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Highlights: Invisible sea hugging done sneaks up on enemy fleets and bases. New missile "Petrel" has unlimited flight time, can by pass threat regions selectively and hit a target days later. Designed to fill gaps left by Kinpal and Sarmat. Nuclear powered laser, essentially unlimited ammunition and more advanced than any other variant in the world. Revealed that they will be used on enemy infantry.
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Meh, Russia will only be defended by whites. Meanwhile America is powered by diversity. Blacks will fight for America, as will the Whites and the Jews. Women will be in the front lines along with men and the LGBT community will be given command of missiles and bombs. Democrats and Liberals will walk hand in hand in protecting the integrity of America. Hispanics will show impressive war fighting capability under the leadership of superior women.
>actually thinking the vodka fueled golems of the north are human, much less white
>russia is defended by whites
Lol
>Russia will only be defended by whites.
The Circassians, Tatars, Yakuts, Tajiks, Azerbaijanis are all white right?
Disappoint user, please don't use White Russian painting in such a manner. The old Tsarist Russia is dead. You disgrace its memory by associating it with a country run by former Bolshevists. They are still in the time of Regicide.
>Immediately tries division tactics on thread that disparaging muh based Russia
No Jow Forums, you are the real jew
Tatars are white.
Op stop posting here everyone is on the anti-russian hate train like a bunch of retarded lefties.
savors of the white race.
US keeps on being BLACKED and BRONWED and will be white minority in less than a decade.
these are fantasy weapons that don't exist.
imaginary deterrents. literally weaponized rhetoric. or rhetorical weaponry.
dreamed up by some embezzled general.
this is the age we live in now.
Incredible.
Truly Impressive. With this one swift stroke... blah blah blah more horseshit from the horseshit experts
Roman Abramovich.
>robot made to be used in space
>they showcase him operating tools, guns and vehicles
>Jow Forums thinks Russia is building them for war like it's some Terminator movie
This,wtf
>be tsarist Russia
>only ended serfdom in the second half of the 19th century
>economy so shitty that it had to import most of its small arms in WW1, let alone planes, tanks etc
>100 to 250 years behind Western Europe, North America
>Reds arrive
>10 years after the revolution, bring radio, electricity, tractors to village where some people were born as serfs
>28 years after the revolution, beat the Third Reich
>40 years after the revolution, be the first in space
>44 years after the revolution, send the first man in space
>50-60 years after the revolution, become the only country in history to be on par militarily with the USA, the only country to actually threaten mainland America
>make several technological breakthroughs, arctic expeditions, first tank composite armor, first civilian nuclear power, first controlled nuclear fusion, first airborne armor, first modular space station
>somehow worse than the Whites
>the Whites who were Erdogan tier religious tards
>the Whites who were led by a literal cuck, his slut of a wife, and the mad ex-hobo banging her
>the Whites who lost the civil war despite the help of the Western Allies, the Czechoslovakian Legion, the Japanese, and despite the fact the Reds also had to face German Freikorps, liberation armies, anarchists and bandits
The 1917 revolution is the best thing that could happen to Russia at that time. Fite me fgts.
Nice CGI. Impressive™.
Looks like better driver then 80% of Russians already.
That vid never gets old lmao.
Circassians are pretty white.
IMPLESSIVE
100 million dead but at least we have electricity, amirite?
What is that in the sky?
Is it fantasy? Is it fiction?
No, it is just some russian propaganda, powered by mediocrity and two digit production numbers.
>only ended serfdom in the second half of the 19th century
They ended serfdom in 1861, two years before America ended slavery. Almost every European nation ended slavery in that same century.
>>economy so shitty that it had to import most of its small arms in WW1, let alone planes, tanks etc
Actually the USSR had to do that. Russia had imports, but the USSR was relying on lend lease. Pic related. The Russian empire averaged 3-4% GDP growth under Nicky.
to 250 years behind Western Europe, North America
In terms of infrastructure, 30 years behind. The empire had a plan to end the "30 year gap", and the Soviets tried to use it but it took 50 years.
