Molotov cocktails in the military

Yeah, and police in Belfast have to do regular patrols in armored cars. I dont think we should be mimicking anything they do just on principle.

I miss my Army times. We made remote detonated, thickened incindiary gel canisters. Shit was cash.

youtube.com/watch?v=yHeCgXxVWuY

WP is used offensively alot anyway worldwide, its use it the most minor of war crimes

Because we developed a Flame Rocket system to replace this decades ago, and protip, there are confirmed reports of it being used in the war on terror sparingly

Yes. Duct taping a block of C4 to a propane tank to burn out a house was also a thing (Iraqis love their propane stoves).

There's no-one with you in the house but your squad, no-one within the range of your world outside your battalion. War gives perspective, and smart officers understand that and shield their men from the view of anyone who doesn't share that perspective, so that outsiders don't get misidentified as RPG crews. TV cameras are hard to ID at night.

>Are they allowed

Of course. The question is, who will stop them?

>Are they allowed to do that?

Yes

> U.S. Marines asigned to the Combat Logistics Battalion 1 use a flamethrower to clear brush

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riotcore

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> Napalm, Mixing 55 gallon drums, Test Dropping from B29
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Holy shit! I used to work with a guy that was hired by one of those wounded vet programs.

He told me about that shit, and how they came across the scorched body of sniper that was holed up in a complex they lit up.

He said they were all freaked out when they saw his corpse all blackened and curled up. Then they were impressed that their squad or platoon was stalled by one guy with a Mosin.

I always thought he was bull shitting me.

>my father does not work at Nintendo

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you can use wp as an offensive weapon as long as you intend to burn to death and not poison. also vague retarded shit about not knowingly trying to burn civilians

Not a lot of footage of flame fougasses but they look like the Devil lit a fart when they go boom.

>sparingly
The Marines loved the shit out of the thermobaric SMAWs

>one part liquid laundry detergent, two parts gas
So, what type of liquid laundry detergent works best for this? Asking for an insane friend.

the provos still as big of an issue as I hear they are?

For an insane friend? probably downy.

what you said reminds me of the reporter that got fragged for trying to disarm a marine

I'm gonna need a diagram for scientific research purposes, user.

It's not 'your' army times, it's everyone's.
And it's still in print, don't worry! Pic related!

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Given their lead story, I assume the primary readership is salty SNCO's and Pentagon denizens.

No no no. You see, they are fully aware of the fact that most people think of millenials as 'people younger than me'. Just like if you've been in the military for a year and a half everyone who came in after you is ruining it and it totally sucks now. I guarantee some 25 year old SGT read that and was like "Yeah! Fuckin' millenials!".

It is very effective clickbait. Or PX check-out stand bait.

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Styrofoam

> what is cropping
here's a hint, it's not just for farmers

I just pulled the thing off of google image from a long list of Army Times covers. That was the first one with a sufficiently inflammatory cover, and Image doesn't seem to have the option anymore to search for diff sizes of the same pic.

Only gonna go through so much effort for a joke.

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I've heard of mortar crews lobbing WP then HE to spread the WP around the blast area.

>doesn't seem to have the option anymore to search for diff sizes of the same pic.
You're either using some dumbed-down phone version of google image search, or literally retarded.

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Shake and bake.

Drop HE so they take cover in their fortified position then start throwing in WP too. They burn, suffocate, or come on out to meet the HE.

>oh we gonna light some stuff
>light some towelheads up

Yup.

Even in Canada we practice occasionally.

youtube.com/watch?v=Gu91c2Po3nU

More effective than pocket sand

It's the US Govt.
they have unlimited funds
and have self proclaimed themselves free to do anything they want

Ah yes, nebelwerfers

>not yelling "SOOORRY FOR LIGHTING YOU ON FIRE MOTHERFUCKER"

Not sure if Canadian

Nah, they just changed how to do it and it takes me too long to adapt to change

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> he even says thank you at the end
fags

looks ineffective and pointless as shit for combat

Unless your enemy is in a flammable structure. Land a single good one and now they get to choose between burning or running out from their cover and into your pre organized lines of fire.

Molotovs aren't a good general purpose weapon, they're an extremely easily made field expedient weapon for very specific and uncommon situations.

i suppose you are right but you really have to have a lot of things go right for them to work. glass bottles are actually harder to break than most people think, because they are engineered that way. if you arent throwing it against something really hard and at a good angle where it doesnt deflect, breakage might not reliably happen. in that video, the guy was up high on a platform using gravity to help throw it down at a solid metal flat tank roof. iim sure there are cases where it would be a nice tool but you are right its probably very specific, and in a situation where you dont have some regular issued military soldier gear like frags or incendiary grenades

IDK, i've used a few molotovs in my day outta beer bottles. always popped off fine against chain link, bricks, asphalt, metal, etc. only time one didn't pop off was when it hit the moist dirt of a baseball field and just sorta bounced. Then again i do have a bitch throwing arm. Wouldn't work on carpet or a sofa but would work fine on anything sturdy imo.
>in a situation where you dont have some regular issued military soldier gear like frags or incendiary grenades
True that. I'd take either over a molotov any day of the week.

>glass bottles are actually harder to break than most people think,
They certainly are. I had about 50 various wine, beer and spirit bottles for a foley session recording glass smashes for things like Molotov’s, bulbs bursting, window smashes etc etc.

Fucking wine bottles only want to break around the middle and beer bottles depending on brand would either be tough or super delicate. The spirit bottles we would score with a glass cutter and then throw at the ground to get consistent smashes. They were the hardest to smash.

