Which is the most effective islamic terrorist organization

>Saudi
>fighting in Afghanistan
>his people
Wut.

he was one of the good guys

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You ha e any idea how monarchy in the middle East works?

Saddam sold Russian arms to Africa dood

Book Haram are pretty useless, but luckily for them, they exist in a useless corner of a useless country. They tried to expand in Cameroon a few years ago, and got absolutely #rekt

there on par with ISIS and thats not a complement

Hamas fought the jews to a standstill not long ago, which is very impressive. I wouldn't call them a "terrorist group" though, since they protect the Christian minority and only have beef with the jews who act as savage invaders against them. Shi'ia muslims are bro-tier, sunni wahabist groups like ISIS and al qaeda are the shit tier muslims that target their own people and the west (funnily enough these groups were/are funded by and exist because of the US and israel). Groups like hamas and hezbollah just want the jewish murders out and they do a damn good job fighting America's """"""greatest ally"""""""" even with their advanced military and billions in funding.
I respect the taliban as well. They have made afghanistan impossible to rule by any foreign power.
Of course, I don't want ANY of these people in my country.
But there are major differences between muslim groups and this is constantly overlooked by plebs who see them all as the same groups that did 9/11. Of course the US govt and the jews take advantage of this ignorance when stirring up aggression against Shi'ia nations.

ISIS were on course to take over all of Iraq until the US started flying like 100 sorties a day against them.

The (((US))) let it happen. 15 special ed students with spears could have defeated the iraqi army. ISIS is composed of retarded sunnis.
The only reason they gained so much ground is because the US and it's greatest ally wanted the region destabilized.

>arm and fund insurgency proxy war against russia in afghanistan
>forget to disarm and cripple your proxy warriors
>get attacked by them later

you cannot change these people, they are among the many lesser human species that simply did not evolve fast enough to cope with the current world. they are animals operating on instinct and biological protocol, they wake up, they jihad, or they infiltrate and subvert other cultures in preparation for jihad, they literally do not do anything else on this planet

Even without US innervation if Erdoğan wasn't a fucking idiot Turkey's military would have taken down ISIS pretty easily

The CIA

Oh wow, they attack and sow chaos in the world to achieve geopolitical means. Who will rid the world of such animals?

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>geopolitical goals
>islam

so the extermination of civilized human life on a global scale? im sure that flies on the international stage when someone asks why iran is stacking nukes

>Oh wow, they attack and sow chaos in the world to achieve geopolitical means.
Shlomo has been mastering this craft literally since ancient times

>Erdoğan
He was covertly supporting ISIS.

Do you unironically believe the neocon warhawks when they say Muslims are religious fanatics hell bent on destroying America? Why do you think Al Qaeda never says things like, "Death To China" or "Death to Canada"? You're right in that they don't care much for international standards on wars, and have a very big scope of what they consider to be combatants, but they're so against America because of our ME fighting and support of Israel. When people say we should not bow down to terrorism and fight more sandy wars, it's fucking stupid. If we really want to stop Islamic terrorism on our soil we get the fuck out of there.

Yeah thats what i was saying if Turkey had a non Islamic extremist leader ISIS would have never reached mainstream news

>If we really want to stop Islamic terrorism on our soil we get the fuck out of there.
exactly this x 1000

the west (US, Britain and Israel) are the ones responsible for creating ME terrorists because we've been over there for 100 years ass-fucking everything.

you think if some foreign country stronger than us came to our country and did to us what we've done to the ME? you think you wouldn't want to go out and murder these fucks any way possible?

Terrorists who are bent on attacking western people and western interests are basically (or were) Red Dawn Wolverines: M.E. style.

When Turkey finally did attack ISIS they lost a bunch of gear, had they fought them before they US it would not have been "easy"

thinking that wasn't part of Edrogan plan to arm ISIS and discourage intervention against ISIS

also i admit that it wouldn't be easy no war is ever easy but Turkey in the end still would have won

Whichever one is receiving the most funding from Saudi Arabia and the US at the moment.

Taliban seems to getting funded by the Pakistani goverment while ISIS the Saudis
so ISIS clearly has more of a budget but i still think that the Taliban is more dangerous even with their much lower resources

The US and saudi arabia are effectively israeli puppet states as far as foreign policy is concerned.

Solid trips, but
>islamic

>When Turkey finally did attack ISIS
Since when? Their entire excursion into Syria was killing YPG.

Isreal is effectively a reptilian protectorate, doing the bidding of their masters.

Hydra

The Brotherhood of Nod.
Peace through Power.