>>Reds arrive
They issue Prikaz number 1 causing the imperial army to lose two thirds it's number and lose WW1, they cause a civil war that kills 7-12 million, implement war communism which leads to the famine of 1921-22 that kill another 5-7 million, Holodomor that kills 4-9 million Ukrainians and 1-2 million Kazakhis, then lose 30 million men fighting the Germans who invade because they think they're weak(because commies caused Russia to lose the first world war due to that Prikaz), then another famine from 45-48 even though they're stealing mats from eastern Europe.
years after the revolution, be the first in space
False, the US beat them to space in 47 by sending fruit flies. We sent Albert the monkey in 49,compared to their Laika in 57. They did send the first man into space, but they also did it stealing Nazi tech too in Operation Osoaviakhim. The Soviets had Tsiolkovksky, so it's weird they never had a homegrown program before the Nazis.
years after the revolution, bring radio, electricity, tractors to village where some people were born as serfs
years after the revolution, beat the Third Reich
years after the revolution, be the first in space
years after the revolution, send the first man in space
-60 years after the revolution, become the only country in history to be on par militarily with the USA, the only country to actually threaten mainland America
>>make several technological breakthroughs, arctic expeditions, first tank composite armor, first civilian nuclear power, first controlled nuclear fusion, first airborne armor, first modular space station
And how much of that had to do with the regime change rather than general technological progress, you moron? Russia steadily adopts things 10-20 years after they become commonplace in the west, and has been doing this since the late 19th century when technological progress really took off. Russia might've been a largely rural society but so was the vast majority of the world, incluiding most western countries. Everybody was going through land reform, commie or not, and urbanization was accelerating everywhere, too.
All the great "communist" breakthroughs would pretty much certainly have happened under a monarchy or a nationalist regime, too.
-60 years after the revolution, become the only country in history to be on par militarily with the USA, the only country to actually threaten mainland America
At their height in 1974, they were only 57% the GNP of the US. They had constant food shortages and had to import from the US during the cold war. Russia before and after communism is/was an agricultural giant. They are today.
>>make several technological breakthroughs, arctic expeditions, first tank composite armor, first civilian nuclear power, first controlled nuclear fusion, first airborne armor, first modular space station
Wrong. The modular space station is the INTERNATIONAL Space Station. Their armor genius was literally an American named Walter Christie. The Soviets only developed the Termin and the heart beat monitor.The greatest arctic expeditions were made using Nazi maps or were trekked by Imperial era scientist-admirals.
>>the Whites who lost the civil war despite the help of the Western Allies, the Czechoslovakian Legion, the Japanese, and despite the fact the Reds also had to face German Freikorps, liberation armies, anarchists and bandits
The whites had to fight the central powers plus the rebels in the urbanized areas. The reds just ran away during Prikaz number one and fought from their apartments. A one front war versus a two front war. Those allies weren't attacking the communists by the way. They were literally distributing aid to them.
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>False, the US beat them to space in 47 by sending fruit flies. We sent Albert the monkey in 49,compared to their Laika in 57.
Don't give the vatnik something to grab onto. Crossing an arbitrary altitude marker is not the same thing as going into orbit, not by a huge margin.
but the point is that nobody would've been going to space anytime soon if the Germans hadn't put in the initial R&D. People don't realize just how important the individual ambition of Wernehr von Braun to get people into space was. Ballistic missiles never brought any fruit to the Germans and they took another decade to start working even for the US and USSR. No sane military mind would've considered it a weapon's programme worth looking into if not for von Braun's actual underlying goal and the relative desperation of Hitler to procure a wunderwaffe that might offset Germany's insurmountable oil shortage.
>Crossing an arbitrary altitude marker is not the same thing as going into orbit, not by a huge margin.
That arbitrary altitude marker is space. It's fair to say we beat them to space if what we're talking about is the border of space. Orbit =| Space.
