What is the official Jow Forums fighting style?

> a non sport survival self defense with no rules with a stress on disarming/opening barrel range produced no competitive sports fighters

Really gets the tonkers gonking

BJJ is the only one worth learning, since the goal is to put your opponent on the ground and kick him in the face, while making sure you stay off the ground.

Ok, but has anyone in krav actually trained with a spar? None of them have ever actually gouged an eye, or disarmed a pistol/knife against a RESISTING opponent. That makes all that "training" useless since they have never even once practiced it against someone who was trying to hurt them.

And while boxing/bjj can be sports, they 100% have real world applications and started as ways to kill your enemy. In boxing, when you spar a real live opponent is legitimately trying to hurt you full force with punches, and you have to learn to deal with that full speed. Same with bjj, someone is really trying 100% to break your arm or choke you unconscious and you have to learn to deal with that. At the same time you can do the same to them 100% which means you are actually learning how to fight not just doing dance moves in perfect conditions like in krav

What is the most logical fighting style if I'm carrying

Krav maga is shit don't get jewed in your martial arts too. Anything that lets you punch, slam and ctr full contact is good. Anything that is point fighting or ''to deadly to use4u'' is shit.

Also get a knife and gun.

It doesn't have to be those 4 specifically, just has to cover those areas of the fight and those 4 are the easiest to find.

wrestling/bjj/boxing

Wrestling/bjj for when you're in a close range grapple for your gun or to create space to get your gun.

Boxing to beat the shit out of people when you don't need a gun or to create space for gun.

That's a tough one to answer and I have 0 expertise in the area. If you're carrying there's a lot of danger in close combat since a firearm is a distance weapon, so from what I can guess, I'd say grappling would be the way to go so you can deal with someone grabbing you in which case your weapon is hard to use, whereas if someone is trying to strike you can just back up and shoot them.

So I'd say bjj/wrestling to prevent someone grappling you which seems like a bad thing if you're trying to use a distance weapon.

Now all this said, you really shouldn't get into a fight ever carrying. You could end up killing someone over a fistfight which is stupid and could end with you in jail

Pretend to run away but then pull a gun and shoot them.

KM is best paired with a gun. it's not a martial art and if you spend years 'studying' it you're a retard. it's supposed to be a series of self defence disarming drills for unarmed and push and draw/shoulder for armed combat. Learning and perfecting the drills is good. treating it as anything more is dumb.

t. used them all in idf and later employment

Should be sumo wrestling from the pictures I've seen of meetups. God damn do any of you even try to lose weight?

> krav maga has no sparring
> krav maga moves are dance moves

You must have gone to a mall dojo, my dude. Got jewed pretty hard

Uh oh, found the Krav Maga guy who has never sparred and thinks all his shit is viable in a real altercation.

Krav maga works great on people who let you into the rape zone before even putting your hands up or getting aggressive.

See I have never trained krav. But people who have trained krav, I've rolled with, and they are not any more effective than someone with 0 training. It is extremely sub par compared to other styles that you could become much more effective with much quicker than with krav

inb4 "krav magas techniques are too deadly to train with in a sparring scenario".

Mexican judo.

judo no i got a pistol homes

Exactly. It's just like pressure point styles complete bullshit. If you haven't sparred with it you don't fucking know it and that's the truth.

I'm only speaking from an unarmed perspective, I'm sure it's useful to pair with a gun. But in terms of purely unarmed combat it is sub par to say the least compared to other styles

iacombatives.com/2016/11/07/a-pathway-to-competency/

>...a KM school... can range from being run by an experienced fighter and coach... to someone... from a five day “certification” course. That is not an exaggeration by any means. KM has some of the Crossfit model of granting people permission to teach. I personally would not trust my life to someone who has not had a great depth of knowledge and experience in the field.