>islamic

You confuse Hamas with Hezbollah, Hezbollah is the competent asymmetrical Shiite militia that fought Israel to standstill in 2006/7 (forgot which), Hamas on the other hand is the poorly armed Sunni group that sucks ass

>da joos let it happen Jow Forums was right ubvote muh commend!
Iraqi government incompetence, abuse of power, corruption, religious divisions and general instability left behind from the US occupation let it happen, but yeah shout conspiracy if it make it sound more interesting in your vidya and action movie induced ADD millennial brain

Taliban DID NOT attack the US, most of the Afghan tribes supported by the US kept to themselves and fought over local territory which doesn't fit into the aesthetically convenient maps of Afghanistan drawn up by colonialists. Al Qaeda and Osama's lot weren't supported by the US during the war and had enough funding of there own and some support from Pakistani intelligence to wage jihad against the Soviets.

But yeah completely simplify it and skimp all details to fit your brain dead racist rant if it makes you feel any smarter.

the fact this still needs to be explained well over a decade after the failed war on terror was initiated, let alone on some website that claims to be counter culture or "le redpilled" really demonstrates how well the neocons did there job

>Iraqi government incompetence
Who disbanded the Iraqi army weeks before shtf again?

> Taliban dindu nuffin
They hosted hadji training camps, bobmed the shit out of monuments, acted like savages and applauded 9/11. There was plenty of reasons to go kick their ass, kill their entire leadership as an example and leave.

> drawn up by colonialists / whitey made me do it
Oh fuck off with your College Campus Commie cliches. Every nation has arbitrary border and different people living within them.

> demonstrates how well the neocons did there job
Neocon kikes were are full of shit, just like the neo-lib ones and retards like Noam Chomski. Sweden has no colonies, no external operations and still gets enriched with trucks of peace. These people should be contained to their own countries, we should let them be but not be shy about kicking their ass from time to time if they start acting out. Gaddafi got the message loud and clear back in the 80s.

>t. mohammed
kill custard mouthed arabs.

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Turn it into virgin vs chad meme

that would be awesome

add in some other things as well
>ISIS
Use stolen state of the art equipment and vehicles still get asses kicked
kills less than 200 people a month
losing to a bunch of third world countries

>Taliban
Equipped with only AK-47's and bolt actin rifles still manage to do more damage
Kill over 2000 people a month
Fought and beat a world superpower

>which is the most effective islamic terrorist organization

Democrat party.

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I'd say when it comes to Islamic extremist groups (at least the ones that still operate as such; groups like the PLO and Chechens don't really count because they ceased *most* of their attacks, also non-Islamist groups like the PKK don't count either) it goes kind of like this:

Hezbollah > HAMAS > Taliban > Boko Haram (considered to be part of the IS group but they have their own command and are generally independent) > Houthis > Abu Sayyaf (IS militant groups in the Philippines, mainly on the Mindanao island) > Al Qaeda > ISIS/Daesh (only the ISIS in Syria and Iraq) > Al Nusra

if this was like 2014 or 2015 then ISIS would probably be the third strongest terrorist group behind Hezbollah and HAMAS, but they got buttfucked by almost every country on the planet somewhere around 2015 and after the terror attacks in Europe, and pretty soon the Kurds, Assad Regime, and other Syrian rebel groups had them on the run and now they're a shadow of their former self in their main area of operation. the Taliban is probably one of the most battle-hardened and experienced as far as guerrilla Islamic terrorists go. most of their members grew up with war and have fought since their teens, and the group itself has been in like 3 different wars against 3 different opposing Afghani governments, a NATO coalition, Soviets (when they were still involved with the general Mujahideen), and have been able to push back against the strongest army in the world for 17 years. I hate them to bits for being such assholes and doing such horrible things, but at the same time I have sort of a weird respect for them being able to fight so long and hard. Hezbollah and HAMAS I'd say are the strongest though because they quasi-control entire countries and can also hold their own against a very dedicated onslaught from the Israeli army and get a shit ton of support from Iran and Russia.

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> but at the same time I have sort of a weird respect for them
Same with me I despise Islam and the hate the shit they have done but i can still admit that their a bunch of tough mother fuckers that will fight to the death if it means victory
ISIS on the other hand seem to me like just a bunch of edge lords there propaganda specifically targets edge lords to join

The Taliban ruled Afghanistan for 10 years, while IS got the shit kicked out of them.

>Sweden has no colonies, no external operations and still gets enriched with trucks of peace.
collateral damage. guilty by association

> t. imperialist Neocon warmonger

edgy

what? you mean 15 years ago after the 2003 invasion?
Hahahaha yeah ok, they did that intentionally thinking there would be a decade of insurgency, and that a radical Islamic insurgency would eventually seize a quarter of the country in 1014-1015, sound, coherent conspiracy my dude.

>There was plenty of reasons to go kick their ass, kill their entire leadership as an example and leave.
And literally what has that accomplished?
>Stopped terrorists? nope
>Stopped crazy islamic carry on? nope
>Applauding terror attacks against the west?

Nope. Afghanistan was the wild west, the Taliban isn't the united empire you think it is much of its leadership(warlords) hated Al-qaeda or was indifferent, all out attacking them has achieved fuck all, besides some good photo ops for Bush and Obama, you've simplified it just like the retarded Neo-cons you despise.

