shit and kept issuing them. These days the only Beretta wank I see is Resident Evil fans who all want to get a Brigadier model.
back in the print gun magazine heyday, there were a few different magazines dedicated to the 92. I saw them, but never read them.
It's cause they're a bit shit.
they're better than 1911s
So are old fudd service 1911s unless they're like Cooper's gun and [spoiler]have never been shot outside the range[/spoiler]
OP, I own both a 1911 and 92FS. As well as: Walther, Sig, Glock, Smith&Wesson, Bersa etc etc etc.
What I love about the 1911, it shoots just like my 92FS.. only it is a .45 ACP. I love my 92fs too. Both guns are very easy to control in recoil and very accurate. You just got to know how to run them and take care of them and you will never have any real problems. I love my glock 19 too because of the size of it. Its light weight does not make it a good comfy shooter though out of the factory compared to the heavy 92 and 1911 out of the factory. Beauty of glock, you can literally change everything about the gun to fix that though.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
The 92fs is purty and the PX4 is a dream to shoot.
IDK. I know a guy that has two Beretta 93Rs. Pretty fucking silly if you ask me.
good enuff for robocop, good enuff for me.
Have you ever held one? They're massive.
4U
If the trigger reset want garbage, I'd be all about the 92sf but the reset is garbage. It's long and has a false reset too. The barrel has its own rails and often it doesn't sit parallel to the slide which triggers my OCD and you can't replace the sights with proper night sights because the front is machined into the slide.
Their new new rebar inspired wonder 9mm isn't particularly good either. It's a shame, I really want to love beretta but they're not that great.
I'm a chubby manlet and can hold it comfortably brah
burger king hands.
No. They are reliable guns from a godd company. You just have personal issues with Beretta. And yes you can have night sights installed.(not cheap)
The only Beretta I've shot is a Storm at a range so I'll give you that
I like having it out of the way. I also don't insist on flicking my safety every time I drop my sight picture.
They make decocker-only versions, and there is a fairly easy drop-in conversion.
I think if it as a valve. Across the pipe? It's of. Parallel? It's on.
You will be fine. The m9a1 and 92a1 have a nice reduced thumb radius, and you may even be able to find a Vertec. I wear a small or medium globe and even the issued m9 fits me fine.
Newer versions have dovetailed front and rear sights.
>When you out yourself as a small handed manlet by accident
92's are fantastic for exposing the manlet menace.
I think the 1911 has survived so long because even though it has been made obsolete by many other guns for combat duties, it still has a trigger which can be fine tuned to be much nicer than most semi auto handguns, and ergonomics that just feel right to a lot of people.
Not so sure the Beretta has the same appeal. There were tons of DA/SA "wonder nines" that are just as good if not better than the Beretta. The gun is fuckhuge and has an awkward slide mounted safety. Other than the 90s action movie appeal I don't see it becoming a "classic" like the 1911.
>having handled a pt92, I think the old frame safety was much nicer.
Except the PT92 feels so fucking cheap.
They're so established they don't need a cheerleading squad of fanboys and marketers. The new poly guns have not been that great. The easybake Glock clone they submitted for military trials after the m9a3 got rejected has their marketing at a low point. The trend is their product quality going down along with some of their reputation as they move into budget territory on the civilian market.
Corporation?? Not..
>easybake Glock clone
It's a weaponized Toblerone, you fag
I never understood the slide safety = bad meme
like, is it people afraid of tripping it when they rack the slide? because that's pretty difficult to do
It is basically a case of "it's different from something I like so it's bad reeeeeee".
>H&K because they are genuinely nice guns
This meme needs to die
The slide mounted lever makes for a shit safety but a great decocker and you should really be converting to decocker only anyways
This doesn't really happen now, maybe with the old locking blocks from the 80s but they've been updated
Hehe good ol forty five no replacement for displacement
CZ's have tiny bitch hand grips compared to the 92 series
It's the tacticool fags and mall ninjas crying about possibly tripping it by accident in their die hard and CoD fantasies.
Outside of Jow Forums and brand specific forums HK Beretta and Walther are run of the mill guns eclipsed by the consistency, reliability, and after aftermarket options of Glock and S&W.
>the consistency, reliability, and after aftermarket options of S&W.
I'm a fat sumbitch with short fingers and the 92 feels nice and comfy in my meaty paws
you've just got short hands my man
I'd buy one right now if it wasn't made by monkeys
Don't go to bed without a price on your head. Don't do it.
Online gun community is full of retards who just repeat the same things over and over.
>2+2=4
>"UUGH I'M SO SICK OF THIS MEME"
I agree. The only reason I want one was John Woo and all the action movies I watched as a kid had one at least. Also they're cheapish and seem fun.
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You keep using that arrow, but you do not know what it means.
Back when I was a kid I used to love the M9 for no reason other than it's what the military used. After joining the military and getting first hand experience with it, my opinion of it now is "meh". I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to buying one if I found a good deal, but it's not high on my list of wants.
Aimsurplus has some used 92-S's for sale just a little over $300. Which is probably a good deal, but again if I had the money to buy a new gun right now, I'd probably buy one of their Zastava M70's before the Beretta.
This meme needs to die. I'm 5'8 with medium sized hands, thick hands as well. Thick hands make it even harder to grip around stuff. So my medium sized hands hold stuff like small hands would. And yet, I have no problem reaching ANYTHING on my 92, as a matter of fact it's my favorite gun to hold.
It's most likely soyboys with the grip of toddlers who have a hard time gripping anything thicker than a pencil.