I can tell you in Baghdad in 2007 one thing we used to encounter were 81/120mm Mortars that had the fins cutoff and wick fuses plugged in. These were dropped off buildings, trying to get it in your gun turret.

Legally you're not supposed to use burning shit as a weapon intended to kill. Dropping HE on the heads of an enemy position is fine, dropping fire is not.

However, using fire as an area denial weapon is fine. So if there's a bridge you want to deny the enemy access to, but not risk damaging with HE, you can light it up with napalm and shit, and you're golden. If the enemy happens to get caught in it, that's ok. Shit happens. Willy Pete is in a similar situation, but slightly similar with how it's both area denial and used for obscuring.

Kinda like with DU rounds. The uranium self-sharpening effect caused superheated (flaming) shards of uranium to fly everywhere, and getting covered flaming radiologic shards tends to totally ruin your day. Iraq took the US to the international court for this shit after Gulf91, but the court ruled in the US's favor because the burning and radiological effects were not the primary action of the weapon, which was armor penetration and kinetic damage.

Same with thermobarics like those kickass xm1060 grenades we had for a bit, hellfire missiles (actually flaming aluminum) and air-fuel bombs. The overpressure is the killing mechanism, the fire is just a side effect.

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>Legally you're not supposed to use burning shit as a weapon intended to kill.
Do go on.

>uniformed armies
>countries that also signed the treaty
There are no current laws of war regarding insurgents.

I stand corrected.

>Incendiaries, to include napalm, flame-throwers, tracer rounds, and white phosphorous, are not illegal per se or illegal by treaty. The only US policy guidance is found in paragraph 36 of FM 27-10 which warns that they should "not be used in such a way as to cause unnecessary suffering."

Must have been one of those little white lies command tells you during wartime so that you don't end up doing stupid shit.

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yeah we used to like using the shake and bake technique HE+WP

thats what im saying. thin bottles like beer bottles arent really a problem to break, i dont think they are tempered but bigger bottles for expensive drinks like wine and spirits have tempering to prevent breakage if dropped. they also have special structure molded into the base, that dome under wine and liquor bottles is actually for structural support to disperse shock and increase strength. im just saying i have experience like this guy trying to smash bottles, as well as accidentally dropping wine or spirit bottles on cement outdoors at pool parties or by my recycling can on the sidewalk and being shocked that they just bounced a bit and didnt break

can a flame set off a high explosive like a mortar? i thougth they needed a detonator in the fuse? isnt that why they are always transported wtihout fuses until right before usage?

Depends on the HE in question. some can, others can't. You can literally use C4 for a fire relatively safely, was a thing in vietnam supposedly. Try the same thing with a pipe full of ETN and it'll blow you to hell.

im not doubting the guys story, i have heard of hajis doing the most retarded things so nothing would surprise me. it sure as shit would scare the fuck out of anyone in the car thats for damn sure

New need to bring chicken wire / zip ties in order to tie down your wick.

I don't know what's in the mortar or how old they are DESU with you. Just random shit we found. I have seen exploisves dropped from rooftops through NVG's, and they sparkled which is what alerted me before the BOOM/FLASH. Urban warfare is confusing as hell

I know. I’m agreeing with you

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i know im agreeing back with you after you agreed with me for double agreement

Just fuck already.

It's like fireworks
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>Use moliotov cocktails - End result they die
>Use flashbangs - end result they die

Pick one

WP is OP youtube.com/watch?v=ud1c5w06Y5E

>incidinary weapons

Big plastic jerry cans full of gasoline and [additives]. We rigged it with MDI cable going to a blasting cap with a wee bit of C4 (too much C4 we were afraid would have scattered the gas too much without lighting it) inside a plastic baggie, stuffed it into the cans. Worked perfectly .

Also one time I turned a bird feeder into an EFP.

>I turned a bird feeder into an EFP
Because ... fuck birds?

Is that picture real?

Because I saw that 12 inch wide copper cone and I knew what had to be done.

I’ve turned wine bottles and pennies into directional explosives too. Anything is an explosive device if you’re brave enough.

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Source?

No, there's not actually a fuckhuge margin around the real cover.

>hey light that guy on fire so we can see his buddies
Seems like a legit reason to me.

neat

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>guy
>Hajis are human
Fucking liberal scum, we would have fixed Afghanistan with napalm years ago if it weren't for you

But to be real for a moment, scorched earth only works in Afghanistan if you’re also willing to burn down Pakistan too.

What I’m trying to say is you need to double the amount of napalm being ordered.

I love how people defend Fallujah as a great fun, and not realuzing they are the invading barbarians burning out the natives.

Its okay though, their revenge is to replace your entire population.

And no, op.
Hague covers signatories, not the victims of.
But the US dont care, gotta invade and kill brown people so they can whine about why brown people hate them so.

>Marines employed Molotov cocktails made with "one part liquid laundry detergent, two parts gas
Probably a stupid question but are there any "official" Molotov cocktail recipes?

It's an improvised weapon, you'd mix fuel with any thickening agent you can find, from polystyrene to soap or whatever else you have.

Yes.

TM 31-210.

>this resolution
>the texture settings
a-user are you ok?

>that dome under wine and liquor bottles is actually for structural support
oh no shit? I thought it was a way for them to jew me on wine amount like milk gallons do with that half-sphere indent.

Just because it's a common war crime doesn't make it any less horrendous.

>horrendous
you mean effective?

Why were these taken out of service?

It's not illegal to employ incendiaries against military targets, to include personnel. Where does this meme come from?

I'm fine, desktop is dead so I use my deployment laptop... from three years ago.

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