Looking at buying a high quality revolver. What does Jow Forums think of the Manurhin MR-73? I can get any model imported new from the factory for $2,800-$3,200. Pic related is the 4” Gendarmerie model at the top of my list
Also looking at the Colt Python and Korth Mongoose.
Dan Wesson 715, only revolver worth owning.
The man is Talking about Manhurin and Korth and you bring up Dan Wesson like it's even in the same universe.
What is the ideal barrel length for the MR73?
I want to import a new one some day but can't decide between 4, 5, and 6.
Few people on Jow Forums are rich enough to afford something like that. You should probably ask somewhere else.
Depends on what you’d use it for. I’d go with the 4” personally. The 6” makes it too long for anything but target shooting IMO and even the 5.25” seems like the factory can’t decide if it was supposed to be a defensive gun or target gun
It's a collector's item with an odd gimmick and a limited production before the company went out of business. The Python and Mongoose are quality firearms but the Python will probably be a safe queen. The build quality on the Korth is better too, just get one of those if you want to shoot it.
Wait, my brain told me Medusa for some reason. Sure get the Man Urine if you want but the Korth is still going to be better.
>Manurhin MR-73
best piece you'll ever buy.
Go with the Korth mongoose instead. Better customer service.
Also Mateba is reviving their autorevolvers
>Also Mateba is reviving their autorevolvers
I am saving my money now.
This
Save your bux for a meatball
If you can swing it: get the Manurhin.
Korth's are rare, but they're only becoming more common over here.
You buy a new Manurhin and treat it well, it will appreciate in value.
Pic related
>What does Jow Forums think of the Manurhin MR-73? I can get any model imported new from the factory for $2,800-$3,200.
Do not buy a new one. While the current production ones are nice-looking guns with a good quality of manufacture, they are fundamentally different from the originals that put the MR-73 on the map.
If you were not aware, the original MR-73s that were used by the GIGN were made by the French government-owned Upper Rhine Arsenal in Mulhouse. These Mulhouse guns were the ones made to incredibly high standards and without considering expense. Some years later, when the entire Mulhouse region went bankrupt and the arsenal there was closed, a private firm, Chapuis, bought the rights to manufacture the gun and have made it ever since. Chapuis is a worthy enough company despite having no real history to speak of, but the focus of their production is on luxury firearms like African safari rifles that see little actual use rather than things like the original MR73, which was designed to endure tens of thousands of .357 Magnums.
As such, you are probably better off taking that $2800 and looking for a used Mulhouse MR-73. A refinished one with replacement grips can be had for ~$800, while one that's shooter grade but is in good shape with its original finish and grips should not be more than $2300.
>Also Mateba is reviving their autorevolvers
Proof? I should probably sell mine now then.
>le MR73 and Colt Python meme
Please don’t. The MR73 isn’t any higher quality than a pre-lock Smith like the Model 66. Unlike the MR73, you can buy holsters and other kinds of support gear and Ruger revolvers hold up well to large diets of magnum ammo and also share a lot of aftermarket support.
The Python is easily the most fucking overrated revolver. Period. You will find more joy in owning a decent Smith or Ruger and spend all the rest of the money on ammo and training how to properly utilize a revolver and not be some guy with a really neat revolver, thumbcocking it for every shot like a fag.
Revolvers are gay anyhow so do whatever you want lol
>spending thousands of dollars on a revolver
>considering anything else besides a Colt
What the fuck is wrong with you?
mateba-italy.com
They're currently looking for a main importer
Spoken like a true imbecile. Colt Pythons are most definitely overrated mechanically. That I can agree with. Even a modern Smith is functionally better. Pythons are only held in high regard due to their looks and scarcity. That's as far as any knowledgeable person can agree with you.
But MR73s. The original ones, are another thing altogether and cannot be compared to the shitty Python in any way. Not even the Ruger revolvers are as well built as those were. Mr73s aren't just a meme, they're the best revolver out there, only Korths discontinued Combat Magnum model can compete.
Welcome to Jow Forums, I hope you learn more about guns while you're here on your stay, in the moment, please refrain from posting until you learn there are other guns than the ones you see in /v/, thank you.
Yes OP you're gonna spend quite a bit for one of those bad boys. The worst part isn't the 3k but the year long wait for it to get here. I'd go with a 5.25 inch personally.
In the meantime, to satisfy my classic DA/SA revolver needs, I bought me a Smith 586 as a beater gun
>Welcome to Jow Forums
You're about 12 years late on that.
Do they drop test that French crap to make sure it's surrender proof?
>they're the best revolver out ther
based on what metrics besides some Frenchman spending autistic amounts of time polishing every edge or whatever some dumb shit. Truth is: you can’t get a good quality holster for your hipster surrender gun and you most certainly will never subject it to any sort of high round count that will make picking it over a Ruger a reasonable choice.
Well, I know it's not nearly in the same league as Manurhin or Korth or Dan Wesson or what have you, but my Match Champion is waiting at the FFL for me to pick up on Saturday, I'm fucking stoked. It'll be the first non shit tier gun I own.
Anyone else own one? Thoughts?
