On the heels of selecting the Boxer CRV to replace its ASLAVs. Australia is looking to replace its fleet of M113s with a new IFV for hopefully a 450 strong fleet plus another 17 manoeuvre support vehicle (big gun variant).
Likely contenders:
Lynx - Rheinmetall
CV90 - BAE Systems
Puma - PSM (Rheinmetall/KMW)
ASCOD2 - General Dynamics
Unlikely contenders:
K21 - Hanwha Defence
Tulpar - Otokar
Namer - IMI
Which one should they get?
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why no bradley?
Surplus M113s when?
I want to drive a metal box on tracks for reasons.
Obviously they would opt for germans since that's where their sweet jobs are offered
CV90 pride worldwide. Puma suck my dick.
kurganets-25 since you asked for
even though im german and love the Puma...i also admire the astethics of the CV90!
>australia needs to replace ASLAV
With what, a Magyar?
Lynx.
ASCOD2 or CV90.
Why can't Strayans design their own metal bawkses? Even third world countries can do it.
Because it costs a shit-ton of money that you'll likely never make back?
because they don't want to fuck it up like the naval projects
Probably with a different turret. The Lance turret would look tits on this.
>single lift in C-17A
that's like no limitations
Keen to see whether Australia adopts the MMP or Spike 2.
Is a 30 millimetre gun all but confirmed?
Because BAE sells CV90’s.
Which hull is the most armoured?
To add, BAE is heavily invested in the CV90 and only continues to work on the Bradley because the US operate a large number of them.
Why the fuck does our government insists on buying completely new vehicles and throwing out the old ones.
Why can't they upgrade the ASLAV's?
Now THAT'S an IFV!
If only it had ATGM's.
Namer and Puma.
Its just a Marder with a new turret
>No Chinese tender
Pretty idiotic if you ask me. Since internet experts did say China is fielding the best IFV.
>Why can't they upgrade the ASLAV's?
ASLAV: 13t
ASCOD: 28t
CV90: 35t
Puma: 43t
The ASLAV is a little baby compared with those vehicles. Its a much heavier class.
Because they're old, beaten to shit vehicles that have no further room for upgrades. It's a good thing they're are getting replaced. The ASLAVs were also upgraded throughout their entire life in the army.
buy from your best cousin USA!
The Czech are also looking for a new AFV. This guy did a neat write up on it and most of the contenders are the same.
below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com.au
Because they're old, they're up armoured as much as they can be and the armour is still paper thin, the engines struggle with inclines too. Not conducive to a good ifv.
Buy german
Beautiful.
>kraut
It'll be the Puma.
The Namer would be the best contender if it wasn't so a) Israeli, b) fuckoff heavy and c) fuckoff expensive.
>Puma
why do krauts hype so hard about it?
Looking at its development history was almost like a nightmare
In AUS's case, because they bought the Boxer and may as well go full kraut for the sake of simplicity.
If not the Puma then the Lynx.
Chinese netzins saying China strong is irrelevant.
Now that Australia picked the Boxer CRV an APC variant is the best choice to replace their M113’s.
Because BAE is selling superior product to Aussies. CV90. Reality is that Bradley is one of the oldest western IFV designs and it was stuck in development hell for a while, virtually everyone else could simply learn from mistakes US Army did by virtue of doing stuff bit later and using common sense. Warrior is pretty much only western IFV that is worse than Bradley, that is mostly due to shitty armament, current main gun is loaded with 3 round clips.
It’s funny because the only IFV that’s superior to the current Bradley is the Puma.
whats the difference between Lynx and Puma, looks like same kraut shit
bradley with busk is equivalent to the puma
and it's sold to gulf countries whose procurement plans are heavily subordinate to the US
A Puma costs twice as much as a Namer.
Lynx are a Marder with a Lance turret.
Puma, Lynx, CV90 and ASCOD are all superior to Bradley. To an extent that most buyers don't even bother do RFI for Bradley when they have IFV tender.
Hull. Puma is pretty heavy for IFV, Lynx is based on Marder and it is bit lighter and cheaper.
So far only export clients for Bradley are Saudis and Lebanon. Saudi deal was complicated and included F-15E's, AH-64's, Abrams and Patriots as main attractions, Bradley was something of a side dish form them. Lebanese got handful as military aid for free.
I really, really, really like the ASCOD2
>To an extent that most buyers don't even bother do RFI for Bradley when they have IFV tender.
How could they do an RFI for the Bradley when BAE only offers the CV90?
They mail them and ask? As much as BAE might prefer to sell the CV90, odds are they'll prefer selling the Bradley over selling nothing.
Do you even understand how RFI’s work? It’s extremely rare for a company to respond with multiple offerings.
>country X puts out an RFI for an IFV
>BAE responds with
[] established export vehicle with heavy company investment
[] vehicle that is functionally property of the US Army
Puma is "high tech" IFV and by far the most expensive one you can buy. Also by far the heaviest non MBT hull IFV. (Its 3 tons lighter than a T90).
Lynx is "low tech", basically just a modernized Marder chassis. They claim its new development. But its clearly a Marder hull.
There might be a reason why Bradley isn't competing for sale. Australians never made request of information for it.
>It’s extremely rare for a company to respond with multiple offerings.
General Dynamics has offered both Pandur and Piranha in multiple tenders over the years.
If only the Canadians would start looking for something new as well instead of upgrading the LAV.
Ascod2 and with BAEs MPF-Manoeuvre support vehicle on the Ascod2 chassis. That would appease another two large companies based in Australia, and politicians can do the whole ''create jerbs'' tidbit. Rheinmetall again for the gun or try and maintain commonality across platforms selecting one type turret/gun.
BAE could offer pic related as well if there is requirement for fire support vehicle.
>General Dynamics has offered both Pandur and Piranha in multiple tenders over the years.
You mean different national branches of General Dynamics offered their respective vehicles.
When you don't want a big dumb expensive turret