>Oh fuck off with your College Campus Commie cliches. Every nation has arbitrary border and different people living within them.

To very different extents, a big chunk of US faliure in A-stan can be pinned down to the fact that the people they're fighting don't consider(or ever considered) there territory to end at the supposed Afghan border. But yeah shout meaningless buzzwords in substitute of an argument if it makes you feel any better.

>Neocon kikes were are full of shit, just like the neo-lib ones and retards like Noam Chomski.
The fact you even assumed i was praising neo-cons shows how ignorant you are, but yeah well done enlightening us on your views of neo-libs and noam chomski while throwing an Anti-semitic slur in there upvoted!

>Sweden has no colonies, no external operations and still gets enriched with trucks of peace
>think ISIS or Al-qaeda differentiates between different European countries and "The West"
Thats where you're wrong kiddo

>Why do you think Al Qaeda never says things like, "Death To China
Uhhh

independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-china-threaten-terror-attack-muslim-islamist-group-islamic-state-a7606211.html

thediplomat.com/2014/10/al-qaeda-declares-war-on-china-too/

Al was a = via

Isis = cia mossad

Arabs have a different culture to us, to them Religion and Family is what they are ruled by, not State and culture.

Their families are huge too, Makes them a bitch to rule considering every family wants a bite.

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False on both counts

Put equal sized IS and Taliban forces against each other on even footing and the Taliban would send those Hollywood Jihadi scumbag pussies crying back to their mother's basement. Hell, give IS much better armaments and better positioning and they'd still get their soft little holes pushed in.

Contrary to popular opinion, Terry can fucking fight and many if not most of them are absolute fucking hard men. Taliban only looks absolutely foolish when they are getting their shit pushed in with arty and air by first world nations.

I'd say this order is about right but I'd put a pretty huge gap between Hezbollah and the rest. They have the strongest ties to Iran, are hugely powerful in Syria and continue to gain political power in Lebanon. They are also the most proven in more conventional fighting. It seems like hamas has suffered since taking power in Gaza since that gives it more actual responsibilities. Hezbollah is in a much better situation as it's been able to simply take over a much more functional existing system than Gaza ever had.

This is an important point, the idea of corporate bodies whether private or in the form of a city or state which so much of western society is based on is not native to the middle east and was never a part of their traditional form of administration. The idea of government as distinct from the ruler who was also a religious leader was alien until relatively recently.

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>ISIS
>Use stolen state of the art equipment and vehicles still get asses kicked
They had minimal state of the art equipment, Beside's ATGM's and MANPADS most of which were 80's or 90's models there equipment was mostly third world tier, they were almost exclusvely armed with soviet shit with the exception of a couple humvees, m16's and sniper rifles none of which you'd call "state of the art"

>losing to a bunch of third world countries
America, Russia, Britian and Turkey aren't third world, and as this thread has established Hezbollah was a competent enemey as were the Kurd's, The Syrian army, FSA and Iraqi army just topped it off.

I don't know why everyone is hammering ISIS so hard, In the same circumstances the Taliban would've gotten totally ass fucked even harder, at least ISIS showed quite some competence of modern combat and technology.
>They totally mastered the use of SVBIED's
>Effectively used small drones for recon, harassment and guiding units
>nearly industrial scale mining and IED's, some very innovative booby traps
>there elite units were actually quite competent at assaults and combing arms to some extent like techies and even the occasional tank or APC
>there snipers were devastating and very competent in urban combat
>there use of propaganda was very effective at both demorailising enemy and inspiring there own
>very clever use and big emphasis on tunnels to undermine enemy CAS
>total artists at improvising together weapons and vehicles even using remote Dshk's and SPG-9's
>they used decentralized command and small autonomous units in defense which is miles ahead of the dated hierarchical structure of the Taliban which basically crippled them when the US went trigger happy with drone strikes against leadership

Yeah sure they had lots of cannon fodder that were no better then your typical two digit iq mid east militia, but behind ISIS was a innovative, experienced and motivated leadership that put them well ahead of everyone else

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>I don't know why everyone is hammering ISIS so hard,
I guess people gave this weird respect for the Taliban they don't like them or anything and i do admit they are horrible people but they are also pretty humble people that fought/fighting world superpowers
ISIS on other hand come across as a bunch of edge lords and the fact that a lot of edgy teens do actually join ISIS makes you hate them ever

Yeah I understand the hate, but I mean from a purely military perspective to put them down so far and make the Taliban out as 3lite oper8rs is just retarded.

Hezbollah>Houthis>ISIS>Taliban>Hamas>Boko Haram
(all at there peaks)

How does ISIS get so many Chinese weapons? Was the region already full of them?

Everyone gets Chinese weapons, they really don't care who they sell to.

Going by the US terror list. Hezbollah after this weeks election controls a majority of Lebanons congress. So theyre the most powerful

Hezbollah needs to get some more love in here.

I don't think the average person doesn't even know what Hezbollah is