>...they tend to teach along the lines “if this guys does this, then you do that”. I find that a by rote technical execution of self-defense is much inferior... finally, I am not a fan of the fact that the vast majority of KM’s good and functional material comes from other places – i.e. boxing, wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu-jitsu...

tl;dr If you can find a quality Judo dojo and can tolerate the injury risk, do it, otherwise go to a BJJ school. Krav is too step by step and many instructors are barely qualified. MMA gyms are full of competitive fighters that will injure you along with coaches too focused on competition, same with a lot of boxing gyms.

this
a guy i knew who now goes around giving lessons to military, security and special forces around the world trained in multiple arts with his base (from what i remember) being in wing chun.
do multiple martial arts, incorporate all of them
doing any martial art is better than doing none
one thing you want to avoid though is going to a place where they have an arrogant dickhead vibe to it, try different places
best ive found are generally small places with a family vibe among the members where you can get some proper one on one

but im just some fucking guy

doesnt teach you how to disarm tho

this
krav maga and kapap are designed to be taught and quickly absorbed
if a soldier is only enlisted for x amount of years, your not gonna try make him a martial art master

>a wrestler wins every fight against a martial artist
>once someone is down you can beat them with impunity

There's no reason not to take wrestling or bjj

Old school wrestling + boxing or some of the MMA schools.
HEMA, if you can find a gym that does actual competition fighting.

Just stay away from Krav Maga or all that tactical stuff! It is the same old ninja-bullshit just in a new package.

fighting and shooting have nothing to do with each other. if you feel your life is in danger, shoot the attacker. if you don't feel like your life is in danger, you can put them into a hold that they cannot escape until the police arrive. you should be able to judge the situation for yourself.

shoot them
if they're stopping you from drawing your weapon use whichever martial art seems the most appropriate at the time to be able to make the gap to shoot them

Where do you learn wrestling as an adult? I tried searching but everything seemed to be high school or college stuff. Do I have to look for an MMA gym or something?

Every Krav Maga place is a McDojo. Nearly no boxing gyms are mcdojos. Worst case scenario you learn how to be a boxer instead of learning to get yourself shot.

A wrestler/jiu jitsu practitioner IS a martial artist.

Basically its very rare, wrestling is pretty much only taught in high school/college. But jiu jitsu is even better for grappling imo and many teach takedowns, at least mine does. Sometimes we have pure wrestling practices just to focus on stand up grappling. So I'd say just find a bjj school that does that

youtu.be/UAa03Tzkq-o

turns out hes still alive the crazy bastard
hes the instructor with the stache

>ex yugo sf
>5 ex wives
>actually a really nice guy

Please don't call it a dojo

Every one is ignoring you. But I kekd user.

Everything but aikido

Jew-jitsu places are almost always terrible because they never focus on partner work against a seriously resisting opponent. MMA, Judo, Wrestling, and Boxing might be sports, but they work against someone resisting you with all their might.

So, it's fine if you want a tactical aerobics class, but useless if you want to actually be effective unarmed.

Because going to the ground means that someone can kick you while your down.

Boxing is the official martial art of Jow Forums

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>run 5 miles 3x a week
>do this for a month or two
>join boxing gym
>learn fundamentals
>get good enough to actually fight
It’s not even about the boxing really, being able to handle yourself when you get an adrenaline dump like you’ll get in the ring will have huge dividends in gunfights and other situations

Jews cannot fight

Bjj if you are gay

Maui Thai, judo, bjj

Krav maga is horseshit

>i live right next to a Krav Maga dojo and their rates are cheap....

You get what you pay for UNLESS you're paying to train at an actual fight gym with actual amateur and pro fighters training and fighting out of it. If the Krav Maga place is cheap it's very likely because they are trying to attract the soccer moms and low test office workers who want to LARP as bad ass Jason Bourne wannabe commandos and the training is, like 99% of Krav Maga places outside of Israel, watered down garbage with no "aliveness".

>Where do you learn wrestling as an adult? I tried searching but everything seemed to be high school or college stuff. Do I have to look for an MMA gym or something?

Catch as Catch Can is getting a little bit of a revival online, but yes generally if you don't get involved in scholastic wrestling while in high school or college you've missed the boat on learning how to wrestle. Spending years wrestling while in school was a great advantage when I started training other stuff and even ten years later it's still ingrained.

Which is why I encourage literally any kid even slightly interested in training to get involved in their high school or college wrestling programs. It's a free way to get a great base to build onto.

