Stop the ATFs Bump Stock Ban Mega Thread

>THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ AND REPLY TO EVERY COMMENT YOU SUBMIT

Ok faggots, third time is a charm. We are going to repeat our previous success and flood the ATF with comments for their “Proposed Rule-Making Re-Bump Stock Type Devices.” THEY ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO READ AND REPLY TO EVERY COMMENT YOU SUBMIT. You may remember anons did this previously with other ATF rules changes under Obama, specifically, when they closed the trust “loop-hole” for registering NFA devices in non-NFA friendly states, and attempted to ban Green Tip ammo. We delayed the trust rule by one year, and they actually took some of our advise and removed the LEO signature requirement, and we stopped the Green Tip ammo ban altogether with 80,000 comments. This is proven to work so it is worth anons time.

Follow this link: federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/29/2018-06292/bump-stock-type-devices

Make a comment regarding why you do not approve of the rules change. Be polite, be specific, and its best if you make it custom, and as long as possible so they have to read the whole thing. I will provide suggestions in the posts below as to what you can say, or what to bring up in your comments.

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If possible print out your letter and send by snail mail. ATF added this suspect comment to this round of rule making:

>“All comments must reference the docket number ATF 2017R-22, be legible, and include the commentator's complete first and last name and full mailing address. ATF will not consider, or respond to, comments that do not meet these requirements or comments containing profanity. In addition, if ATF cannot read your comment DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES and cannot contact you for clarification, ATF may not be able to consider your comment.”

Do not make a copy a robo letter and submit the same thing over and over as they will throw it out.

comment submitted

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Questions and points to put in your letter to the ATF:

-How can the ATF define “Single function of the trigger” to include a finger “bumping” off the trigger repeatedly and therefore functioning the trigger each time?

-What will happen to all the current bump stocks in circulation? What about their owners?

-How does ATF plan to prevent criminals such as Stephen Paddock from making bump stocks from readily available parts at Home Depot for under $35 dollars, such at a metal bar and two screws with washers connected to a firearms grip and stock?

-Will ATF consider a metal bar with two screws and washers to be a machine gun if also present in the same dwelling as a semi automatic firearm, since they may be “readily restored to shoot” as a machine gun in ATF's determination?

-Will holes drilled in a pistol grip or stock be considered a machine gun in the same manner ATF considers holes drilled in certain areas of a receiver to be machine guns?

-Does ATF plan to regulate an individuals finger which can bump a trigger rapidly without assistance from bump stock type devices?

-Will this rule regulate belt loops, which can be “readily restored to shoot,” a semi automatic firearm in the same way a bump stock does. Will a belt loop be on the same level as a shoe string which ATF has classified as a machine gun in the past?

-Will wearing pants with belt loops be illegal while operating a semi automatic firearm under this rule?

-Does ATF or Congress plan on allowing citizens a legal method to register their previously owned bump stocks on the NFA registry?

-Will the act of bump firing a firearm be considered “making a machine gun?'

Feel free to add some points of your own. Please spread this far and wide, lets beat the high score of 80,000 comments.

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>All comments must reference the docket number ATF 2017R-22

Be sure not to forget this

We already have a thread on this topic. However, this is important so I'll restate what I said over there.

Don't swear. They'll delete your comment.
Be sure to answer at least one of the things they want comments about.
Use your real name and address, or they'll delete your comment. For safety, don't post the exact words you said here.
READ THE SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION. Call them out on their own lie.

Here's the biggest problem with this rule change:

This statement, when referring to anything currently on the market (which they say it does in the supplementary information):

"these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun by functioning as a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that harnesses the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm in a manner that allows the trigger to reset and continue firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter"

IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT, and they say enough to indicate they know as much in the supplimentary information.

Why do thy require your real name and address? Why no profanity?
Seriously what kind of fucking bullshit is this?

Meh, these should be banned under the NFA.
Repeal the NFA instead.

its called government bureaucracy

use it to your advantage

No, they shouldn't. They simply facilitate the technique of applying two simultaneous functions to the trigger manually, not automatically, in order fire rapidly.

Of course if they redefine "function" to only mean "pull" so the push doesn't count, and continue to insist that holding your finger still counts as a single function of the trigger even if the trigger moves away and resets, they could still technically ban them...extremely dishonestly.

Know what's more important than which candy you were randomly assigned?

Fighting this. If this happens boys, next year it'll be on semiautos.
Don't let these threads die

I really like these.

They have to answer these right?

Yes, in a public forum.

- Will the ATF consider rubber bands a bump-stock style machine gun?

- Does the possession of a pack of rubber bands equate to multiple violations of the NFA?

- Does this mean that Staples is an unlicensed dealer of illegal NFA items?

>and include the commentator's complete first and last name and full mailing address.
So basically I have to give up my right to privacy and submit my contact information to an agency that has proven hostile to me having basic human rights in order to have the illusion that I have a say on what this agency does.
How about No.

You're a genius, I'll be using these

Just use a fake name and address behind proxies. Fuck them. I’m not giving my real name or address.

Team mini does not support the bumpstock ban in any capacity. We at team mini whole heartedly support the Second Amendment.

No. They're not going to be able to check its validity, just use this:
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>35,709 public comments
It never ceases to amaze me how powerful this autism is.

>Does ATF or Congress plan on allowing citizens a legal method to register their previously owned bump stocks on the NFA registry?
and will re opening the machine gun registry only be for bump stocks, or for true machine guns as well?

Those were all from january. The new ones have to be reviewed.

