.224 Valk > 5.56

Near .243 performance in a 5.56 OAL

Yeah pretty much.

As of 3/31/18 The .78c drop to .51c is quite significant. Also, the availability of rounds are picking up w/ more retailer carrying reloading dies and ammunition in general. Also gun manufacturers are starting to produce more .224 Valk rifles.

It's a step in the right direction for a caliber that has been hover above sub par status for a while now.

Oh, I can totally get behind that if it ever gets out of boutique hell.

>As of 3/31/18 The .78c drop to .51c is quite significant
its been 51c for over 6 months now dude, this isn't new, because we've had this thread before and everytime this round is still wildly overpriced

and thats not even match shit.

Federal is pushing it pretty hard, a lot of companies picked up on it right away. They're trying to meme it into popularity like they did with .300 Blk.

and its out of stock across the board.

Match loads comparable to .308 pricing with comparative energy over greater distance packed in a smaller round. Why are you fighting it?

also price point drop was much more recent than "6mo's ago" as of 3 months ago it was right around .78c

OW LAWDY. IT MUSS BE REALLY POPULAH TO BE SOLD OUT
I BETTA BUY AN UPPER

Out of stock across the board?
What outdated resources are you using to source ammo?

>Match loads comparable to .308 pricing with comparative energy over greater distance packed in a smaller round. Why are you fighting it?
because theres way more support for 308 and similar match/precision/hunting rounds. Even 6.5creedmore has better support and I'm not interested in buying new barrels, new receivers, new dies and everything when I already have rifles that use rounds that perform as or even better for any purpose I could want.

sgammo, targetsports usa, slim pickings everywhere for this new shit. The same reason I don't do a 300blkout build because its no where near as cheap as 7.62x39 because its too new.

Call me when this shit approaches .223/5.56/6.5grendel price levels.

I'll keep you fuckers informed, Valkyrie will out do 5.56 in every way. Mark my words.

that's not how it works

Thats what they said about .260 remington

I reload 300blk for a lot cheaper than 7.62 commie... Getting dedicated brass may take a while until other companies jump on board. Starline already makes 6.8 brass so I expect them to start pumping out 224 brass pretty quick, or you can probably just neck down the 6.8 stuff. I just hate using my brass catcher so I'm hesitant to invest in brass that's going to get chucked all over the place... Hopefully I can range scavenge some brass from rich people...

260 has a stupid shoulder angle...

.224 is the new meme caliber that will die off in a few years, like the short magnum craze from 10 years ago.

Doesn't matter at all. It never caught on because it's a meme cartridge that is only marginally different than all the others.

>making fat chode cases instead of long and thin so you can fit more ammo in the mag

Trying to make everything compatible with ar15 parts is devolution.

This is both the right comparison but also the wrong reason for it.

224v out of a 16.5" barrel with 90smks matches the drop and drift of 308 with 175smks from a 22" barrel all the way out to 1000y.

308 however still caries over double the energy throughout however. So for someone looking for a much more compact target gun both in barrel and action size the 224v has a place.

From the other side of it, the hunter that is comfortable to 223 for harvesting, but is looking to pick up an additional 150-200fps at the muzzle with bullets they trust will pick up some extra range, mpbr, and energy within their normal ranges.

Now if either of those two disciplines will be enough to keep the cartridge in common usage years down the line is another story entirely.

>I expect them to start pumping out 224 brass pretty quick,
this round has been around for almost a year and production hasn't jumped. Good luck.

This, it'll be like 45 GAP and 40SW

we just need to keep making shill threads

This guy gets it. Both rounds have a place, I believe the Valk has a permanent place, even if for right now it's a meme round.

it won't do anything but reinforce shitposting.

thats what they said about 260rem

It's the most comfortable platform to work with and has a hell of a lot more available parts. I do agree however that we need to change the engine fuel instead of the gas capacity of these rounds.

Turns out star line is already making brass... But it's sold out because it's so popular. I like their small primer 6.5 stuff.

.45 GAP existed because Glock wanted to make it, they wanted .45 in a short frame. No one asked for it, it didn't serve a real purpose, and for some odd reason the mags had lower capacity vs their standard .45 models. Virtually no one but Glock supported it. Only a couple agencies adopted it because Glock gave them free guns.