This shit right here. It's why you should do those stress shooting drills of running/climbing/carrying weight and then draw/shoot.

Being healthy and in shape is the first building block.

I'd say JKD, they way Paul Vunak described it. He helped train the Gracies, was around before mma started, trained navy seals in unarmed and knife fighting, and something that I can't confirm, but heard is that he would would practice some of his techniques by walking through shady neighborhoods just to get into a fight.
>that last bit is just a rumor though.
youtu.be/qY_3gJi06jI

Defendu, or WW2 combatives in general, along with boxing.

This.

The one you know. I assume it's been said. We're not entering the Tekken tournament. Knowing something is better than nothing and you nor your assailant will ever be good enough for style to matter.

>been doing bjj for 2 and am a blue belt who has rolled in competition.
I've been rolling for about 3 months and plan to continue until it is just impossible to do so. When did you first start rolling in competition?

You mean, the best fighters of a 1v1 sport inside of a cage.

Also any decent Krav Maga place has sparring.

I guess accumulatively I have 10 years of martial arts experience.

>3 years of wrestling
>1 year Tai Kwon Do
>1 year of Aikido (it was fun, but you'd never use it unless you were really experienced with it.)
>Dad had me learning to punch and kick for about 5 years because culturally diverse neighborhood growing up
>about 4 years keeping up with LEO Defensive Tactics
>a little MMA here and there, but I didn't like doing it.

All I can say is, learn as much as you can from different areas. MMA is good for that BUT it doesn't really prepare you for a real fight.

Aikido was cool, and flashy but I only kept using one throw, out of the dozens I practiced (their basic throw is actually pretty good.)

And honestly, Wrestling in high school was the best "martial art" I ever learned. It was all practical, at least to an extent. And turning it into something you could actually hurt another person with was pretty common sense.

Then police DT's were sort of the same. It was all very basic, but effective. And they allowed me to integrate what I already knew into my training.

My dad has been telling this same joke for upwards of 20 years now and I hate you.

Dirty.

CQC

i already do that.
4x a week.

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Are you retarded? The fact that you said that shows you know jack shit about martial arts and have probably never trained a day in your life. Bjj dominates mma, every single mma fighter knows bjj. Please go to a bjj school and challenge them if you're so confident you idiot. Remember that the first ufc was won by Royce gracie despite the fact he wasn't that fit and was only 170 fighting guys 220+ lb. Bjj closed the gap and revolutionized martial arts and it is THE foundation of modern mma. That's a fact.

You realize every single bjj class has rolling for usually an hour straight, and everyone is 100% legitimately trying to choke or joint lock you right? You have no idea what you're saying and you've clearly never trained to make such a statement.

>krav maga
>invented by Jews
>meme
Just like the banking system?

The original ufc had 0 rules and bjj came out on top. Nutshots and all were allowed and happened but bjj beat every other style. Of course the best is to mix several styles (hence mixed martial arts) but in that time everyone was a purist. So the whole "oh mma is only a sport" is a completely uneducated statement.

Bout a year or so in. My tips to you are STRETCH AND DON'T PUSH THROUGH AN INJURY. Bjj is a combat martial art and it will put serious stress on your body

trust me if you get injured, you'll want to keep going, and that small injury will never heal and get worse and worse and just become chronic. Every serious practitioner I know has some kind of nagging injury including me. Shoulders, knees, neck, and back are most common, just don't get hurt and if something feels wrong lay off it for a few days and you will have a long healthy career

>Bjj dominates mma
Im not pro-Krav, but this just isn't true anymore. Sure, you have a few BJJ aces in MMA that win through submissions, but for the most part, offensive BJJ has been neutralized by the fact that even strikers or wrestlers train BJJ, if only to defend the sweeps and submissions.

I said Jew-Jitsu, not jiujitsu

Exactly. Everyone knows it which allows other styles to shine since bjj is neutralized more or less. But the fact remains that every fighter has trained it for years. It's a unwritten prerequisite to know submission grappling to be competitive, you can get away with not knowing boxing, muay thai, etc but it is very hard to get away with no submission skills, if not impossible. Even as a striker you need to train it to defend it

No Eqiilibrium Gunkata yet? Surely that is the official Jow Forumsombat style - uses guns, is simply swinging your guns around like a madperson so is perfect for a Jow Forumsommando

welp/thanks alot guy.

going to start muay thai tomorrow.

