You shitting your pants yet, Amerimutts?

>inb4 you misspelled and

>'stealth'

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Yeah, I mean the picture reveals it but what is it?

K.

According to the article, it’s got side looking radars that can be allegedly used to find actual stealth aircraft by flying perpendicular to it.

Allegedly.

>photo reveals it's true purpose
>taking part in a parade
>real threat to the US
Oh... I get it. It's talking about russian propaganda.

Lmao, as if they even had that capability. Not to mention...how many of these do they have. I’m pretty sure only 4 because their economy is trash and they can’t afford more.

>mfw US airforce has a larger budget than the entire Russian Military combined
Go inject krokodil and fuck off back to your containment board Vlad

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And that's a good thing.

why couldnt they just make the radar front facing so that they arent flying away from the other plane when using it? why isnt that radar used on russian anti air stuff? why would this bother the us? it not like the whatever plane using it actually uses stealth. sounds like maskirovka at best.

>russian navy

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It doesn't matter how big your stick is if you can only have one of it.

Until they can build an airforce out of the Su-57's, they are not a threat to anyone but whatever units are in it's close operational range until it is either shot down, or has to be out for maintenance.

>stealth plane screaming up on your 90*
Is there anything you could actually do about that before getting a missile launched? I'm not too knowledgeable on planes.

Supposedly, if they fly perpendicular to the F-22 or whatever, it causes the F-22’s radar to dismiss it as a target and filter it out due to some sort of computer mumbo jumbo. Or something. Which I guess might work. Once.

Considering the Su57 isn’t stealth, yes. You could just shoot it.

Lmao Russia-boo fag got BTFO

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So let me see if I got this right, it only works after the Russian pilot has made an approach from ahead or behind and only if there are no other assets that can feed targeting data to the F-22?

No. It works by flying 90 degrees across the F-22’s (or F-35) nose.

So it's designed to be at a massive disadvantage against the very plane it's supposed to fucking hunt? I'm confused.

Also, keep in mind that it entirely relies on the F-22’s radar going “Yep. That is definitely a fighter sized thing moving and radiating at Mach .9. But it’s not pointing towards me, so it’s not important”

if its so stealthy, then why can we take a picture of it? checkmate vatniks

Looks like Jow Forumsolerants are smarter than Jow Forums, because if this doesn't get 200 replies AT LEAST then I'll suck my own dick

fuck you i was gonna post that

stealth doesn't actually matter

stealth is a meme

Why is there smoke coming from the starboard engine? Did you guys not figure out how to engine again?

And wtf is up with the gap between the engine intaks and the fuselage? You'll never get to the side of an F-35 if their radar sees those ugly things before you've even left their 12 o'clock position. And that fucking bit sticking out between the front of the canopy and the nose.

Is of merely interim engine comrade

Are you actually retarded or is this bait?

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GOT ANYTHING TO BACK THAT UP? do ya?

>theoretical calculations are reality
lets see what that STEALTH FIGHTER looks like when its got a full weapons load, brother

Will still be less detectable than an equivalently armed non stealth aircraft

>A full weapons bay, changes the RCS of the extrenal hull
Phew

To back up the fact that stealth is absolutely useful? If you need me to explain to you why a stealth fighter is useful then you have some serious mental deficiencies user. Apart from being harder to target with AA, harder to track with radar, ability to do reconnaissance, stealth interceptions of enemy aircraft. The list goes on.

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Joke’s on you, I’m always shitting my pants.

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Go Away
Pierre Sprey

Let's say you have a fighter with a ground speed of 500 knots and a fighter that is attempting to beam it. Pulse Doppler radars work (obviously ) on the Doppler effect. With a look down shoot down radar, the anything that is closing at exactly the same speed as the fighter is flying, such as terrain is discarded. So a fighter that is beaming, by flying 90 degrees perpendicular is attempting to spoof the radar into thinking it is a piece of terrain. By flying perpendicular it should have a relative velocity equal to the targeting fighters ground speed.

The caveat is demonstrated by pic related. American radars and fire control computers are good enough that they can count compressor blades to determine a target type. Similarly if, the beaming target is silhoutted by the sky, then the computer can determine it isn't a piece of terrain. If it starts flying lower, and is masked by the terrain, then it struggles.

Tldr; for the Su-57 to beam properly it would have to fly really low.

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There is no such thing as stealth while emitting radar. The radar gives away your position just like sonar does to a submarine. This is why F-22s rely on passive senors and let the AWACS blast radar at high power from behind where it is safe. This is also why USA is so big on networking sensors between vehicles. You can let some other aircraft give up its position and then communicate that information to the stealth plane. The stealth plane passively tracks targets and passively listens to friendly communications.

>to scale
Jeez those aircraft are massive. They are like 10+ kilometers long.

This is true only if the radar can't scramble it's own signal and conceal it from the enemy. But any emission is a risk.

>turn radar on
>christmas tree heyoh
Don't post retarded articles like this please.

If it's so stealthy how did they get a picture of it.

Can't the enemy still detect an emission of radio energy and triangulate it? Sure you could scramble any information contained in the signal, but emitting radio waves is still emitting radio waves.

It's like yelling out in a dark room in code. People can't tell what you are saying, but they can still tell where you yelled from.

And yet the F-35 is still hard to detect.

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>A-are you finally taking us seriously, Americans?

Every fucking time.

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>checkmate putinfags

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Read an article that dispelled this "myth". They are ways to minimize the risk but still the only way to eliminate it is to shut off the radar. Concealing your own radar signal is actually the most important part of stealth. Otherwise all fighters will be armed with anti-radiation missiles and no one will turn on their radar and air battle goes back to dog fights.

