Would the introduction of advanced new jets turn the tide of ww2 in germany's favor or would it have been too late still?
>pic related: The ta-183, even though never built, was influential enough inspire the f-86 sabre and the mig-15.
Would the introduction of advanced new jets turn the tide of ww2 in germany's favor or would it have been too late...
Caleb Torres
Jaxon Perez
If Germany could produce a few thousand of pic related then maybe the Allies would cease bombing raids due to catastrophic losses. The Allies could try using the Meteor or Shooting Star as escorts but I imagine they would not fare well against a Ta 183 or an Me 262 HG III.
However, it is inevitable that Germany would get nuked. Whether this is enough to force their surrender is debatable.
Andrew Turner
Fun fact: they did produce some jets and they did see combat near the very end of the war. They were prone to malfunctions and they had a very limited fuel supply, making them very dangerous to fly. To land they had to basically conduct a controlled crash landing
They didn’t turn the tide of the war
Caleb Stewart
>Fun fact: they did produce some jets and they did see combat near the very end of the war.
Any non retard knows this. I'm talking about if they had the ta 183 or maybe this thing.
Kevin Sanders
>short answer
no
>long answer
noooooooooooooooooooooo
Samuel Parker
Assuming Germany managed to build a few thousand of them, train a few thousand pilots, and not suffer crippling fuel shortages, then they might have been able to stall the strategic bombing campaign for a little while.
Carson Evans
Yeah nukes are a problem.
Jace Fisher
Ummmmmm
If your war machine is slowly grinding to a halt, it is unlikely a small supply of a certain peice of equipment would turn the tides, save maybe being first to develop the nuke.
Logistics win wars. If they couldn't sustain a successful war effort with ME109's, they probably couldn't do it with something using even more fuel and complicated maintenance and training.
Adrian Baker
No
Gabriel Murphy
amerimutt p80 and the british meteor were worse in every way to the 262 except armament. The 262's mk108 cannons had shit muzzle velocity and couldn't be used against fighters effectively. In the areas of speed and effectiveness the 262 is superior.
Andrew Nguyen
>Would the introduction of X allowed Germany to win?
Unless X is “nuclear weapons and ways to deliver them consistently,” no.
Very no.
Luis Gutierrez
If they had the production lines running in 36 maybe.
Henry Sanders
The Meteor also had engines with 7 times the lifespan and a superior design in general. Meanwhile the most effective tactic the Germans developed for the 262 was to strap a bunch of unguided rockets to them and try to shotgun a bomber group.
Elijah Stewart
>If only Germany had...
>What if the Germans did...
>Imagine if Hitler...
If you ever find yourself asking these kind of questions, stop and read a history book instead of posting these shitty stale threads
Owen Robinson
>Would the introduction of advanced new jets turn the tide of ww2 in germany's favor or would it have been too late still?
It would have exacerbated the fuel and material shortage had they pushed for large scale production early on and would not actually solve several of the key issues the Germans were facing in the air. Best case scenario (a term I'm using very loosely here) is that they end American day light bombing raids, however they would likely just join the British at night and create even more devastating fire storms. It also wouldn't be sufficient in dealing with the late war issues of B-29's, an issue they never found a solution for or for that matter actually faced.
Alexander Richardson
>In the areas of speed and effectiveness the 262 is superior.
Effectiveness how? Speed is a function of effectiveness. As is a useful cannon. You throwing out some vague wehraboo bullshit makes me think you’re making it up as you go along.
Julian Brown
Lucas Myers
Would a fancy new jet stop a million angry, armed slavs marching over the ruins of East Germany?
doubt it
Logan Adams
No, even the jets Germany actually fielded had a ton of problems and the 262 had far worse engines in terms of reliability and lifespan than the Meteor, and further improvements to the Shooting Star and Meteor weren't far down the line. Unless they can solve the lifespan issue they're gonna be stuck with a lot of grounded planes, and if they're more advanced than a 262 we can assume they can't just use them as throwaway fighters like they would do with the He 162. Assuming they did come up with some type of magic super engine you still need three things, fuel, people to fly them, and mechanics to keep them from breaking down, all things the Luftwaffe had little of during 1945. Even if you do get your magic nazi jet a good amount of them are gonna be sitting on the ground being a waste of money. And if they're not in the air that means that they're not stopping Nigel and Cletus from bombing everything out of existence from the west and it won't help with Ivan bringing rape from the east.
Germany's problems were bigger than a single jet and no amount of wing sweep could save it.
Lincoln Cruz
>introducing jets earlier and in larger numbers would not have helped as much as preventing the election of certain candidates to heads of state
...namely the executives of America & Britain. Russia was already a foregone conclusion after the Red Revolution.
>all hitler had to do was choose to go after *either* stalingrad *or* leningrad* -- not split his forces between both and vainly hope to beat the winter snows -- while strengthening the "axis lake" doctrine of the mediterranean to support the campaign in africa and the middle east with the intent of acquiring oil and rubber and ores and vast fortunes worth of resources which the allies could neither spare nor project forces to counter
Carson Fisher
>maybe this thing.
Very much in flux
Joseph Walker
After careful consideration, I believe an excellent use for ONE Genie's Wish would be to transport with perfect German & Russian fluency in the correct contemporary military uniform of each individual's choice *every* person who's ever done all three of the following at least thrice each:
>started a thread on Jow Forums & Jow Forums
>posted in a thread on Jow Forums & Jow Forums
>read an entire thread on Jow Forums & Jow Forums and been mad or triggered at anything in it
>ever said, typed or thought the term "soviet russia" or "third reich" with fondness or nostalgia in a conversation which touches upon anything possibly connected to world war ii
..; all such people -- living and dead (the dead being resurrected for this purpose) -- restored to perfect health in a thirteen-year-old, peak training version of their body, shall be sent back in time to a randomly selected town within ten miles of a point exactly halfway between Berlin & Moscow on the morning of Christmas Eve, 1937, each with externally undetectable direct neural interfaces allowing effortless lurking & posting from anywhere on a perfect copy of the internet as it exists in *this* timeline concurrently from the time of their disappearance from *this* timeline.
You're autistic enough to play if you read that.
Logan Ramirez
No, what are they supposed to do? Even if we assume that they had enough raw material, fuel, trained pilots, etc. - which they didn't - you cannot expect fighter/interceptor aircraft to make a difference when everyone else is falling apart. They might allow you to reduce a bit of damage taken from strategic bombing, but none of that helps when the enemy infantry is capturing your airfields one after another.