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>You mean, the best fighters of a 1 vs 10 larp inside of a warehouse

Also, any decent MMA place teaches street oriented self defense as well.

*Muay Thai gym
Dojos are for faggots

>wrestling was the best I learned, it was practical
>but MMA, the art which has a much more practical and realistic form of wrestling for combat, which involves punches, kicks, elbows and knees along with wrestling wasn't very good.

You pretty much outed yourself as a guy who can't fight his way out of a paper bag when you threw in Tae Kwon Do (something you spelled wrong) and Aikido (LARPER supreme art) as examples of your "experience".

Most people in the Martial Arts community who dislike MMA are the ones who can't fight for shit, and try to discredit it with what ifs.

Fact of the matter is, if someone can knock you out with a head kick or punch, or slam you on concrete and get on top of you, they'll be the ones doing the eye gouging and throat biting and nut smashing.

>BJJ isn't good anymore now that proffesional fighters HAVE to train in it in order to survive it!!!

Wow, boxing sucks now, that grapplers are also training in striking!!!

See how dumb that sounds?

>BJJ isn't good anymore
I didn't say that. I'm saying that offensive BJJ has been partially neutralized by everyone training BJJ defense at the very least. Leading to alot less submissions in fights and less BJJ-centric champions in MMA. BJJ is actually my favorite part of training MMA.

There's plenty of examples online of a low level unknown amateur MMA fighters, completely wrecking bad guys in the street.

There's the following examples.

1 lightweight mma fighter kills two home intruders and sends the other two flying

1 lightweight mma fighter knocks out a giant college football negroid with one punch in an altercation outside a bar

1 mma fighter who wasn't known for his grappling, but shitty striking, overpowered and disarmed a knife wielding attacker

1 brazilian jujitsu practicioner disarmed a mugger with his grappling skills, got shot in the process but managed to take the gun away, and seek medical attention and survived

1 teenage boy disarmed a Mexican gangbanger, then proceeded to beat him to a pulp

2 guys who practiced MMA disarmed two "inner city youths" in a 2 vs 2 altercation and then proceeded to beat them into pulps

1 mma guy disarmed his car jacker and beat him to a pulp

These are just the ones off the top of my head, now how many times have you heard about some Aikido/Krav-Maga/WingChun larper doing anything close to that?

MMA teaches you all the basic human movements, including your own. There's a reason why Spartans, Samurai, Knights, Mongol Warriors, etc all throughout history were taught wrestling/grappling regardless of there being weapons/multiple opponents involved.

Chances are you'll survive more if you know what to do WHEN you clinch or IF it hits the ground.

Don't forget the welterweight MMA fighter who defended his life from a raging porn actress

1 aikido practitioner convinced a carjacker to jump around a parking lot until he was too tired to take the car

>I'm saying that offensive striking has been partially neutralized by everyone training striking defense at the very least. Leading to alot less knockouts in fights and less Striking-Centric champions in MMA. Striking is actually my favorite part of training MMA.

No but seriously, I get what you're saying, but you have to understand how in the context of self defense this doesn't matter that much or at all.

A lot of the grappling you see in MMA, is a mixture of BJJ and Wrestling, there's a huge misconception with the people who don't practice any grappling arts, that BJJ is submissions and wrestling is positioning and control, there's a lot of transitions, control, reversals, and movements which are more BJJ based than wrestling based, and these lead to ground and pound knockouts, or survival as well.

For reference, look at all the old BJJ vs Wrestling videos back then when people were one-dimensional, you'll see wrestlers look like complete amateurs even on the ground. Showing that BJJ really takes the cake in a lot of what goes on in the ground work, not just submissions. After all, you need a good position first before you hit a submission.

Not saying wrestling sucks though, I wish I had better wrestling fundamentals for better takedowns/defense, but my neighborhood never had a program, so Judo it is for me.

just find a [totally not homosexual] friend play grab ass and grappling with with.

