Beyond the F-35

>Franco-German fighter
Is going to be a disaster just like Typhoon.
>South Korea’s KF-X fighter
Is dead.

South Korea only has 3d renders and screenshots from Ace Combat to show for its KFX.
Japan at least managed to build a flying testbed, but found out that designing and building an indigenous 5th gen fighter was too expensive and cancelled it.
And if South Korea and Japan couldn't manage to build theirs, Turkey probably won't fare any better.

The AF will be focusing on F-35 engine upgrades in the 2020 to push out the range. That’s how they’re going to replace it.

>cancelled it
last thing I heard they haven't

>South Korea only has 3d renders and screenshots from Ace Combat to show for its KFX

So? it's still in development, you understand what that means right?

They are spending money, hiring designers and developing the aircraft. by the sounds of it you don't consider it under development until it flies.

Japan has two projects, the first was for development/study and never intended for production. The 2nd is a joint venture with the UK and Lockheed and is intended to be produced.

Turkey's project also has UK/BAE assistance and is the least mature of those mentioned as far as we know, but turkey has a far bigger domestic arms industry than people give it credit for.

A-11

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The Japan one is just gonna be a variant of the F-35 most likely though. Unless they’re willing to pump in a billion dollars to restart F-22 production, which I don’t think they are.

>single engine

No

>The Japan one is just gonna be a variant of the F-35 most likely though. Unless they’re willing to pump in a billion dollars to restart F-22 production, which I don’t think they are.

No, the airframe is a hybrid of F22 and, presumably F35 in the front with the expotable RCS levels then F22 in the back for twin engines.

That was a lot of the hard work is done, then Japan will have an airframe to put engines into and with the help of the UK/Lockheed they can get some domestic sensors and fuse them together.

It's a solid idea in principle, i don't see any problems with technology transfer between the three nations

dis

KFX is very much alive but apparently the whole programme is a bit overambitious (having island mudniggers as partners aren't helping either) so it was scaled back to be 4+ gen fighter instead of true 5th gen

Turkey backing off of the joint programme kinda hurt the whole thing since indonesia didn't have the money nor the expertise but turkey wanted a 50:50 partnership as well as access to its architecture, something south korea is reluctant to accept

Tbf there's nobody else that korea can rely on other than indonesia

They could partner countries like South Africa, Brazil or even Israel

>south africa
>brazil

Both of them already had gripen

>israel
If they needed fighter jets, they'd just go to daddy america and ask for more

>Tbf there's nobody else that korea can rely on other than indonesia

Reunification when

>beyond the cheeseburger
>So which cuisine developements can we expect in the future.
Pathetic.

Can you articulate why Single Engine is bad without memeing?

It served Japan quite well in the F-2s.

James Drew
@StrikeWriter
@AviationWeek Defense Editor.

oWo???

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Boeing has concepts for a 6th gen Naval fighter.

Franco German cooperation might put out something decent, but nothing groundbreaking. I'd expect F-22 performance in 20-30 years.

South Korea might have a chance, collaborating with LM on the T-50 they might be able to do something cool. The question is how much money they are willing to throw at it.

Japan was working on something recently too, and I wouldn't be surprised to see their project merge with South Korea's.

I'm kind of curious if SAAB will be able to push out another generation as well. I'm not too confident, but I'm also surprised they have only generally lacked half a generation behind the big boys with 10x more airframes.

China likely has ideas and concepts. Russia I'm not so sure about.

This makes the most sense, sadly. There is no variety in Air Forces anymore, everything is being pushed to a single multirole airframe.

If France and Germany can't make a better fighter than the F-22 40 years after it debuted i'm gonna be fucking disappointed.

Modernize the F-15E fleet with full 1760 buses on every CFT point (not just 1/2 of them like it currently has), give glass cockpit, GE-129 engines, APG-82, and a new DRFM jammer. Singapore and Saudi Arabia already have all but the last two, just upgrade the rest of the fleet quicker to finish APG-82 upgrades and give them the nice jammers and the F-15E will perform very well as a 4.5gen aircraft for awhile.

The F/A-XX program is already pretty well into development. its the 6th gen US navy replacement for the super hornets.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-XX_Program

I'd bet good money it flies before any euro or korean 5th gen.

The US air force is designing a super long range fighter that will be able to escort the B-21 into enemy territory.

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>The F-22 Raptor's Replacement Is Starting to Take Shape

>The Air Force is planning to acquire a new long-range fighter, known as "Penetrating Counter-Air" (PCA), that would accompany the B-21 Raider deep into enemy territory. The new fighter, of which few details are known, would help the bomber survive enemy air defenses.

