german fag here
soon to be licensed hunter
going to hunt for deer, hogs and maybe fellow at some point
what hunting rifle would you recommend and in what caliber
do not wanna spent more than 1,5K on gun and scope
also general hunting thread i guess
Cheap would be a CZ and a S&B Klassic Hungarian model.
You should totally get a Blaser though
270
even the second had blaser rifles I could get hold of are quite expensive here
I do not know how good 270 win mag is working on hogs, also I am required by law to only shoot lead free and in 270 they seem to be quite expensive
what are your thoughts on .30-06?
>30-06
>good enough for gooks
>good enough for chinks
>good enogh for nips
>good enough for krauts
>good enough for durr
>good enough for a kraut to kill hogg
1.5k is what you'd expect to pay for a shitty durr gun? An American can go to Walmart and get a Savage and a decent scope for 600.
Jeez, sometimes I feel sorry for Euroshits.
>asking Jow Forums
Try wild und hund or something like that.
.30-06 is indeed the mainstream option. 8x57 is a bit weaker but still okay, .308 is the lower boundary for hogs. Some guys go for 9,3x62 for driven hunts where aim is less than perfect sometimes.
As for rifles, there's literal tons of options and they all shoot straight. Just check your local dealer and get the one that fits your hand and doesn't break the budget. The scope is actually more important than the rifle, but I never much got into that, so do some research yourself.
>muh MURRICA
>what is reading comprehension
There's new guns at much the same prices (and second hand ones of much higher quality too). OP just happens to not be a poorfag. We also don't take potshots at animals and let it escape when we fuck up like the average murrifudd, which is why we need scopes.
nugget and irons, you can probably get one for free along with some ammo with a metal detector
7.62 russian kills anything dead and the sights are adjustable to 2000 arshini
could be worth a shot, opa found a Stihlhandgranate 24 once while plowing
>.30-06 is indeed the mainstream option
>.308 is the lower boundary for hogs
Talking out your ass cunt....
There is plenty of guys dropping hoags with .223r and even .22lr....
Personaly i wouldn't use a .22lr... but to call a .308w lower boundary is a joke.... and 30-06 is nearly identical....
>We also don't take potshots at animals and let it escape when we fuck up like the average murrifudd
Doesn't matter when you hunt with assault weapons. Just hold down the trigger and I've got some nice fresh venison chorizo and all the boys within a couple miles'll hear and come and bring some eggs and hominy and we'll share a nice brunch with scramble and sausage over grits. That, my foreigner friend, is real socialism, and the good local kind too, not the national kind you have over there. It's a good life and it's a shame you can't live it but live and let live is what i say you feel me
I would go with .30-06. Not only is it widely available (though I’m not German but I’m pretty sure it’s availble almost any civilized country that allows hunting) but personally I find it fun as hell to shoot. Like said it’s trackrecord has long been proven.
ja, it probably will be the one I am going for
something like this in the end:
egun.de
One that can double as a kebab-remover when the need arises: Brass-up your shells and run like hell.
A .270 is literally just a flatter shooting 30-06.
Just get whatever is most economical for yourself though.
But its really not that big of a deal, any full size rifle caliber is going to kill a hog.
Look more into actual brand quality more than caliber.
t. Texan whos dealt with quite a few bigass hogs
Tikka T-3 in .308 or .338
I’d go for it user. Looks great.
cz has some pretty cheap rifles for hunting, also savage in general is really cheap. at least as far as american prices go, I'm not quite sure what prices in Krautland are.
as for calibers, get a full size cartridge that will be economically suitable for you, some decent calibers to look at are 7.62 nato, .30-06, and .270. all of them will take out deer or hog or just about anything in Europe. .270 tends to be the flattest shooting but is a bit more uncommon than 7.62 NATO or .30-06. check out prices on German ammo and maybe do some research into ballistics and caliber range, figure out what works for you.
I'd suggest something in .308 winchester, that way you can use whatever NATO ammunition comes your way should the need arise. Stay safe brüder.
also I should add the Savage Axis and Savage 11 are pretty quality rifles for under $500 (American prices tho, but they couldn't be too much worse in Germany I'd think).
>all these total faggots in this thread naming every autist brand they can to low key shit on Remington 700s because they are too poor to afford one so they FUD them like a crypto
Eat shit faggots.
Savage is shit.
Tikka is shit.
Remington 700 is the supreme leader.
Heil.
and also bankrupt.
Ok faggot good for you.
They still make the best modern bolt gun ever created.
If he can get a used one. Aren’t the new ones shit with rust issues?
>best modern bolt gun
>so modern it shoots its self!
>and children!
Its not a design flaw, its a feature!
Is that a Luger brand Mauser?
>t. Cerberus corporate shill trying to parade old remington as nu-remington
You fags will be lucky to get 50 million for the brand and it's designs. THAT is how badly you fucked the brand within 10 years.
yes, what I do not like about it is the double set trigger
Well, the Mauser action is about as good as you can get in a turn-pull rifle, but what's wrong with the double set trigger? If you're shooting at stuff with an 8x scope I'd think it would be nice to have. Is the standard trigger particularly heavy?
lol .30-06 sperg
I just find them a bit old fashioned, I'd prefer a standalone trigger with adjustable trigger weight
Aussie here, about to get a ruger American ranch in 5.56. What do you folks recommend for a scope to shoot foxes, feral cats and dogs with that isn't going to break the bank?
Was geht mein Neger?
Like others said you can find good deals on used guns.
As long as the gun isn't total dogshit you can save some money there.
A used CZ550/M98 with scope mount bases (important) can often be found for around 350-450€.