What about the 93?
congrats! Listen, I have owned expensive revolvers, and Rugers and smiths. Honestly the only thing that comes close to the tank feeling of the MR73 is a GP100. Its a completely different gun, but you made a very good choice, and you should be happy with it.
user... five words for you. Invest. In. Wilson. Combat. Springs.
>The MR73 isn’t any higher quality than a pre-lock Smith like the Model 66.
They're made of better steel than any Smith, including the pre-lock, pre-MIM ones.
About 5 years ago Century Arms was selling police surplus for $300 each.
I own a Python made in 1969 and I still shoot it regularly, I'll occasionally use it in IPSC matches. The Pythons aren't as fragile as people say but they're still more fragile than either a Korth or a Manurhin and when they go out of time its a nightmare to get them reset. I only bought it over the others because nothing looks like a Python and I'd never be happy until I owned one.
Yeah, that's pretty much why I got one, I want a gun that can take some abuse. I tend to be rough on my things, and I don't want to feel bad about taking it with me to camp or whatever. I almost just got the regular GP100 until I saw a deal on the Match Champion for $685, I had to jump on it.
I'm iffy about that. I'm going to EDC it so I like a nice hard trigger pull in double action, I am a little paranoid about giving myself glock leg when I reholster. If I need a smooth trigger pull for precise shooting, that's what single action's for.
You people really need to stop having obessions with some guns like that. Whether it's the MR73, the Sig 550 or whatever gun people somehow hail as the best ever.
Just stop, this is honestly cringy to read.
When you can get the same energy/ballistics out of a plain Jane semi auto, there's no good reason to get a revolver in .357. Get something that starts with a .4 and ends in magnum if you're going with a revolver. Because with those cartridges you get something that you can't get out of a semi auto unless it's heavily modified and/or a huge gun.
Eurofag who owns both a Python and a variant of the MR73 here. I´d probably pick the MR73. The Python is fantastic, don´t get me wrong, but the MR is a lot more rugged while also being finely made. Get both if you can. MR73-trade-ins are sometimes imported and can be bought for cheap. They might look kinda beat up, but they´re still fine shooters.
I wouldn´t really bother with current Production Korth, they´re not as great as the ones that were made when Willi was still around.
Well, what do you want to do with it?
Yeah, Matebas are a thing again, might consider one of those as well. They are apparently cheaper than MR73s, like 2.5k or something.
The 586 is literally the "I couldn´t afford a Python so I settled for this instead" gun. I agree that the Python is severly overrated (people saying it´s the best gun ever made), but it´s still leaps and bounds above most older production Smiths.
Because they're better revolvers? Do you even know anything about Dan Wesson, child?
you didn't read the thread, this post was honestly cringey to read.
Eh, springs are typically worth it and I would image Wilson Combat has a decent choice of weights you can get. I like 9 lbs D/A on my carry revolvers
10mm loads reach 41 Magnum levels of performance tho.
Personally bro, I'd just get a smith model 27 or model 19. Unless if you just *want* to pay top dollar for something. If you're wanting a collector's piece get a Python.
Something to consider is *no one* actually fires their collector's pieces, you may take it to the range a couple of times when you first get it... but then you start asking yourself it it's really worth shaving a few hundred dollars off that 3k gun's value to regularly take it to range.
It's like Damascus steel, people get this notion that they really want to use one in their EDC, then they feel bad about potentially damaging something valuable so it just stays in a display case or drawer.
Maybe it's a blue collar form of thinking that goes away when you make X amount of money... But to me, if you're getting a car, make sure one you will regularly drive or else it's not worth it, same with guns.
The reason is money. Sure, you can get a 10mm semi with comparable performance to a .357, but you'll either pay well over a grand for it, or you'll get basically a scaled up .40 with a frame that's not really meant to take thousands of rounds of 10mm. You can pick up a decent used .357 for under 500 bucks.
Also, revolvers are pure sex, get your fugly blocks out of here.
I shoot my Python a lot, even in competition.
But I don´t use full-power loads.
Hmm. Maybe I'll order the kit, it's only 10 bucks with a few different weights. But I really don't see the need for a lighter DA trigger pull, I'll have to see what I think of the stock trigger first
Frenchfags that have compared the chap vs mulhouse mr73 say they are the same.
Chapuis makes the guns on the same machines with the same steel (probably Albert duvall) and fits them using skilled proffesional gunsmiths.
The old ones are cooler because of their history. I also think the old Target models might have more trigger work.
Chapuis allegedly had some trouble with the early production, which isnt unusual, but the newer prod guns should be just as solid as the old ones.
Om looking for a mulhouse one so i can compare mine
The metric is the french tests, its merits in non american sports shooting and its small size/weight and high strength
>Stop liking nice stuff richfags reeee my m&p AR and ruger is just as good. JUST AS GOOD!
LOL. The hottest 10mm loads don't even come close to hot .357 loads, let alone .41 mag. Maybe they do if youre talking about pussycat .41 handloads.
boomers get the bullet too
Not only that, but they're going to be made in several calibers. Like .454 casull.
I btfo'd you before. Back for more? Check wiki, check independently compiled data, check whatever you want senpai. .357 is much weaker than 10mm, hot .40 and .357 are about equal.