Holy shit. they got 117,212 this time and aren't accepting more right now

Thank kek for an actual thread among all the foolery going on
PS why does 4chin put a red squiggle under kek?
PPS PB best team

What's specifically incorrect about this? Other than "convert it into a machine gun" I don't see anything obvious.

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just a little flooded

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Ok I stopped it.

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Worth a shot I guess.

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Does the rubber band thing actually work?

where are you getting that number? I'm only seeing ~36k on federalregister.gov

regulations.gov/docket?D=ATF-2018-0001
the 37K was from january.

Yeah, may not be as easily controlled as a bump stock but definitely works.

Let me see if I get this straight. The ATF plans to change their minds on what the NFA says without having congress or the people vote on it, right?

After they read half a million autistic Jow Forums comments, yes.

That's why your "neighbor" is going to write them instead

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full-autos are already banned. whining about bump stocks seems like pissing in the wind.

Says the fag ok with giving up his giggle switch.
not an inch.

Ostensibly, it's probably to make sure that only legal citizens that actually exist can provide input, although I don't know if they actually check that.

(It probably adds you to the ATF's registry)

What's interesting is nothing is mentioning echo/binary triggers, so they seem to be safe?

Nothing is safe from grabbers

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For the time being yes. The language in the proposed regulation does not cover the echo or binary triggers at all. Nor does it touch good triggers like geissle.

Yeah, I'm not happy about the possible bump stock ban, but at least only bump stocks are on the chopping block right now. It's far easier to fight/delay these rules one at a time. We just have to keep fighting the good fight even if all it does is delay the inevitable, and who knows, maybe we'll win like with M855 if we sperg out hard enough.

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Yeah those are the comments received so far

Look at the proposal for 3/29, it says not accepting comments so it might be down again?

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>Numerous persons commented that bump-stock-type devices do not fall under the statutory definition of “machinegun because, when attached, they do not change the mechanical functioning of a semiautomatic firearm, and still require a separate trigger pull for each fired round.” They noted that bump firing is a technique, and pointed to many other ways in which a shooter can increase a firearm's rate of fire without using a bump-stock-type device.
>The Department disagrees. The relevant statutory question is whether a particular device causes a firearm to “shoot * * * automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.”

Sticks and belt loops will be classified as "machine guns" following this interpretation.

Just submitted mine :)

Like I said, all "bump stocks" you can buy today do not in any way "harness the recoil energy", and firing rapidly with bump firing requires "additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter," albeit by shoveing the entire receiver forward and moving the trigger with it, and you can still do this without one of these stocks, so it obviously isn't the damn stock.

No, they're planning to change "harness" to mean "direct" and "physical manipulation" to mean "fiddling it with your trigger finger and nothing else because motion is not really relative." We are entering 2+2=5 territory with these people.

So its just a case of "we say it's the way we say it is because we said so." If that's how its going to be, is any amount of comments going to help?

>a lawyer has to read each comment
think about how fast government likes to work, then imagine how fast they would get through merely 10k comments, let alone 100k.

Right, but even so they're still just saying "yeah, but we disagree and we have authority so fuck you."

and we can fuck them right back by burying them in bureaucracy.

By the time they review all the comments there is a high chance the REEEEEE from the grabbers will be gone and no one will care enough about it anymore. Or if they do ban, millions more bump stocks will get into the public arsenal making confiscation/buyback even less appealing.

their is actually a bill pending to allow veterans to register bring backs, but the law is pretty strict, it will check to see if you a veteran AND if the gun is actually a bring back.

So no drilling a bunch of holes in Ar 15 recivers you just bought and registering them

Bump

>wtf i hate civic responsibility now

Well since these people are determined to defy reality, and are asking for comments about what to do with the stocks already out there, might as well ask them to re open the machine gun registry if only to anyone who bought or made one of these things.

I thought bringbacks were considered looting since vietnam?

Allowing full auto bring backs? Imagine some dude just bringing back loads of Dshkas to sell to civies for 50k+

>tfw no slav wife

Is one required to declare that they have a bump-stock when they purchase one or are purchases recorded somehow? I know almost anyone can pay cash for a rifle and never have to worry about the gubberment knowing. If who owns a bump-stock isn't recorded by the ATF how do they plan to confiscate them?

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>AR
>AK Bumpstock

What did he mean by this?

Full autos aren’t actually banned though, just arbitrarily restricted

according to how I understand that I read- they are counting on people to destroy them themselves with a hammer and toss them out.
Yes, really.

>cheapest machine gun can be bought for$9500
Theat is a De Facto ban user.

I seriously think that bump stocks should be illegal. They have no use in hunting nor target shooting.

>I seriously like it when the ATF agent shoots my dog before fucking my wife.
Fixed that for ya.

>thinking (((democracy))) works

Obama didnt ban bump stocks despite NRA pressure to do so, why eould trump?

This shits going to affect Binary Triggers isnt it?

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>2019, ATF raids multiple Staples locations across the country

>Staples managers burn their stores down to avoid capture

>Ion Horiuchi is there

He thinks that he can placate the left.

You should be on board to ban cars that can go over 65mph too then, right?

Yes, the bill in Congress states it has to be a bring back pre 1968 when they passed the GCA which banned machine gun imports.

They did that to get around the "shall not be infringed" technically you can still exercise your right, just for 30k a pop.

I know exactly how their legal gymnastics work user, my point was it's still a ban.

shit like this is why poll taxes were banned. it's a defacto ban if you're making it too expensive for people to enjoy.

Nobel prize-holders, the lot of them