>prime example of when the first post is not the best post

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>number built: 1

Wouldn't it also need to be flying at the same speed as the f35/f22? That seems virtually impossible.

what on earth are you talking about
such a system exists since the first BM variant on the 30 model
it continued on the 33bm and now its on the 35 bm

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please user give us your knowledge around rcs reduction materials

or you are one of those "if its not the american way then it doesnt work" ?guys?

Honestly countries shouldn't invest so much money in stealth aircraft, while the SU-57 is cool, just look at what happened to the F-117 deployed in Yugoslavia in 1999, that's right americas "state of the art" stealth fighter got shot down with outdated 60's cold war SAM missiles sent by a drunk serb.

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>.t ogro le das americas

samefagging
here is the wing decimetric aesa radar

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>This user doesn't understand what he's talking about

is it to fly around?

Context is important user.

It might not be better than an F-22, but it sure as hell is better than the trainwreck that is the F-35, trillions of dollars wasted on a fighter that can't withstand tough climates.

Fuck off Pierre

>implying we don't want to form an alliance with gopniks to get cheap slavshit and take over the world
wew

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>.t el goblino

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Yeah good, and a Bently is faster than my motorcycle because it COST more. Right?

wanna read again the FY 2017 report about the f35 to have a laugh?

4 years later ALIS is still broken

cannot conduct readiness because of low numbers and low availability of spare parts
combat simulations stills shows significal drawbacks on perfomance
dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/

have a good laugh

Does the jet have HIV, or just the pilot?

>foreigners still obsessed with America, news at 11

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>posts skewed story to make point seem valid.

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>4 years later ALIS is still broken
Makes sense. Fix the plane before you fix the tertiary stuff. Oh, and the problem with the combat sim is that it does not work like it should, not that the plane itself is defiant. Every real life test has it wrecking everything.

An innovative idea.

Everybody knows the F-22 only has stealth characteristics for its Frontal RCS, that's why the Rafale can shoot it down when looking down on it from above. If they buy Chinese GaN technology that uses dual band sensors, which means it can detect stealth aircraft twice as far, and integrate it to the main system of the aircraft, also giving it the capability to be remotely controlled by China in case of emergency, Russia will be unstoppable in defending their land from America and its colleagues.

IMPRESSIVE

>cannot conduct readiness
>Gets hit by Syrian SAM codenamed Birdstrike

the combat simulation of various MDL's on the plane perfomance means that the plane isnt at fault?

do us a favor and go read what they are saying before you say again that such a thing isnt a design flaw..

>posts claims that can’t be backed up

The only thing you can claim about the F-35 is that it’s cost was astronomical. Which I’ll agree with. However, it’s still an excellent air craft and superior to the SINGLE SU-57 the Russians have. The SU-57 is a stealth fighter though, and the F-35 is a multi role platform so comparing the two is rather dumb. If you compare it to the F22 that would be better, and if that was the case the F22 is obviously the superior aircraft. So no matter what you’re gonna get BTFO.

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>F117 shootdown never happened

Except there's a literal broken F117 canopy for display in the Belgrade Aviation Museum, next you're gonna tell me the world is flat.

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f22 is superior
1992 avionics
LM still is on court to battle the upgrade program because they dont wanna spend any money on it anymore

SUPERIOR PRODUCT

It’s not so much a Bentley vs. Streetbike as it is F1 racecars vs. tuned Honda civics. I’m sorry that your nations military isn’t as good as you fantasize it to be.

>Russian secretly develop stealth aircraft which poses threat to muricca, hurrr
Somehow the NRA is responsible for this, durrr

>the combat simulation of various MDL's on the plane perfomance means that the plane isnt at fault?
The MDL is not a parameter of the planes performance, but a software upload that is incomplete.

No, it's not a flaw of the plane. It's a software issue that is being worked out.

Name an aircraft that’s better?

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Su-57 program cost: $8-$10 billion
Unit cost: $50 million

F-22 program cost: $66.7 billion
Unit cost: $150 million

It's really simple matter of mathematics. They don't spend nearly as much on the development of the Su-57 and cost on an individual plane. What would any rational human being conclude is the more sophisticated fighter? The one with more resources put into it, or the one with less?

ok
let me rephrase it cause you clearly dont understand

combat simulations happens on real flight data with full load
get it? stop posting before you even read the damn report you are embarassing your self

Slaviboos inbound in 3...2...

For those not versed in combat tactics, the journalist has mixed up stealthy aircraft with the tactic of "notching" - because modern fighter radars are all pulse Doppler radars that rely on relative motion towards or away from the receiver, and because processing techniques in those radars seek to hide things like terrain, birds, trains and highway traffic from the display, it is possible to manoeuvre in such a way that you present no, or relatively little, relative movement to an aircraft or missile painting you by flying a path at 90 degrees to it - this is the "notch." However, while doing so, your radar is unlikely to be able to paint your target because of aspect.

Cheek radars, like those in the picture, enable your "sweep" to be much wider, and for the pilot to retain a radar picture of a wider area while "notching."

Taking steps to hide from radar isn't the same as designing an airframe so as to minimise radar cross section.

MDLs are region specific software uploads that deal with regional threats. Lack of data for various regional threats is not a airframe or performance issue, it's a testing and software issue.

literally every single other aircraft that has been developed after the 00s and has aesa radar on it is better

i mean you cant really compare an f22 with an mcm running on 25mhz vs f35 mcm that runs on 650mhz or even tpl on su57 that runs on 500mhz
and even those arent fast enough on a congestive airspace

>implying the F-22 has not received upgrades.

>still talks about a minor problem
>still continues to paint significant raw data from testing as "software"
>still continues to defy its own goverment reports from actual engineers
>his opinion is all that matters

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name one upgrade on its avionics
ONE
to this day the program is on hold because LM in on court for it
but then again i dont blame you its not like you known anything about technology