>In November 2016 the USAF Scientific Advisory Board announced studies for a Penetrating Counter Air (PCA) platform that would combine long range, supersonic speed, stealth and maneuverability and be fielded by 2030.[21] PCA would have substantially longer range to fly long distances over the Pacific, especially in a situation where airbases in the vicinity of China are not available[22] or if aerial tankers are destroyed.[23] It would also escort bombers deep into Russia or China, where the anticipated threat includes advanced networked air defense radars

>It would include stealth against low or very high frequency radars (like those of the S-400 missile system),[24] which requires an airframe with no vertical stabilizers. Another requirement is significantly larger payload than current air superiority aircraft like the F-22. Adaptive cycle engine technology is an option under consideration for the PCA[25], given the fact that the alternative would be a very large aircraft

>The Air Force has requested $294.7 million in fiscal 2018 to continue studying PCA and nailing down specifications.

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>fielded by 2030
X-35 first flew something like 15 years ago and this project is far more ambitious. 2030 is not fucking happening.

>6th gen
I'm interested to see how convoluted the qualifying prerequisites for this are going to be. 5th gen already wasn't clear enough in some way, really just comms and intel gathering improvements.

Tailless is the biggest takeaway i've seen from most sixth gen proposals.

>really just comms and intel gathering improvements
Not really at all. Stealth and sensor fusion are the two biggest parts of 5th gen. 4.5 gen aircraft got a lot better sensor fusion than early 4th gen but still not as automated and seamless as F-35 is and stealth is the biggest selling factor of all.

>5th gen already wasn't clear enough in some way, really just comms and intel gathering improvements.
And stealth...

japan had that future video where fighter jets dont have the two rear vertical fins.

could be a dark project thats been in the works a while. the b-21 is making its first public flight next year.

>the b-21 is making its first public flight next year.

Where the hell did you hear that? It's still in the early design phase.

thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18997/b-21-raider-officially-heading-to-edwards-air-force-base-for-testing

>Another fighter developed by Arabs
The arabs develop a fighter? wut?

>Too expensive and cancelled it
Its not cancelled. The test bed was strictly for demonstration of technology likely to be included, Its very far from anything that would represent the final product

He means France and Germany

This is going to be glorious.
>sensor fusion
>RCS of a duck
>payload of an F22
>Japanese attention to detail

>cost three times as much as a f-35

>franco-german
>using the months old airbus bullshit CGI
>when less than 2 weeks ago Dassault was officially given the lead on this joint project

Jeeze user...

Watch from 3:05 to the end:
>youtube.com/watch?v=jzw-0E2vDKg
Btw this is workplace footage from Dassault HQ at Saint-Cloud. Not bullhit CGI from deluded guys thinking they're hot shit in the aviation world because they make powerpoints and ace combat footage (yes I'm talking about you koreans and turks).

>Completely ignores their only internationally successful fighter, the Mirage III

Is this an official concept of the Fanco-German fighter? Looks amazing.

It's called drones. And China already is leading in this department.

>Thinks drones will fully replace manned aircraft this century
>Actually believes China is ahead in any tech

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thrust and weight ratio

also muh surface-area-to-volume ratio fucks you up.

So, nothing that's actually a real problem.

It is

There is a reason why you don't see anything with a single engine for the air superiorty and deep strike role.

>Literally ignoring that the F-35 can do both easily

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"can"

Well.

Im not gonna be specific here but in switzerland theres a rumor going around that the goverment might contract Pilatus (A swiss Aircraft company) to produce a new fighter aircraft able to replace our aging Super Hornets.

Idk if it will happen but its certainly interesting.

Sphere's have the lowest surface area of any 3D shape at a given volume. Are you saying that more surface area is better?

Actually yes. Americans laugh at the concept because they are not technologically and morally capable of this but other nations can do it perfectly. Like China.

>Outranges the F-22 by 300nmi in A2A
>Was literally designed to replace the F-117's deep strike day zero mission
Done making a fool of yourself?

Don't you have some gutter oil to skim as a child run over by a car nearby dies a slow and painful death?

Whatever "can" means. In reality a single engine aircraft can't meet the requirements in thrust for those specific roles.

The F-35 deploys the most powerful engine in a military fighter, but the kinetic properties are still subpar.

Nothing you just said is true in any way, shape, or form.

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One would also only need to look that the F-35 is a snowflake with its single engine.

We only see other single engine designs in low-end aircraft.