>People don't realize just how important the individual ambition of Wernehr von Braun to get people into space was
I think they do, which is why it's really fucking weird the Soviets never played on Tsiolkovsky's abilities themselves. The Soviet system was antithetical to innovation.
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>He believed humans would eventually colonize the Milky Way galaxy. His thought preceded the Space Age by several decades, and some of what he foresaw in his imagination has come into being since his death. Tsiolkovsky also did not believe in traditional religious cosmology, but instead (and to the chagrin of the Soviet authorities) he believed in a cosmic being that governed humans as "marionettes, mechanical puppets, machines, movie characters",[20] thereby adhering to a mechanical view of the universe, which he believed would be controlled in the millennia to come through the power of human science and industry.
There are people who believe the shit said in those videos and proud of those weapons.
Why wouldn't you? What part about it is hard to believe? It's all technically feasible with technology from decades ago.
I know who Tsiolkovsky is you idiot (he was not even Russian lmao), how many rockets did he build? This board is full of idiots who've never had any experience with the realities of R&D or production, and it shows. Just having a conceptual idea is not the same thing as having a working piece of technology, not by a long shot. There is an immense amount of work associated with every part of designing, testing, redesigning and actually putting into production something as complex as a space-going rocket.
Newton came up with orbits in the 17th century, does that mean England was on the cusp of developing a space program?
"going to space" usually means "going and staying". There is no real difference between shooting a rocket 20 miles up and shooting a rocket 60 miles up. There is a set of considerable advances required to actually put something into orbit.
>he was not even Russian lmao
Poland was under the Russian empire at the time. It had been a century before Tsiolkovsky's time. Yes, he was a Russian citizen and there was no such thing as Poland for a few generations before him.
> how many rockets did he build?
Numerous models, one miniature test rocket designed to be scaled up, using primitive solid and liquid state chemical boosters.
>This board is full of idiots who've never had any experience with the realities of R&D or production
You're clearly one of them. You type like an under ager. There's no way your IQ is over 80 and you didn't even bother to look up basic information before you posted.
>Just having a conceptual idea is not the same thing as having a working piece of technology, not by a long shot
Which is why Tsiolkovsky was working on getting models prepared. It's because of the Soviet Union that he couldn't secure the materials needed to expand the designs, thus his models were limited. He wasn't capable of owning or the means of production necessary to build a rocket, or go to those who do own them.
>Newton came up with orbits in the 17th century, does that mean England was on the cusp of developing a space program?
This analogy isn't analogous. Tsiolkovsky had equations and actual physical models he was testing. He was gimped by the government. He got further than Von Braun would've if Von Braun never secured government contracts.
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>"going to space" usually means "going and staying".
No it's never meant that ever. Otherwise the space race wouldn't have begun until the ISS was built.
>There is no real difference between shooting a rocket 20 miles up and shooting a rocket 60 miles up.
There's a massive difference because of Earths gravity, the necessary fuel and velocity limitations placed upon the vehicle. Every mile counts, and that border is most definitely significant. You just discounted every important variable.
>Kinzhal hypersonic missile
damn, so ballistic missiles can dodge shit now?
The weapons are real enough, there just isn't anything new about them. The nuclear ramjet was tested by the burgers in the 50s/60s, while things like the kinzhal are literally nothing new in any way.
>"going to space" usually means "going and staying". There is no real difference between shooting a rocket 20 miles up and shooting a rocket 60 miles up. There is a set of considerable advances required to actually put something into orbit.
Wrong. Because once something is beyond that border limitation, it can be set into a geosynchronous orbit, essentially unlimited flight time. Getting there is most definitely the most difficult hurdle.
I'm American.
>damn, so ballistic missiles can dodge shit now?
They've been doing that since the 80's.
>The weapons are real enough, there just isn't anything new about them
Exactly. So why are you surprised that ballistic missiles can maneuver since it's been out for about 40 years?
>pic related
It's not the first time Russian's reused missile cases. The Brahmos I uses a similar case to the Shipwreck missile designed decades previously.