Remember that saami fucked 357, 44 and 41 in the ass and lowered the pressures, euro/asian magnum ammo is hot as fuck. Old Norma 357 was 158gr at 1500 fps
Then we can compare norma 10mm.
Taking a look at vv loading data 357 can tale about 200fps more at the same grain bullet, the 357 has 1 1/2 inch longer test barrel. 7 vs 5.5
From what i can find its 200gr @ 1200 ft/s
Slightly less or comparable to 357
The original Manurhin models are divine. In 1999 Chapuis bought the rights; they're still excellent firearms (I know firsthand that french SF still use MR 88 for pistol training) but the current machining process is different, and inferior IMO.
The mongoose is also a divine revolver, but you pay a hefty premium for the name.
Also, both the Korth and the MR are best in 5.25”.
tl; dr: Pre-1999 Manurhin if possible. Otherwise Chapuis MR 73 if you prefer resilience and master craftsmen folding the gun a million times, Korth Mongoose is the money really isn't a problem and you want cold perfect machining. Both shoot so well that it comes down to personal preference.
To add on what that user said, you can find secondhand MR 73 that were used for cash transport, with worn finish but never fired.
Most of the cheaper service guns are >4inch with fixed sights tough, but they're solid as fuk.
>what do you want to do with it?
Since it'd be a collector gun I won't be running it hard all the time, though my understanding was MR73s can take that just fine.
It'd be a mix of larp/authenticfaggotry with french forces and target gun. I was mostly between 4 and 5.25, maybe 6 but that's lower down than the others.
this, while manurhin is good, the customer service is going to be horrible because the machining still require hand made parts and adjusting, so no one but Chapuis Arms can do it. Unless yo uare french i advise you to not buy it unless it's for collecting purpose
These things are meant to be shot, don´t worry about it.
Either barrel length is fine I guess, maybe just get one of them if you find a good deal or soemthing.
>The hottest 10mm loads reach the weakest 41 Magnum levels of performance tho.
You dropped a couple words there :^)
The GIGN weren't the sole operators of the MR73, some specialised police and gendarmerie services also used it.
Then due to its high price Manurhin helped by Ruger produced the MRF1/X1/Special police, later renamed MR88, which was a rather crude knock off of the MR73. And quite a shitty revolver overall, at least compared to the MR73.
Due to the price of the .357, the GIGN began to train with .38 special instead. The GIGN's armory documents show some revolvers fired more than 150.000 rounds each. Only the grip screw was changed.
Also, the last armorers from Mulhouse who worked on the MR93 (pic related) went into Chapuis when the company bought the MR73 production line machinery back.
The MR93 was a very modern-looking and rather accurate revolver but a complete industrial dead end that the company attempted to save with the MR96 which never delivered the performance required dueto cheap materials being used, then they shut the production line down.
Some vids of the 93:
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Manurhin still exists, they're still world leader in the business of ammunition-making machines.
But everything else they did was bought back by other companies or just abandonned, including ammo for various weapons up to 30mm, rockets and rocket launchers, and many other things, including Sig 540 rifles at some point (the ancestor of the Sig550 bought in emergency by french paratroopers due to the lack of Famas F1 in 1978)
Here's a complete article on several pages from an old french magazine presenting what the manurhin society produced back then.
>littlegun.info
You can probably convert these pages into a .pdf then use some word converter to then auto-translate the text if you're interested.
The mr88 is more a refinement of the ruger gp100 than a knockoff of the mr73
In general, I would argue 4" is the carry gun, 5" is for combat/gunfighting, 6" is target/hunting.
>The 586 is literally the "I couldn´t afford a Python so I settled for this instead" gun.
Rude. I love my 586 for what it is.
>Something to consider is *no one* actually fires their collector's pieces, you may take it to the range a couple of times when you first get it... but then you start asking yourself it it's really worth shaving a few hundred dollars off that 3k gun's value to regularly take it to range.
This has been my experience with the P7. But not because of the value, but because its worse to use than my Expert in every way. I think that's probably the case with more people than would admit it.
I owned a pistol pack with 4 bbl lengths for two decades. It's quality is comparable to a pre-lock smith. I don't know why this board loves to larp about how DW is some "premium" product. It has never and will never be the equal of a Manhurin and it's not even on the same planet as a Korth.
I second this: the 586 is a great bit of kit. It's nothing special but it handles fantastically and is finished to a respectable standard. It's like a Corvette or an M3: really well done but not to the level where I'd feel bad beating on it.
Its not tough, its a stronger than K frame Smith 357.
Really good guns
Frog here, I'm desperately trying to find a 4'' police model (the one with fixed sights).
They are becoming more and more unobtainium here, If you can redirect me to somebody who has one and ships to France, I would gladly suck your dick.
I just recently saw one for sale in a french online shopping for 500€ or something, Ill se if i can find it again
Dude if you, as a frenchman, can't even find one, then what fucking chance do I have of finding one here in the states :(
I'm looking for a very specific, very on-demand model, you should be fine.
A lot of stuff gets exported here before it gets onto the market in the country it's from.
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