This isn't comparable at all. .224 Valk got pushed by Federal, and 10 different manufacturers were producing rifles for it before 2018 even started.

>Valkyrie will out do 5.56 in every way

>heavier cartridge
>larger diameter case
>less rounds per pound
>less rounds per magazine
>lower muzzle velocity
>dependence on a long barrel

What do you even think 5.56 is for? Here's a tip: it was never picked for being the king of performance.

You win some, you lose some. The 260rem had its own flaws that buried it. .224 Valk in the most popular caliber projectile on one of the most universal platforms which ballistics that match some of the best contenders. If this round dies it's because goat fuckers keep smack talking instead of admiring it for what it is and it's capability as a compact round.

260 remington a shit because you cant get heavy bullets in mag length.

6.5 creedmooron the otherhand

Taking a shit tier round and bumping it up quite a few notches.

I don't see the problem?

People citing ballistics charts are literally the equivalent of benchracers citing laptimes and horsepower numbers on /o/

They should take their shit tier rifles and bump them up

Thats why you need to go out, buy and build a car, right? So you can prove a point.

literally non-sequitur

Out of all the arguments, this is 1 of 2 that I agree with.

> data is bad, give me anecdotal info
Typical peep trash...

>omg don't buy that car it is literally SHIT
>see look at this laptime on a track you've never been to let alone will never drive on, this proves what ever car you prefer is shit because it got beat by 1.52 seconds hurr

>60-90gr
That's a little light. Can it take elk at 400 yards like 6.5 grendel? Looks a lot like a paper puncher or a squirrel molecularizator.

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No you probably can't. Its why many people who hunt elk won't use 308 because its on the lighter side, they'll use bigger rounds like 30-06, 338, etc

and yes 224 was literally developed for precision shooting, if you want to use it for hunting it'll probably have the same abilities as 223; to take whitetail and other deer.

>Looks a lot like a paper puncher or a squirrel molecularizator.
It is, its best to think of it as 22-250 or 220 Swift with a little less ass, but lots of built in support for heavy for caliber loads.

Now you can have your varminter that does pretty well as a target rifle at range too.

120+ grain expansion in the works

>People citing ballistics charts are literally the equivalent of benchracer
This reminds me of the reloading fudd I met at the range telling me how great his loads were on paper until I offered him to use my chrono and he got pissy telling me it wouldn't prove anything. After other shooters started to use it and compare notes he packed up his shit and left.. Good times

>elk at 400yrds with 6.5G

seems sketchy to me

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There is essentially no advantage to .224 Valkyrie over 5.56 in an otherwise-typical light rifle or carbine with a red dot sight. 5.56 is a very fast, flat-shooting round at short range, and you're not going to be hitting at long range without a scope and something to rest it on.

.224 Valk belongs in a long-barrelled gun with a scope and a bipod, and now that you're in this class, it's facing all sorts of other competition than 5.56. For example, it does not in any sense outperform grandad's .270 Win. So we're entering the muddy waters of a compromise round, and everyone's got their reasons why it's better if you tilt the balance just a little.

LaRue-senpai said we could. Do not question him.

I'm allergic to peanuts =(

There is essentially no advantage to 5.56 over 5.7x28 in an otherwise-typical light rifle or carbine with a red dot sight. 5.7x28 is a very fast, flat-shooting round at short range, and you're not going to be hitting at long range without a scope and something to rest it on.

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I am actually unimpressed with the performance of the 6.5

I hit a medium sized white tail in both lungs and part of the heart and it still ran 20m

>Hornady SST

Gets the trajectory of creedmoor with the energy of 5.56

To be fair, you can work up a ladder on paper without a chrono as long as you have 2-300 yards to work with on paper. The important thing is to find an accuracy node demonstrated on the target that is in safe pressure ranges.

A chrono will just tell give you a base to math out your ballistics once you know that node.

Grendel is too slow

Enjoy your long range .22.

t. Grendel

Bullets aren't fucking magic, kiddo.
Any animal can jump up in shock and run a couple dozen yards until it runs out of oxygen in its blood unless the shot also affects their upper CNS. The same applies for all mammals.

