I'm 20, can I buy a stripped lower that has a rifle buffer pre-installed or am I stuck with complete rifles / 80% lowers until I'm 21? Pic is of the receiver in question.
I'm 20...
Uh, why can't you buy it now? Do you live in some fag place that raised the buying age?
If it’s not NFA or pistol related you can do it after 18.
This was at the bottom of the page for the receiver. Reading up on it has not provided a satisfactory explanation though.
I don't understand why you American idiots ask questions like this on Jow Forums why don't you walk into a police office and ask to see the regulations book or google it or go to a courthouse and ask for the legal papers which they would have on hand.
like are you literally going to trust some mut online and just blindly order some thing and have cops deliver the package to you with a warrant. wtf.
No, you may not purchase a stripped lower receiver from a dealer. You can buy whatever you want in a private sale, depending on state laws, however.
Potentially incorrect.
AR lowers are legally regulated as pistols in at least some states (because you could build a lower into a pistol). This makes the buying age requirement 21.
For OP, I'm not sure if the buffer being installed makes a difference, but I imagine it does not and if you're already barred from lowers until 21 you'll be stuck with 80%s or complete rifles for now.
>AR lowers are legally regulated as pistols in at least some states (because you could build a lower into a pistol)
What states
Washington for sure, I only know this because I live there. I don't know about other states or if this applies federally. I assume it does apply federally but you'll have you research that yourself.
Are Europeans Dunning-Kruger: The Continent?
Thanks man, I live in Colorado so I'm not expecting much but it's good to know that it's somewhat up to the state. I'll read up on local laws.
>why don't you walk into a police office and ask to see the regulations book
Because local cops have no fucking clue what the subtleties of gun laws are, nor do they really care. Also, police stations don't have full copies of federal and state statute books lying around for people to walk in off the streets and peruse.
>or google it
Get ready for a few hundred links to old forum discussions where the same fudds who can't give you a straight answer at your local gun shop will fail to give you a straight answer on the internet.
>or go to a courthouse and ask for the legal papers which they would have on hand.
See above.
Where at in WA? Olympia for me.
It's not federal. A dealer, under federal law, cannot even transfer a receiver as anything but 'other' since it's not a rifle or a pistol which means under 21s can't transfer one from a dealer. Privately the federal government doesn't care. Doesn't WA have that universal background check shit that requires private sales to go through an FFL? That wouldn't regulate the receiver as a pistol, but it would make it impossible for under 21s to buy one at all.
>Doesn't WA have that universal background check shit that requires private sales to go through an FFL?
Yea, no one really follows it.
Pretty much.
People saying pistols is incorrect. At 18 the ATF allows you to buy "rifles" and "shotguns" from a dealer. Handguns, factory pistol grip shotguns, "firearms" and frames you need to be 21 to buy them from a dealer
you would have an easier time buying a completed AR and modifying that than you would trying to get a lower before you're 21
This. In fact, federal law sets the age to buy firearms at 21, and then makes an exception for rifles and shotguns. It's a wonky way to do things, but all federal gun laws are wonky.
Potentially, yeah. I'm a collegefag though and would rather not buy unnecessary parts that I'm just going to immediately swap out. If I can't get this I guess I'll just wait.
>ask a cop
cops have no obligation to know any laws, they can arrest you on the suspicion that you've broken the law
>google it
if it's on the internet, it must be true, right?
>go to a courthouse
you'll get a bunch of strange looks and probably just get told to fuck off and google it
paying a lawyer would be the only true way to get legal advice, but paying a lawyer twice the price of a gun to figure out if you can legally buy said gun is as retarded as letting german determine your foreign policy
Or maybe he needs to call a shop, cause businesses worth their salt at a minimum comply with the law if not be over zealous with their compliance.
>walk into a police office and ask
American cops have basically zero knowledge of the law.
>go to a courthouse and ask for the legal papers
That'll be $300 and take six weeks.
The average US cop doesn't know firearms regulations anymore than a NEET on Jow Forums. I don't think you realize how many police departments require absolutely minimal education. Minneapolis used to only hire people who studied law enforcement, once they started a fast track program to fill more hiring needs (and because hiring minorities looks good for PR) that's when a lot of messy stuff happened like Mohammed Noor shooting the Australian lady. Tell me why I should trust the cops?
T. Dual US German citizen
You should call a shop for any additional state or local rules, but 21 is set federally for a lower.
I had to have my stripped lower shipped to my home state because Alabama won't transer a pistol to anyone without Alabama residency
I worked in a gun shop for a little over a year in Colorado. The classification of just a stripped lower is "other" so that it can be built into a pistol or a rifle, and is treated as a pistol because of it. To accomplish what you want here, you will not be able to convert it to a pistol legally, but you can at least build a rifle. (In fact, you need to)
A gun shop might not let you buy just a stripped lower from somebody, but you can work a deal to get whatever parts you need off of an existing rifle that someone would sell you.
But if you can afford it, why not get and finish the 80%?
Is that a state law or does the local gun shop not recognize the ATFs stance on dual residencey?
Just get them in private sales thats how I get all mine while under 21
Also this for the uninformed
Residents of other states cannot purchase anything except for shotguns and rifles from adjacent states which also allow this practice, so you can't buy a receiver in another state. Now, depending on what you're doing in Alabama, you could be a resident. In that case the dealer just fucked up.
That's illegal without an 07 FFL. Receivers are transferred as others not so they can be made into whatever, but because they are neither a handgun or a long gun.
I never established residency, so that was my fault. I didn't think at the time that the lower would transfer as a pistol, since I had bought it from the "long guns" section of the website.
fellow under 21 here
just mill your own 80% polymer lower
is worth
cia niggers coming for you
t. 20 florida fag here. i got all my stuff before the law passed. but i believe that as long as the law hasnt been enacted yet your good to go. i had a spare lower and ordered a complete upper through the mail and didnt get v&.
polymer lower
It doesn't transfer as a handgun, it transfer as other.
My ffl assembled it as a rifle, then transferred it to me, seeing as I bought a rifle kit and brought it in, turned some heads when asking, but it worked
it has to be listed as a rifle on the 4473
then yes
otherwise no
you have to be 21 to buy guns, unless it's a rifle or shotgun
This. If they install the rifle buffer tube before you buy it you're in the clear
technically that workaround don't work anymore, but if they popped an upper on it, and it was rifle length....*nudge nudge*
No, I tried buying a complete lower with a rifle stock already assembled at 20yo and atf kicks your background check back no matter what