Is that a good deal? I want my first Beretta but sure what to get. I don't care if it's used. Thoughts any anons $300 for one seems damn reasonable.
$300 for a beat up 92S is a decent priice, probably the best you're gonna get these days
$400-500 for a 92F/FS is your next best bet
There represented a bunch in movies
Pretty accurate here, the 92(like the USP) was good in it's day but really not relevant these days unless you want one just to have one.
Beretta people just seem to have more class than others
*not sure
beretta doesn't get wanked because until 5 minutes ago it was the military issue sidearm and nothing our military issues makes people feel special
It said slide west was minimal. Is that just bullshit? Otherwise I'm not concerned really. Are they going to go up like other guns have? I'm a college poorfag but would really like to add one to my small collection of it's a good deal.
CZs are a meme, they're very good pistols, but a meme here on Jow Forums specifically. I don't understand why Beretta isn't more popular or held in high regard myself.
I think it's the marketing, Beretta doesn't really do much marketing that I'm aware of. And 92fs/m9 got a bad reputation from soldiers who were using beat to shit ones, when they would come out of service they'd tell everyone their Berettas sucked. Of course 1911 fags jumped on this ship and sailed it all they could.
I've done my research into the subject, because it seems like the forgotten pistol. But it turns out, it's one of the most reliable guns out there, it's pretty light for a metal gun, very accurate, and a soft shooter.
Some user stated that he thinks it works better as a civilian/officer gun, not a gun for middle eastern dusty environments, yes the m9s didn't do so well with the fine dust in those regions, but the modern Beretta handguns have since corrected this problem. Being in California I wish I could get the M9A3, but it's an off roster handgun.
So I bought a Beretta 92fs for a REALLY sweet price from an old guy getting rid of his collection. Gun is older than me. It's now my bedside gun. Too big to CC all day comfortably but I've been spoiled in that regard due to carrying sub-compacts.
If I could find a Beretta Compact version I might switch to carrying a Beretta. Pic of muh nightstand gun.
>complying with the law
I carry a gun every day without a permit. It's not the complying, it's the fact no store will sell me one. Is it legal for me to go to Arizona and buy a hand gun?
they were like $200 a couple years ago when CF? or someone similar was importing them by the crateload, and they've started to slowly creep
but if it's got minimal wear than I'd go ahead, ~300 seems to be the best you're gonna get from what I've seen
they're also really nice guns so that's always a plus
a fucking chocolate
M9 is ur mum m8
Agreed, but even the 92 isn't very innovative. It's just a double stack P38.
>Taurus 92 has the frame safety.
>I carry a gun every day without a permit.
Thanks user I think I'm going to. It'll be closer to $400 I imagine after taxes and transfer fees but I don't want to be the guy bitching next year about not finding any for thst cheap again. The 92 is gtg? It's what catches my eye/nostalgia the most
ngl, as OP, Hong Kong movies plus a certain pirate bitch plus not being a whole month of income makes a Beretta really tempting. And the metal ones def look super aesthetic to me but then again I grew up watching a ton of Hong Kong action movies with mom.
Honestly 5'9 with girly hands (well at least they're like my mom's) and a friend's Mak felt roomy so I figure I might be just on the edge of being comfy on a Beretta
Slavshit pistols used to go for that a few years ago (I helped an old buddy shop for one) so that sounds super good to me
Lol for real, mate. Who who want a gun made by some of the most retarded people on earth?
based berreta
Maybe if soldiers weren't retards and leadership could have a little faith in them, we could actually get some not retarded, no-added-safety glocks.
I'm honestly surprised they creeped up as fast as they did but I guess that's just what happens when fudds realize they can make a profit
the 92S is pretty legit, I really dig the "heel" mag release because it's much easier on my softboy thumbs than the 92FS mag release
my dad got one for $400 not too long ago even though I strongly advised him not to but after handling it a bit I actually like it a bit more than my 92FS
>I'm honestly surprised they creeped up as fast as they did but I guess that's just what happens when fudds realize they can make a profit
No shit, it's like anything that can be deemed to be vaguely collectible's had their prices blow up
Wow that's interesting. I just saw it has a heel release and desu kinda turned me off. But I'm being a fag right? For the price and everything it's really not a big issue? Just seems so out of place to me.
1. Soldiers are retarded.
2. Leadership absolutely cannot trust them, that is why they have so many leaders.
3. Optional frame safeties are on thousands of great pistols, don't give Glock points for being too cheap to put a safety on one until the Army demanded it.
4. Nothing about that post was about Glocks, safeties, or soldiers. You are probably a marine.
5. Five is a number that comes after four. In Crayon-speak that's yellow-green.
I used to think the same but it's actually pretty comfy if you're going to grab the mag anyway rather than letting it drop to the ground, but that could because I'm a thumblet and my thumb doesn't reach the FS mag release without changing grip
Like most Italian things, looks great, performs inconstantly. 9mm 92F notorious frame cracking problem. High capacity but lighter guns like G19 are preferred by poorfag mall cops, governments, military desk drivers who buy them in bulk. 1911 shoots better, hits harder.
I have literally never heard of frame cracking issues with 92Fs
italian slides cracking yes, but never frame cracking
I just realized that too after he said it, and to me that actually made it more appealing. Though I understand why you wouldn't like it. Personally I enjoy the little oddities and abnormalities in gun designs, it's what gives them character and makes them stand out from the rest.
>performs inconstantly
You are full of shit.
>9mm 92F notorious frame cracking problem
Educate yourself before you talk out your ass.