>Poland was under the Russian empire at the time. It had been a century before Tsiolkovsky's time. Yes, he was a Russian citizen and there was no such thing as Poland for a few generations before him.
Oh, so you're one of those people who think a Nigerian born in Russia is Russian?
>Numerous models, one miniature test rocket designed to be scaled up, using primitive solid and liquid state chemical boosters.
And? Rockets have been around since the 1200s. What advances did he make? Did he ever have even remotely the means to construct anything on the scale required for a space going rocket? Von Braun was primarily influenced by Goddard. Tsiolkovsky developed the theory, yes, but it had fuck all to do with the soviet space program which was fundamentally grounded in von Braun's state sponsored R&D, just like everybody else's.
>You're clearly one of them. You type like an under ager. There's no way your IQ is over 80 and you didn't even bother to look up basic information before you posted.
It's not that I haven't read the information, it's that the information doesn't support anything of what you've said. Tsiolkovsky didn't serve as the basis of the soviet space program. There would be no space program, at least not anytime soon, if not for nazi forays into large scale liquid rocketry - which only made sense to them in their peculiar situation. Nobody else had a serious ballistic missile program before the end of WW2.
It's funny how you talk down to me while not having a clue what you're talking about. You're one of those annoying turbofaggots who have an IQ of like 115 and think you're hot shit because you were "smart but lazy" in school. You have no practical experience and it shows - you don't understand where most of the time and resources go when developing something. Just shut up already you stupid moron, you're draining braincells from innocent bystanders.
Yes, his equation was used as basis by others. No, a conceptual model is not technology.
TIL MiG-21 is hypersonic
>He got further than Von Braun would've if Von Braun never secured government contracts.
So he got further than back yard hobby rocketry? Whoah. Bleeding edge technology is like 1% theoretical insight and 99% tedious design, testing, redesign, coming up with manufacturing methods, testing manufacturing methods, reworking manufacturing methods, setting up supplies of rare and expensive materials, setting up secondary manufacturing to provide these materials, etc. It's tedious, it's timeconsuming, it's expensive. And it helps a whole lot when somebody else has laid the groundwork for you.
There was no groundwork in Russia. Did Tisolkovsky come up with the rocket equation? Yes. Did he come up with all sorts of cool concepts? Also yes. Did he do anything besides inspire others like von Braun to actually build rockets? No. You are a retard with no respect for or understanding of the entire fucking field of ENGINEERING. Your little nigger semen filled brain is the product of cheap ass Discovery channel pseudo-science documentaries that dumb everything down for morons like you.
>Oh, so you're one of those people who think a Nigerian born in Russia is Russian?
So you're one of those people that thinks that Nigerians are the same things as Poles?
Poles and Russians are both slavic, with varying degrees of Germanic influence. The biggest differences is in language and traditional religious authority. Comparing Poles and Russians =| Comparing Nigerians and Poles
>Rockets have been around since the 1200s
You're a fucking stooge if you think a weapon designed to hit from a couple hundred yards away was the first attempt at spaceflight.
>Did he ever have even remotely the means to construct anything on the scale required for a space going rocket
This is why your post doesn't make any God damned sense. I already told you he couldn't because the Soviets wouldn't sponsor him or let him find a sponsor, but for some reason you put a crying commie picture even though I've railed against it from the start of this post to wondering something that I've *just* explained to you.
>Tsiolkovsky developed the theory, yes, but it had fuck all to do with the soviet space program which was fundamentally grounded in von Braun's state sponsored R&D, just like everybody else's.
That's the entire fucking point you moron. I mean that, I've spoken with very few people I could call a legitimate moron. You're at the top. Not because I don't like you, but because you just cannot grasp what I'm saying at all.
>Tsiolkovsky didn't serve as the basis of the soviet space program.
I literally said this exact thing in the post you're responding to. Read the part where I blamed the USSR for not funding him or involving him. Then reread it so we're both sure you're caught up.
