France's new IFV

>financing a new thingy when pic related exists
this is why French grunts barely ever go to the range

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Now, let's lie, hide and wait for the first retard to point out that the enemy can simply puncture the wheels to depresurize them

That thing is ancient and the armor is crap

It's meant to fight niggers, it doesn't need insane armor. They could give it the VAB treatment, additional armor and a more beefy engine

Pretty perfect for a recon vehicle. Australia has gone with the Boxer 8x8 with 30mmm gun for it's combat recon vehicle. The Jaguar has 40mm

It's not an APC/IFV, since it can only fit a crew of 4
It's a light recon vehicle meant to replace the AMX-10RC

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Why does that driver look so huge and hilarious

>IFV

If it can't take fire from a DShK, what's the point? And it already looks compact as shit, I don't think there's much room for upgrades.

It looks a bit low to the ground. Can the suspension raise at all?

>fire from a DShK
That's exactly what the VAB upgrade was about. And there's also the 10RC

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>Also, does 6x6 wheeled APCs/IFVs still have a place in modern warfare?
AFAIK wheeled APCs/IFVs seem to be overtaking tracked ones in popularity over the past decade. Perhaps due to low-intensity warfare that doesn't involve complex manures outside of paved roads being the most prevalent type of warfare.

It makes sense for countries like the US and France who fight expeditionary wars in 3rd world countries to do so but I'm not so sure about the rest of Europe.

I suppose it all boils down to how close they can get their off-road performance to tracked vehicles.

They should sell these to civilians and replace the gun with soap-bubble gun.

It's like they attached a cannon to a fucking clown car.

The advantage of wheeled vehicles is that they can be used to level ghetto suburbs without ruining the roads for the rest of the people

>Renault
probably bad. enjoy your manufacturing defects

Renault's problem isn't reliability anymore it's expensive parts costs. Especially since they partnered with Nissan you can only expect their reliability to keep increasing.

>I suppose it all boils down to how close they can get their off-road performance to tracked vehicles.

The fact that they take an order of magnitude less maintenance just to keep running is a pretty big deal.

Sorry I think you mean majority owning Nissan and Nissan part quality has been in permanent decline since their pupping same with Mitsubishi.

I understand tracked vehicles requiring more work and greater expense to maintain them compared to wheeled ones but I'd also expect them to require maintenance less frequently? From personal experience bulldozers, Bobcats, CATs all seem pretty indestructible.

>Mitsubishi
To be fair they've always been the least reliable of the Jap car makers. Kinda like Kawasaki in the bike sector.

That’s not really an applicable analogy given the difference in design requirements, and when was the last time you drove a 70 ton bulldozer at speed?

French colonialism and desire for Franca lingua.

Nice hunting party

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Small, narrow and light. Perfect for jungle and heavily wooded environments where ATGM and RPG use is limited/impossible thus not requiring heavy armor. This means it's good for West Africa and woodlands in the homefront.

Seems like the frogs were on to something after all.

Looks like a copy of a Chinese vehicle. I wonder why the West always copy China nowadays.

Because the combination industrial espionage, lower QC and a shorter drawing-board to production-line timespan, means China can steal western designs and produce them before us.

Thats Jean, they only bring him out for the parades

The Jaguar is part of the Scorpion program which is just obtaining/upgrading modern vehicles and linking them under one BMS.

Leclercs and VBCIs will be upgraded. The VBCI is France's IFV. The VBMR program has two vehicles, one heavy and one light. The heavy one is called Griffon and will replace the VABs, the light one doesn't have a name yet but has been chosen from Nexter and that'll replace VBLs.

The Jaguar is under the EBRC program, and it's essentially reconnaissance in force with anti-tank capability and it's replacing the AMX-10RC/ERC-90 and VAB HOTs.

It's not an IFV you dumb fuck. It's a recce vehicle.

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New canon is fucking mint. Poms are putting theirs on the Warrior and the Ajax.