Enjoy your short range rainbow trajectories

t. Creedmoor

I mean, Hajis have taken .50 BMG and started to run away holding their guts in before keeling over.

YOU'RE TOO SLOW YOU WHORE

Please do not be mean to other cartridges, unless they insult 6.5mm, Alexander-sama, or LaRue-senpai.

The exact same thing was said about .300BLK about 2 years ago, now it's so mainstream you can buy the shit at walmart.

>its so mainstream
>7.62x39 - 20cpr
>300fagout - 55cpr

I'd rather just do an AR pistol in 762x39

5.56 has a higher muzzle velocity than either .224 Valk or 5.7x28. Don't try and pretend like these claims are remotely comparable. 5.7x28 has credible use cases, but it's obviously not comparable to 5.56.

I'm responding to an idiot who's saying .224 Valk is simply better than 5.56 for all purposes, when it offers essentially no advantage in the typical 5.56 application (i.e. neither the gun nor its carrier prepared for serious long-range shooting) but brings several disadvantages.

Both those cartridges suck

No shit they aren't magic. Thats why caliber fucking matters. Deer always dropped dead in their tracks when I used .308.

6.5 is adequate for white tail, but it is not enough for Elk and anyone who has shot a deer before would know that

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because 300 did something no other rounds in that class were doing. There were literally no other rounds to fill this niche outside of pistol caliber builds in 9mm or 45acp.

>lungs and heart
what did you expect, the same effect as a brain shot? 20m is like 65 feet, that's barely a couple seconds of panic running
shoot it with a fucking 50bmg next time

>ALL HAIL TEAM MINI
>ALL HAIL TEAM VALKYRIE

>No shit they aren't magic. Thats why caliber fucking matters. Deer always dropped dead in their tracks when I used .308.
caliber literally doesn't matter as much as you think. Shot placement is absolute key in getting a kill, this is why people can hunt with 223 even though it doesn't have the raw power of 308 the whole "stopping power" bullshit is just that, bullshit.

>5.56 has a higher muzzle velocity than .224 Valk
If your going to lie, be better about it

>hurrrrrp I know dem bullits aint magic
>but dat der .308 is magic ah tell u huwhat
Fuck me you're too stupid to help. The exact same thing could happen to you with .308, dipshit. No animal is going to experience instantaneous brain death because you shoot it in the fucking chest. Taking out the heart and lungs does not guarantee instant reliable incapacitation. Hitting heart and lung with .308 is literally the same as doing it with 6.5 Grendel. Unless the projectile manages to disrupt the upper CNS the animal isn't guaranteed to drop in its tracks, there will always be a chance for it to jump up and run before falling dead.

You fucking shit eating fudds need to just stop posting.

Ha! I laugh at your inferior range and nonexistent stopping power!

t. 408 cheytac

you dont know anything about a bullet until it is fired
you hope one bullet acts the same as the next
you dont get multiple shots at the same target when hunting
>so.. you shoot a bunch at the range to learn how the round acts, and you write down a bunch of stuff about it, hoping that the quality control of the manufacturer makes the next round work like the previous ones
congrats, you just made a retard ballistics chart for yourself. if only somebody with access to better measurement techniques made one for each round they manufactured so all sorts of people knew how the round worked
oh they do, it's ballistics charts
fuck off

>More like Mini > Peanut Butter > Chocolate > Peep > (((creme))

Tru that, But when he was trying to school all us AR guys on how great he was and why we sucked for using store bought, the look on his face when I went back to the truck and pulled out a chrono, And no one had do mag dumps to run his ass off, priceless.

What does this newest meme cartridge do that 22-250 doesn't?

>.408
Grandpa, your too fat. No one wants you around anymore. Literally everyone wants the other skinnier version of what you were.

t. .375 cheytac

if he was a reloader and not excited to use as many expensive toys as possible he wasn't a fudd, fudd overengineers 20 times and fires once
he was just a dumbshit

No you fuck off this is literally /o/ tier fuddshit

>you don't know anything about a car until you drive it
>you hope this car gets the same laptime as the next
>you don't get multiple tries when you're racing
>so you try a bunch on the weekends trying to figure out how the car handles
>oh yea thats right you aren't going to be fucking racing this thing, its a daily driver and no one gives a fuck about 0-60 times or laptimes on some track you've never heard of let alone will ever drive on.

