Future Navy Frigate

If its anything like the new LCS class its gonna fucking suck. I worked on one of the new LCS's. They come from the yard needing full repairs.

I fucking love this post. The death of all am*ricans will be a glorious thing.

Needs plasma, and some hypervelocity.

Hedging my bet on FREM.

Memes aside, China's warship construction is indeed IMPRESSIVE.

Take this big, fat integrated mast for example...

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...And make it double.

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*sigh**

FREMM please

Realistically stuff like De Zeven Provincien and Admiral Gorshkov are the best frigates out there. But they will of course buy lockmart crap for a billion per ship.
>Lockmart
>cost-effective design
Lockmart, pls.

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>evaluating warships purely on the total amount of weapons carried

They're gonna go with a slightly modified LCS-1 design

not because it's actually better or anything, but because Lockheed is well connected and that's how the DoD does business

like LCS-1 it'll be overpriced and unreliable and underperforming

none of this should be taken as a defense of LCS-2 which also sucks

Lockmart please fuck off, no one is buying your excuses.

How many Renhai cruisers are under construction right now?

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A slightly older model, the current offering has the VLS move to behind the gun and the other to behind the landing pad. 30mm guns were dropped too as the RFP didn't ask for them..

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Doesn't matter, they'll be staffed with Filipino transwomen either way.

>boats
Man you village people are retarded

>it's okay if the ship has no weapons because half the systems don't exist and the fire control for the remaining half can only work when it's a new moon
>It's still a warship okay

That complete lack of argument.

Good thing LCS have weapons then.

That complete lack of armament. Lockmart please fuck off.

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The Spanish offering is interesting since it's basically just a mini-Burke.

LCS has AShMs and RAM's. It's not a destoryer replacement nor a frigate.

It will be a freedom variant, based off of the Saudi frigate (which is actually pretty well armed).

I wonder how many saying the Freedom variant will be picked are even aware of all 5 competitors.

Is this Armatard?

I am aware, and it will be an LCS variant based on cost of the start up of the other 3. I say freedom because they are already building a similar ship for the Saudis.

I don't find any of the other competitors particularly likely. Though the idea of the Navy using a Coast Guard cutter is sort of a hilarious mental image to me.

DZPs and Ivar Huidfeldt's would have been unironically better at the intended role for a fraction of the price.

No navy should have the units intended for fucking brown water fighting be boutique shit that sends a billion dollar of your naval budget down the drain anytime they get hit by a missile that costs a thousandth of that

LCS has 21 RAM's. That's a decent defense.

FREMM is 1000% unlikely and the Coast Guard one is going to make the navy piss and moan about not getting better toys than the CG so that leaves either LCS 2 Electric Boondoggle, LockMart, and the spanish ship.

Freedom and Independence are honestly not hard guesses to make.

I hope FREMM is chosen for the RCN as well

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>for a fraction of the price

>FREMM is 1000% unlikely

Why?

Because of all the many, many foreign warships the USN has used in the past.

The fact that three of the offerings are US vessels and the fourth is basically a Burke should tell you something.

Sort of topic, but why does the US Navy call corvettes "littoral combat ships"? They're exactly the same size and role afterall, why make up a new (awful sounding) designation?

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So no actual reason.

The actual reason of "The US Military vastly prefers homegrown designs" is a reason. There's been some exceptions, like the Stryker, but never for the Navy.

>why doesn’t the USN use my personal pronouns

That’s a nice meme.

They are light frigates intended for countering non-symmetric threats and providing economic US Navy presence around the globe.

How is it a meme? It's a historical fact.

I didn’t know Corvettes did ASW or MCM.

It is a historical fact that the US uses a lot of foreign designed equipment as long as it is built in the US.

If you can point out all the foreign-designed ships i'd love to hear it.

Also ships built before or during the civil war don't count

Those goalposts though.

Its not ghey if it's on the moon

I’m sure you can point out the foreign designs that filled a need before FFG(X).

What weapons does that thing carry? I don't see any.

Look harder, and then look up the mission modules.

1 57mm
2 30mm
8 harpoons (not pictured)
SeaRAM

I'd imagine it'd be the Bath Iron Works/Navantia Alvaro de Bazan style, considering that it would have to go through the least amount of design changes for American service, and has many pieces already on it that are familiar to USN sailors. Also, more VLS (48 vs 16) compared to FREMM.

The LCS is far ahead of anything in its class. It is far better than the Buyan-M which is the Russian equivalent.

>People also bitched about the platform not having enough missiles, but those people are idiots for wanting a mini-Burke.

No the morons who wanted a several hundred million dollar ship designed purely for shooting terrorist in rubber boats that could not engage peer level opponents in a conventional war in the first place are the morons. You are also a moron for thinking putting a cluster of harpoon missiles on the ship makes it into a mni-burke.