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It has a pretty crazy amount of firepower for it's class of vehicle. The only thing that seems bad is it is kind of under powered. 300kw engine will likely leave it slower offroad than many larger AFVs and MBT.

I know what it reminds me of

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Why don't 6x6 and 8x8 armored vehicles regularly have armored skirts for the tires? I know they have special tires, but don't those have some kind of limit? What if an enemy combatant emptied a mag into the tires? Not knowledge about armored vehicles.

how do the frogs consistently make such sexy equipment?

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>Rotate turret
>Knock side view mirrors off

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>not an IFV you dumb fuck. It's a recce vehicle.

Same thing.

>Can you deal with choppers with this old Junk?
No
>Can you deal with infantry with this old Junk?
No
>Do you sweat like a whore in a Church in it? Yes
>Does it have any kind of protection against Rpg's or IED?
No

thats exactly what I thought, they somehow managed to threeway the ERC, VAB and AMX10 and this is their baby

Frances has some really funky but kind of cool vehicles.

whats the deal with the the part at the end of the barrel(on the mantlet side) being 45° rotated

>I heard you like gatlings so...

Better version

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Armed recce seems a nice thing to have in Africa and the Middle East, but can't see it work in a peer-to-peer conflict on European soil desu. Splitting it into a light and nimble recce vehicle and an IFV seems like a better idea

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Look at pic related.
Look where shells and spent casings enter in and exit from the breech.
It's there because it can't be elsewhere user.

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Why not both? Aussie's new combat recon vehicle

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>m-muh Renault is bad
Are you aware Mercedes uses Renault engines in some of their cars?
>smartmotorist.com/motorist-news/mercedes-will-use-renault-engines.html

Go away shill, you have a F-35 to fix and make 50% less expensive, and you're not going to achieve this by shitposting on Jow Forums.

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>a new 40mm that isn't Bofors
Absolute madmen.
I like that it matches the Leclerc's aesthetic profile somewhat too. Based frogs.

>infantry fighting vehicle
>reconnaissance vehicle
"the same thing".

Is this the nu-Jow Forums I heard so much about?

I don't care much for your disingenuous notions of vehicle classification. If a vehicle has a 40mm auto cannon on it, fighting infantry is what it will do.

Still pig heavy and immobile, although the extra protection is nice

How will Australia move around its forward observers and JTACs?

>he thinks IFV means it's meant to fight infantry
Holy shit fuck off, nu-Jow Forums.

>I don't care much for your disingenuous notions of vehicle classification.
3 seconds of GoogleFu + 2 seconds to click on Wikipedia article:
>An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct fire support.
>They often serve as both the principal weapons system and mode of transport for a mechanized infantry unit.

It also doesn't seem to have much ground clearance. Looks like one of those lowered cars, which is probably what makes it so cool looking.

Yeah, people don't seem to realise how important light,wheeled, air portable anti armour vehicles are.

Iirc combat reports of ATGMs still put them as inferior to APFSD/HEATFS in terms of hit possibility, hence the need for vehicles like the one in OP.

That's not what he's referring to brainlet.

So how does the Jjaguar/Griffon fit in French military doctrine?

>pic is the VBMR Griffon, a multi-role armored vehicle that will replace the French Army's VAB armored personnel carrier.

What is the french military doctrine? Anyone's got a link where I can read up on that? For France and other countries? I'm all sorts of interested in differences in military doctrines all of a sudden.

>inb4 white flag surrendering bantz

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I won't argue that it isn't heavy, it's heavy as fuck, but it is still very mobile. It has a range of 1000 kms and a top speed of 100km/h.

Well, I don't know what forward observers or JTACs travel in, but there will be a new tracked IFV to replace the M113s in the armoured combat units, but there are more vehicles like the Hawkei or Bushmaster to use. Currently we have the M113s that support the Abrams

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dear god, man. at least try, for fucks sake

Google Strike Brigade. The UK is copying that off the French so you can find a lot of info on French Army doctrine

No, that's what an APC is.

Literally end your life right now.