As far as calibers go stay with the popular stuff. .30-06, .308, 8x57IS, 7x64 (and maybe 9,3x62 for areas with a lot of brush (it's shit for driven hunts; way too slow)) are all good to go.
If you have something apart from those calibers the ammo selection drops dramatically (at least here in Germany).
Whatever you do, DO NOT get a gun with a Suhler Einhakmontage (SEM). In 9/10 cases it's a financial catastrophe if you ever want to put another scope on it. The locking surfaces of the scope mount need to be fitted by hand, which can cost up to 700-900€.
For a scope I wouldn't go below the Steiner Ranger series, preferably Meopta r1 & r2 (but that's just preference). Please don't cheap out on the optic, especially if you're gonna use it for hunting in anything, but broad daylight.
You will regret it.
See:
egun.de
>already has a swing mount; just buy a good variable scope with illumination and you're set
egun.de
>scope mount; possibility of also getting the scope
auctronia.de
Also Jow Forumsraut gunsmith AMA I guess.
>Suhler Einhakmontage
I just looked this up.
You Germans really do believe in space magic.
Hogs in Europe tend to be bigger. Sometimes very big. Black bear is probably a better point of comparison than North American hogs.
They did. They don't anymore, and haven't for several years in fact.
Yeah, if you can find a used, pre-freedom-group-700 in good condition, that's probably better than anything else you can buy.
But if you can't find such a thing and are buying new, Remington is just about the worst choice you could make. I'd rather buy a fucking hi-point carbine and hunt with that.
I don't know how big the deer are in germany...I couldn't imagine them being very big...but the boars might be an issue given the thick skin.
Pick a premium bullet, and if possible become friends with someone who reloads. Then you can use his press (and in the future buy the dies for your claibre without having to buy the press n shit) to reload rounds that are specifically sized to your rifle.
I was using cheap ammo for a long time. I got into reloading, sized my chamber and discovered that I had to seat my bullets nearly 1/4" shallower than the cheap ammo I was using. My groups tightened so much it's not even funny.
pic related
>and maybe fellow at some point
The most dangerous game...
Not him, but whoever says our wildboars can be taken with .30-06, but that .308 is a bit weak, should have their hunting license revoked.
The energy and speed difference is often so minimal as to be irrelevant.
Also in short barrels (
>I don't know how big the deer are in germany...I couldn't imagine them being very big
Red Deer are closer to Elk or Reindeer than whitetails or blacktails.
Roe Deer are tiny though.like juvenile whitetails.
>I was using cheap ammo for a long time. I got into reloading, sized my chamber and discovered that I had to seat my bullets nearly 1/4" shallower than the cheap ammo I was using. My groups tightened so much it's not even funny.
Bang on here. I really wish this would be impressed upon more new shooters. Ammo selection is just as important as the rifle itself and the optics. Cheap ammo is cheap for a reason. Ancient surplus shit is fine if you just want to mag dump into an old appliance in your backyard, but for any serious shooting, you need to spend the money, either for quality factory ammo, or for reloading equipment.
No, you're right about that, the difference between .30-06 and .308 is negligible, not enough to matter in hunting applications.
I was just talking about the idea of going after them with .223 or .22LR.
I know Germanons can have AR-15s and the like, but I don't know if hunting with them is allowed. I wouldn't want to deal with European hogs or boars with a bolt .223. Certainly not .22LR
Whoops didn't mean to reply to you.
Yeah you can actually hunt with them, but there is a size and energy restriction for hunting.
At least 1000 joules at 100m for roe deer and at least 2000 J + >6,5mm bullet diameter for anything bigger.
.222/.223 is an extremely popular round for roe deer and foxes over here.
>1.5k on a hunting rifle
I'm not one to bring up durr rifles but that seems a bit excessive for a hunting gun. Also has anyone hunted with black powder? Heard it's an interesting experience, with the added bonus of being unobtanium for grabbers at the moment.
1.5k is a drop in the bucket for hunting rifles.
You get what you pay for.
>1.5k on a hunting rifle
>excessive
It's Germany. 1-1,5k € for a hunting rifle with a non shit scope is lowest tier entry-level.
It's completely different from the US market that's geared torwards cheaper hunting rifles.
Steyr Mannlicher SM12
Blaser
Sako 85
If you can afford it a Mauser.
I second this. .270 or a .243 but .270 would be my first choice.
>.243
Ammo selection is abysmal here and it's also not legal to shoot anything bigger than a roe deer with it in Germany.
>.270
Good round, but the ammo selection is still bad on the german market and most retailers won't have it stocked.
>do not wanna spent more than 1,5K on gun and scope
In that price range you'll get a decent used gun and a gaaaarbage scope.
I spent roughly that amount in 2012 for a new TC Venture in .308 and a used Nikon Monarch.
Decided it was time to upgrade so I got a new Tikka T3x in .308 with a Zeiss Conquest instead.
But the thing with hunting is that even if you spend all the money, it's really just dependent on luck anyway.
Remington Model 721 in .30-06
Is it legal to drive over to Austria and stock up on ammo and bring it back to Germany with you? .270 should be readily available in Austria.
Yeah it is, as long as the Austrians will sell it to you.
I mean you can still get it in Germany, but definitely not in the same variety or quantity as .30-06 or 8x57IS of which every little mom'n'pop gun store here has at least eleventeen and a half different kinds.
I really like the 8mm Mauser if you can afford one of those and the ammo is cheap and available I would recommend this round as well.
>8x57IS
If you're german this is your only option.
Dont blow it and get it chambered in anything other than 8mm mauser.
mauser.com
Also try and get Frankonias Jungjäger Paket.
Get's you 20% off of most rifles, shotguns, scopes, binoculars, clothes, handguns, accessories etc.
Their prices may be steep sometimes, but with this you can get pretty nice deals.