>hurr fuck off, this round is better because look at this piece of paper that says so, your bullet is shit because of it
literally a benchshooter.

Fit in an AR15 magwell

hell just swapping barrels and tons of other stuff just about your GUN in question would make all the ballistics charts irrelevant because thats all you're jerking off to.

Its like the fags who say "well my bullet flies way faster than your shit" but will never cite a barrel length, twist, what kind of barrel, the maker or anything. Its literally the reason why the same 55gr bullet doesn't act the same in every gun omg why is that? oh yea its because the gun (metaphorically equivalent to the driver of the car) is a huge factor too.

Its the same shit as fags who say "that gun is shit its a 3moa gun" and they've never shot one, they have shit trigger control and haven't done anything to isolate variables.

This shit matters but not on Jow Forums where everyone is an expert on some gun they've never shot.

Mini4lyfe nigga

yes, you've never read a review of anything at all ever before you bought it.

>hurr i tried to use 45 acp to kill a deer at 400yd, it'll work right because its a bullet and all bullets are the same, you're not a competition shooter fudd are you hurr
i think you might be mentally deficient

>omg listen to this review of some guy, hes qualified because he drove a track you've never been to and don't give a fuck about

>>hurr i tried to use 45 acp to kill a deer at 400yd, it'll work right because its a bullet and all bullets are the same, you're not a competition shooter fudd are you hurr
No one fucking said this you god damn retard.

>you dont know anything about a bullet until it is fired
Only if you are retarded and can't do math... That's literally what ballistic calculators are for....

>empirical data on something is bad
>only subjective experience has value
>except when it makes me look stupid

Go buy a KSG and blow your fucking brains out on a livestream.

>hurr fuck off, this round is better because look at this piece of paper that says so, your bullet is shit because of it
thats exactly what you said. why compare rounds on paper, just hunt with what you have
you don't do that because you know a few things about how bullets work so you make some assumptions about what bullets will do. ballistics charts take that one step further and give you an idea of the relative differences between bullets
you seem to think that's a bad thing.. that's why you're mentally deficient. good luck hunting with whatever good enough round grandpappy left in the attic

thats literally my point you fucking mong

>OMG THIS BULLET IS SO AMAZING
>ok great I already have a gun that can do what ever I'd use this new bullet for
>NO ITS GOT A FLATTER TRAJECTORY ITS S U P E R I O R
>Ok I don't care because I'm already doing what ever this thing would be used for and have no issues
>THE BULLISTICK CHARTS SAYS SO HURRRRR
>ok out of what gun? What barrel? what twist? what climate? temp? pressure? humidity? barrel length?
>HURR IM AN EXPERT ON EVERY GUN IVE NEVER SHOT.

Its like some poorfags at /o/ were too poor to buy anything other than a shit civic so they got into guns and regurgitating everything up and down the wazoo

youtube.com/watch?v=N1Sw8fe9hJI

literally see the video above. Citing a ballistics chart for a bullet as if it'll perform the same out of all rifles, what none of your shit has said is what gun and all the things associated with "what gun?" Because if your ballistics charts are for this particular bullet out of a 26'' barrel but I'm not using a 26'' barrel I have a 22'' or a 20'' then those don't apply at all. I might not get the muzzle velocity which means I won't get the trajectory and I won't get the same performance at all because you (and tons of other people) aren't going to buy the same equipment to replicate the data in the charts. Its the same retards who think that 308 can easily hit 1000 years, which i actually can very successively but not having the appropriate equipment to deliver it, none of that matters and the ballistic charts don't apply. Its the same dogshit I see online people citing ballistics and stats like they're a wiktionary for handgun loads but every ballistics chart they cite is out of a 5'' barrel but if I'm not using a 5'' barrel none of that applies and it can't possibly be expected to be the same.

So yea "this bullet 'ballistics' is better" doesn't fucking matter if we aren't using the same gun in the same conditions