>There would be no space program, at least not anytime soon, if not for nazi forays into large scale liquid rocketry - which only made sense to them in their peculiar situation.
Or if the Soviets weren't in the way. Or if White Russia was around and had the Lyceum system still.
>It's funny how you talk down to me while not having a clue what you're talking about
This is brutally ironic.
>You're one of those annoying turbofaggots who have an IQ of like 115 and think you're hot shit because you were "smart but lazy" in school. You have no practical experience and it shows - you don't understand where most of the time and resources go when developing something. Just shut up already you stupid moron, you're draining braincells from innocent bystanders.
There's no point in arguing personage on an anonymous board.
Where did I say the Mig-21 is hypersonic? Those are two supersonic missiles I posted. How did you get this from that?
>So he got further than back yard hobby rocketry? Whoah. Bleeding edge technology is like 1% theoretical insight and 99% tedious design, testing, redesign, coming up with manufacturing methods, testing manufacturing methods, reworking manufacturing methods, setting up supplies of rare and expensive materials, setting up secondary manufacturing to provide these materials, etc. It's tedious, it's timeconsuming, it's expensive. And it helps a whole lot when somebody else has laid the groundwork for you.
This was literally my whole point. The point being that the USSR controlled via monopoly everything that a budding scientist would need, and instead of giving it to geniuses like Tsiolkovsky, they gave it to asshats like Lysenko.
>There was no groundwork in Russia
You mean the USSR. Soviet sciences didn't really begin until 1927, and even then they were selected based on their politically correct theories on how to make man into the communist image.
>No. You are a retard with no respect for or understanding of the entire fucking field of ENGINEERING. Your little nigger semen filled brain is the product of cheap ass Discovery channel pseudo-science documentaries that dumb everything down for morons like you.
This seems to be based on your level of butthurt based on the fact you had nothing to offer to this conversation, couldn't figure out that Poland was in Russia for over a century, didn't even know who Tsiolkovsky was or what he did, and then failed to understand my point that USSR was a shitshow that set Russia bad decades in every category and posting crying commies at me even though I've been trying to tell you how much communism sucks from the beginning.
You might be it. The single dumbest fuck on all of Jow Forums. The lowest low.
>Liberate™ your resources to fund our MIC to fight the West that's totally absolutely going to happen any day now.
Fixed.
>Poles and Russians are both slavic
Nigerians and Russians are both mammals.
>You're a fucking stooge if you think a weapon designed to hit from a couple hundred yards away was the first attempt at spaceflight.
Nothing Tsiolkovsky built was remotely capable of spaceflight either.
> I already told you he couldn't because the Soviets wouldn't sponsor him or let him find a sponsor,
Ok, but he still fucking didn't and thus the vatnik space program only took off after they procured german shit.
>That's the entire fucking point you moron. I mean that, I've spoken with very few people I could call a legitimate moron. You're at the top. Not because I don't like you, but because you just cannot grasp what I'm saying at all.
Literally you, idiot. Ideas matter fuck all, technology does. Technology is about far more than ideas. Vatniks did not have a home grown space program. End of story, suck a dick.
>I literally said this exact thing in the post you're responding to. Read the part where I blamed the USSR for not funding him or involving him.
>vatniks didn't have a space program
>but vatniks might've had a space program
>so vatniks had a space program
you are fucking retarded
>There's no point in arguing personage on an anonymous board.
but we both know it's true
>Where did I say the Mig-21 is hypersonic? Those are two supersonic missiles I posted. How did you get this from that?
What is your point with posting a regular ass mach 2 ramjet missile? What's so special about it? What does it have to do with vatniks calling things in wrong names?
>This was literally my whole point. The point being that the USSR controlled via monopoly everything that a budding scientist would need, and instead of giving it to geniuses like Tsiolkovsky, they gave it to asshats like Lysenko.
Very well, but how is this evidence that the Russian space program was homegrown? Tsiolkovsky developed the theory, but there was no space program, at all.