You mean like the F-16, one of the most successful fighters in the world, that is also a single-engine fighter-bomber?

well you are partially right on this

and by partially i mean remember when everyone was saying that there is no way for an f16 to become an f35?

foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/not-your-fathers-f-16-take-a-tour-of-the-f-16in-super-1676745840

they literally took all of the internals of the f35 and just slapped them on the f16 something that they should have done years ago

call me when turkey or japan or s.k has a prototype

india removed themself from the fgfa because no tech transfer will happen BUT they never said that they wont buy it the mmaa program still has the su 57 as a competitor

amca is just a render and considering their track records i doubt its going to be anything more than a political pressure to get aircrafts at a lower cost

j31 i mean people think this plane is anything more than a test bed ? it seems very "distorted" to be something else

what on earth are you talking about stop being an idiot

if you followed the development of the ucav neuron you know they can
now being cucked and called taranis on uk

any RELIABLE MILITARY SOURCE?

You are proving his point.

Japan made a concept plane, and decided it wasn't worht ht etrouble ot go at it alone. Instead they've asked Lockheed for a F22 type plane with F35 sensors and RAM, basically F22 MkII.

They're even willing to pony up the money to restart the F22 line.

whats this meme about the gooks and ace combat

this reminds me of those renders rt publish as "art" about the pak da

i wonder if they hold any truth now that everyone is going tailless

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>powered by the power of nakama
>RCS folded over one thousand times
>transforms into a Gundam for CAS

>>transforms into a Gundam for CAS
Muh variable fighters

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>Actually believes China is ahead in any tech

china is leading in many areas user just compare the papers usa outputs vs china (that are peer reviewed) nsf.gov/statistics/2018/nsb20181/

perhaps next time you open your mouth do some research before making your self a fool

>cockpit becomes the cock
Heh heh heh

>Thinks that's on par with the F-35
Good one, got a chuckle.

You know that the fighter is just one piece of a collection of weapon systems. And most of them are done by Airbus.

>Thinks quantity is quality

f35 can do both easily?
remind us again whats the typical loadout of a f35 on a AA scenario that involves it being stealthy aka not carrying pods and external missiles?

oh yeah 4 missiles...vs 8 of an f22 clearly f35 is the best choice for air superiority LOL

I mean who doesn't want to send a fighter which suffers a kinetic disavandtage in every fucing single engagement?

>>Thinks quantity is quality

you probably dont know what peer review is user and its ok your only paper must be

>how to shitpost on Jow Forums on matters that my brain cells cant handle

The cockpit is in the torso area in biped mode.

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literally gets all the suite that makes the f35 a "better" airplane on the airframe of a proven aircraft

>THINKS ITS ON PAR WITH THE F35

remember that dod report from 2012? still got the link want me to slap you with it ?

F-35 fanboys are sure something.

F-35 is a Lo plane.

Eh, not that guy but it is mostly quantity. The idea of the genius scientists is usually a myth. It's usually decent scientist who found something amazing. That's why 99% of all nobel winners never get a second one. Science is mostly throwing things at the board and see what sticks. You really can't produce superior results with lesser tries by having quality scientists. And that involves having the resources to get that experimental volume which produces achievements. There's an additive effect where the more you spend the more your other research projects are worth. It's no coincidence America is the most accomplished scientific nation and the world's largest economy. There are countries with higher gdp per captia and higher STEM scores, but none have The total R&D budget.

T. Works in academia

>Spreyfagging

>
>Trying to imply Chinese peer review and output is up to Western standards

>More spreyfagging
>Durr 6 yurr uld rupurt stull vulud
It has some neat direct upgrades of its current systems. It's not even close to being everything an F-35 has.

no

Oh boy a report half a decade old. I'm sure it's super relevant.

Only in relation to the F-22.
In a comparison with any other fighter on the market it is Hi.

Yes. It was designed as a Lo counterpoint to the Hi F-22.

tell us user what structural changes the f35 got since then to be able to stop the resonating effect during dogfights with external pods?

please i wanna hear your scientific expertise on the matter

The issue I have is that there's probably serious issues with the actual integrity of the process there that makes it easy to crank out papers to create the perception that they're "doing more."

>>Trying to imply Chinese peer review and output is up to Western standards

>china release scientific papers
>user thinks chinese universities are the ones that do the peer reviews
>still doesnt doesnt understand what peer review is and how its done at all
>stills continues to shitpost about something he has no idea about

>In a comparison with any other fighter on the market it is Hi.

Every other fighter on the market is a generation behind.

>F-35
>External pods
The fuck you smoking?

And seriously. 6. Fucking. Years. The F-35s rolling off today (and the ones built then and updated) don't have any identified issues that old left.

>Still trying to use raw numbers as a measure
>Can't actually justify his retarded "chinese are way more advanced at drones!" claim