Memes aside the chinks have done a much better job of implementing a ship based around the street fighter concept (the concept that served as the whole rationale for the LCS) than the americans have.

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>concept that served as the rationale for the LCS
>zero anti-sub weapons
>no confirmed AAM capability, not even a lead-paint Ilga
>No concept similar to the mission modules

If anything, the Type 022 reminds me of a larger Pegasus class hydrofoil.

LCS is not a street-fighter type of ship.

>tfw fighting pirates with the LCS is probably more of a drain on the economy than just letting them have free reign

I fucking hope a half billion dollar corvette can beat a ship that probably costs 50 mil per unit

Pretty sure that LCS are not meant to be a modern PT boat.

The latest variant costs over a billion dollars, so it's unlikely. Maybe if you cut down the number of VLS

they have finish building 2 and outfìtting them
4 are in dry dock

Buyan-M is better than that bullshit

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>modularity concept doesn't work due to module hardware logistics and sailor training requirements.
It didn’t work out as envisioned, but it does work to create modularity in the fleet overall. If the navy lost a specialized ship like a Cyclone or Avenger that capability is gone. With the LCS, even if it takes several months to refit the ship and reorganize/retrain the crew, that’s still better than having to build a whole new ship or use something like a burke in a low-end role.

I don't understand why people bitch about the apparent lack of armaments. Look at what the ship is designed to do and quit comparing it to a destroyer. Do you bitch about mine clearing ships only having .50 cals onboard? Does the Navy need SM-2's to chase down pirates or drug smugglers? Does sub hunting require VLS?

Hello fellow redditor, people will selectively compare military hardware to get the results they want.

Example A, Blacktail videos.

Does not require it, but it sure is nice to plop a torpedo right on top of your contact rather than let it hear it coming.

>Blacktail

Oh dear god, thanks for reminding me

The LCS was never supposed to be a frigate in the first place. It was a direct response to potential unconventional threats like fast attack boats and diesel submarines, as well as a way for the Navy so sneak in a new minesweeper into the budget because Congress was never going to give them a real replacement to the ancient Cyclones and Avengers.

I didn’t know subs could hear helicopters.

What we need are 50,000 ton Destroyer-Carrier hybrids, with a full squadron of fighters + AWAC's, plenty of VLS spread externally around the ship like the Zumwalt, and a well deck because helicopter/tilt rotor resupply is insanity.

They can, and sub launched AA missiles are a thing being developed
The idea that you can just freely hunt subs with choppers or cargo planes will become a thing of the past soon.

>What we need are 50,000 ton Destroyer-Carrier hybrids, with a full squadron of fighters + AWAC's, plenty of VLS spread externally around the ship like the Zumwalt, and a well deck because helicopter/tilt rotor resupply is insanity.
How many billions will that cost?

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If produced in a shipyard that was capable of ship production on a globally competitive level? Not very much.

>If produced in a shipyard that was capable of ship production on a globally competitive level? Not very much.
Does the USN have one of those?

no, the US doesn't have one, so its necessary to develop one first, with union busting and embracing automation/modern tech.

>with union busting

It's a long time since the US had Unions capable of anything but being the scapegoat after the owners plundered the company or just failed at capitalism.

>I genuinely don't understand what the point of the LCS was. If they wanted a frigate, why didn't they just make that the program from the beginning?
to deal with possible iranian closure of the persian gulf

The USN does not have direct access to a low wage, low environmental regulation shipyard.

>they can
>but not actually

>no, the US doesn't have one, so its necessary to develop one first, with union busting and embracing automation/modern tech.
How would you do that?
>It's a long time since the US had Unions capable of anything but being the scapegoat after the owners plundered the company or just failed at capitalism.
Where we are talking about building one of the biggest shipyards in the world, I'm pretty sure they would want to be part of it.
>The USN does not have direct access to a low wage, low environmental regulation shipyard.
Yes, build it in Puerto Rico.

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>wanting a shipyard that builds weapons of war to be staffed by bottom of the barrel workers.

>because existing development process is working so well

zumwalt, lcs, ford, type 45(uk)...

>blaming design problems on the shipbuilders

You are an idiot.

Idiot

Buyan-M are glorified barges that are way below Chinese technological advancements. Those go up and down rivers like the Junks in HongKong and will never be a match for the superior Type 022 vessels that are literally made to kill American carriers. Ever wondered why the American Navy are always flustered and get into idiotic situations when they are near the Chinese mainland? It is because the threat of the Type 022 is so huge that it forces them to not sleep at night. They are only there because American politicians do not have a regard for their lives and would rather get more money from Japanese taxes for their bases.

>blaming labour when the admirals and the execs are the ones lining up their pockets
cuckpitalism, everyone, you're brainwashed

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