I think you don't get what the discussion is about. My point is that the Russian and American space programs derive from von Braun's German space program. Tsiolkovsky provided theoretical background just like Newton did, but the actual legwork was done by the nazis. Can you dispute any of this? Shut the fuck up.
>couldn't figure out that Poland was in Russia for over a century,
I'm Polish you retard, I know damn well where Poland was and wasn't.
>didn't even know who Tsiolkovsky was or what he did
I know precisely who Tsiolkovsky was and what he did, how about you go back and reread the discussion instead of jumping to conclusions like the dunning-krueger fuelled bydlo you are.
>You might be it. The single dumbest fuck on all of Jow Forums. The lowest low.
No, buddy. That's you.
This is my original post, which I have been defending:
Everything else is you frantically moving goalposts. I have never said anything that contradicts Tsiolkovsky's importance as a theoretician. But anybody who is not a stupid NEET like you knows that technology is much more about legwork and infrastructure than it is about theoretical insight. Von Braun did that legwork, and worked out many of the basics of modern rocket design. There was no Russian space program before that.
>Nigerians and Russians are both mammals.
Okay so it sounds like you realize those were dumb analogies to make, being you know, not analogous.
>Nothing Tsiolkovsky built was remotely capable of spaceflight either.
Yes. But there's indications to think that he could've given Russia spaceflight if properly funded a decade before Germany started making progress.
>Ok, but he still fucking didn't and thus the vatnik space program only took off after they procured german shit.
True. I'm mean you're not wrong.
>Literally you, idiot. Ideas matter fuck all, technology does. Technology is about far more than ideas. Vatniks did not have a home grown space program. End of story, suck a dick.
Yes, and if it weren't for communism, they would have. Not only would they have, but they would've beaten the Germans.
>you are fucking retarded
Pick one of those three options genius. Hint: I told you which one was the argument in at least three different posts.
>but we both know it's true
It's actually not at all, but there's no point arguing since you'll believe whatever you want. All we can really know about each other is what we type.
>What is your point with posting a regular ass mach 2 ramjet missile? What's so special about it? What does it have to do with vatniks calling things in wrong names?
Because up there you will find a picture of an Iskander case alongside a Kinzhal case, and they are similar. The Russians do this on purpose in order to cut costs, ease manufacturing, and stick with aerodynamics they already have tested(reducing R&D lag times). It's actually genius that they do this. It's still a wonder to me why anyone would think that picture had fuck all to do with Mig-21s much less implied they were hypersonic.
>My point is that the Russian and American space programs derive from von Braun's German space program. Tsiolkovsky provided theoretical background just like Newton did, but the actual legwork was done by the nazis. Can you dispute any of this? Shut the fuck up.
None of that is in dispute. I even posted above that German technology influenced the Soviet space program as well, since Operation Osoaviakhim was basically their project Paperclip.
>I'm Polish you retard, I know damn well where Poland was and wasn't.
Apparently you saw the -sky ending and didn't realize that Poland hadn't exist when he was born and he was a citizen of only Russia and the USSR-and never even Poland when it did exist. Maybe you thought calling yourself Polish would make you seem smarter, but it's self incriminating that you didn't even know the basic facts. Or bother to look them up.
>No, buddy. That's you.
Wow, what a comeback.
>Everything else is you frantically moving goalposts
From what to what exactly?
> I have never said anything that contradicts Tsiolkovsky's importance as a theoretician. But anybody who is not a stupid NEET like you knows that technology is much more about legwork and infrastructure than it is about theoretical insight. Von Braun did that legwork, and worked out many of the basics of modern rocket design. There was no Russian space program before that.
No shit. My whole point is that communism derailed Russia from a superior alternative. The weird thing is, we agree on Tsiolkovsky, the importance of Von Braun. I don't know what went wrong here since I even agreed with you that Von Braun and the German program built everything else up. I went further and claimed that the USSR owed the Germans as well.My only point was that Tsiolkovsky's potential went to waste.