Infantry fighting vehicles are distinct from armored personnel carriers (APCs), which are transport vehicles armed only for self-defense and not specifically engineered to fight on their own.

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For when you need to find someone and fuck them too.

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I can't stop looking at it. It is so ugly that its beautiful

But both can fufill reconnaissance duties, can't they?

I just looked up recce vehicles. The reason the French one looks like an IFV is because French doctrine dictates that recce vehicles be given the heaviest possible weapons for their chassis. The point of this is to allow them to double as flank protectors. In contrast, German recon vehicles are true speedsters.

So the guy who said the French jaguar was an IVF (aka me) was right. It's just that the French don't know how to name their own vehicles.

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2 different tools can fulfill the same function, therefore they are the same.

>a handsaw and a chainsaw both cut wood and therefore are the same
>a tank and light tank both can both shoot shells on a mobile platform and therefor are the same
>a septic tank and are both full of shit and therefor are the same

Yeah, I guess...

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it looks like something a 9 year old would make

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>IVF
You mean IFV?

Question: Compared to all the 3D-renderings this prototype looks as if the hull sits much lower to the ground.

Now we all know the AMX10RC had some sort of hydraulic/pneumatic airride and could lower itself to be hidden. Is this the same system here or is the EBMR just "lower"?

At this point i dont think he knows what he means. He's just spouting terms and thoughts as soon as he can pass the captcha-filter

nice digits good sir

What's on the top left?

Ballistic white flag dispenser.

>same thing

IFV
an armored fire support platform that carries a squad of infantry

recon vehicle
a fast vehicle intended to scout enemy terrain and perform harrasment/hit&run attacks at targets of opportunity, does not carry additional infantry

>same thing

Goddamn, what a beautiful vehicle, and with a good idea too - use lots of recon vehicles, make them sting real bad if you try to fuck with them, and make them immune to durka durka muhammed muhammed jihads.

Loving it France. Loving it.

But it isn't a recon vehicle. Recon vehicles are fast and mobile.

>Also, does 6x6 wheeled APCs/IFVs still have a place in modern warfare

Yes, but the gun is a weaker caliber than the vehicles it will replace. France is really going to miss those 105 and 90mm guns.

>Recon vehicles are fast and mobile
which it is

>infantry fighting vehicle means that it is supposed to fight infantry

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>compares a Puma to a wheeled vehicle
You missed the slight detail, where a Puma (and CV90) weighs amost as much as a T-55

>which it is
With a ground clearance about as high as my cock is long?

The real advantage is the weight.
You will not be crossing bridges in some african shitholestan in a 32t Puma, you'd literally fall through them.

missiles I guess.

It DID receive a beefier engine. It's been in service since around 1980, it did its time.

Fighting incompetent, high as a kite attached to Voyage 1 african militias was a superb RPG protection.
I have first hand accounts of people who had to remove RPG 7 warheads from the sides of their turret at the end of the day, unexploded because they had failed to remove the safety pin or something.

>nimble recce vehicle
VBL
>IFV
VBCI

What you're seeing now is my normal troll state. (...)
And this "WHAT'S HE DOING" is to go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND.

Ok, to keep it simple, it goes like this :
We have 2 divisions, with 3 brigades each (plus the franco-german brigade, but it is a tale of sadness and sorrow so let's not go there while the sun shines yet upon our content brows).
- 1 heavy brigade (Leclerc/VBCI)
- 1 median brigade (Jaguar/Griffon)
- 1 emergency/light brigade (mountain troops for one division, paratroopers for the other).
So basically, what we're doing in the Sahel (operation Barkhane) is pretty much median stuff.
This is all pretty rough, just to get you an idea.

No, the guy who said it was an IFV (aka you) is dead wrong. This is an AFV. I know I'm the first one guilty of calling ERC-90s, 10 RCs and this heavy recce, but it's incorrect. They are light armor.
And the VBL is much lighter, discreet and agile than a Fennek.

MMP fire and forget antitank missiles with top-attack capability, 4000m range.

Ground clearance is adjustable on the fly.