>t.buthurt feminine response from virgin larper

So because one guy beat up his slut wife, and apparently that's morally wrong, somehow that translates to the ineffectiveness of MMA?

If so, my rebuttal is, don't forget all the LARPERs who've been caught diddling children

Looks like we agree actually. I was just saying that BJJ in MMA no longer dominates how it did in the old days. In fact, BJJ has been incredibly effective for self defense for me.

>For reference, look at all the old BJJ vs Wrestling videos back then when people were one-dimensional, you'll see wrestlers look like complete amateurs even on the ground.
Just reminded me of the Shamrock vs Gracie shitshow where it went to a draw.

It was a joke, I love MMA. Also, stop reddit spacing.

Bingo. Krav Maga is a meme, plain and simple. Boxing and some form of grappling are your best bet. I personally did 5 years of boxing & BJJ, and am coming up on 3 years of kickboxing.

I've been training for a good few years, and I've only been in one competition. I just didn't feel confident in myself, and when I did enter one, I did fairly well, only to lose to a national champ in the semi-finals.

After that, it was pretty much a case of "Well, at least I know."

I kek'd, bravo user.

guacate

the wrestling team at my school was so fucking weird and gay.

My advice is don't join the wrestling team unless you wanna roll around on a sweaty mat with some dude in a leotard

>bjj + boxing, you can take out 95% of dudes walking the earth
this can also work with Sambo+Boxing or bjj+Kickboxing or Wrestling+Kudo Karate

a solid striking martial arts and solid grappling
grappling martial arts and you're basically indivisible

I'll go with grappling if one on one, gun or knife if it's more on one

"Street" Fighting begins with fist flying trying to hit the "Cheap shots" but always turn into a grabbing match to get to the "cheap shot".

But really when fighting someone just pull out a gun or aim for the attackers eyes and balls.

My team won state every year and had a crazy good wrestling program. I'm glad I did it.

One night at a bar I was drunk as fuck and one of my sketchy friends asked me for a cigarette. When I was getting it out he attacked me. Without even thinking, muscle memory took over and I reversed it and pinned him with a half nelson. I started laughing and talking shit to him because he couldn't get out. I could have really fucked him up from that position but he was my friend and he never gets out.

It's literally free training if you're in school. Martial arts gyms are expensive. I've never done BJJ but I've rolled around with a few guys and I was still able to twist their arms in ways they shouldn't go. I've also been choked the fuck out because one thing wrestling doesn't prepare you for is chokes.

So it's not a complete system but it's a good tool for your fighting toolkit.

I personally have been boxing for about 5 years and have been thinking about either Judo gym if i ever get the free time
but think its most effective fighting style might be Kudo Karate(Mixture of Kyokushin,Judo and Boxing) seems to very practical and incorporates all these styles pretty well
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I got judo thrown in a parking lot once and it fucking sucked. I don't even remember how I got home. Judo works great apparently.

I like BJJ and do it myself, but it's not the ultimate ground art and people have drank the kool-aid way too much. The only thing the Gracies proved is that you need to have a submission grappling base. There are guys with no BJJ at all that have outgrappled accomplished BJJ guys (pic related).

It's effective no doubt, but a big reason most fighters do it is because it's just the most readily available sub grappling art thanks to good marketing over the years.

forgot my pic

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And being unable to stop a takedown or shuck someone off you means that you can't stop yourself from ending up on the ground.

Being better at wrestling/judo/BJJ = control. You choose whether the fight goes down or not.

This, takedown defense is important. You are now aware that when you get jumped, one guy tackles you and knows he might have to eat a few punches but it gets you on the ground where the other guys can kick you.

I did a bit of Judo a while back, after being in a similar situation as , except it was in sparring.

Got hip-tossed and arm-barred, thought I'd had a lung collapse. Went to a few lessons with the dude who'd thrown me, learned a few tricks. I would've kept it up, but the gym shut down, and nowhere near here really does it.

Posting Fedor is cheating, the man was a fucking beast. Basically a shaved bear.