So Russia is going to counter Israeli APS on American tanks by spamming a shit load of artillery on it? The current TOS-1 carries 30 220mm rockets, this one carries 80 122mm rockets.
So Russia is going to counter Israeli APS on American tanks by spamming a shit load of artillery on it...
Lucas Smith
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James Fisher
No, they are going to counter it with tactical nukes, and their own tanks, like they allways have.
Matthew Smith
>tactical nukes
Those will just get intercepted by APS
Noah Thomas
Kek
Bentley Bennett
Chinese APS can counter 80 122mm rockets easily.
Dominic Perry
>shelling tanks with frag rounds
Are you retarded?
Jacob Green
>TOS
>frag
Cooper Fisher
>Their own tanks
I'm sure all 40 functional Armatas are an adequate answer to America's 10,000 strong Abrams fleet.
Zachary Thomas
I never said it was going to work. Russia has been hoplessly outnumbered ever since the early 90's and will be for the forseable future too.
Benjamin Peterson
abrahams is the equivalent of t64
with Russias new T72B3M even if they're outnumbered they still can defeat entire us armed forced in a few days
Justin Miller
>abrahams is the equivalent of t64
actually, t62
t64 have autoloader
Xavier Martin
that how you kill tank
Arty is king
Jason Bailey
>T-62 is the objectively superior design
>Russia scraps its remaining T-62 reserves and purchase more T-72s instead
Explain
Robert Flores
>T72B3M
T-72B3M is the Biathlon tank, it never enter service
Andrew Reed
>frag rounds
This looks like a frag round to you?
Samuel Brooks
>tfw outdated T-62m that avoided being scrapped and was sent to syria instead, performed very well compared to T-72
Tyler Clark
T-62M have the equal tech level to T-72A and T-72M.
T-62M is out date compare to T-72B.
It performed well when you compare it to Syrian worned out T-72AV and T-72M1
Isaac Sanders
Brayden Bailey
Nicholas Bell
>T-72B3M is the Biathlon tank, it never enter service
wu? it's 2016 mod fixing t72b3 2013 flaws all new t72s are b3m
Jonathan Collins
The T-72B3 Mod 2016 is not T-72B3M
T-72B3M is the Mod 2014 that feature a TC panorama sight in the middle of the turret. T-72B3M is only used in tank Biathalon.
Ryan Moore
also there is not Mod 2013, the base T-72B3 is mod 2011.
Camden Martin
>Being this much of a vodkachugger
Jaxon Sanders
is american school finished for summer, your hysterically wrong
Dylan Parker
>not realizing this is obvious b8
Asher Thomas
Middle looks like cluster bombs but bottom is what?
Brayden James
>Chinese APS can counter 80 122mm rockets easily.
quantum aps
Christopher Evans
>can defeat entire us armed forced in a few days
vatnik facepalm, like a regular facepalm but with two hands because russua has double the palmyness and can outacepalm any nato induced facepalm easily
Asher Clark
middle one is HEAT HE
bottom is just frag
Lucas Martinez
It is well known that Russia has the superior. In the tank is the better than nato in all ways because Russia has fighting spirit and greater tank.
Charles Stewart
*snap*
Christopher Brooks
Right now Russia cannot invade a unified europe(a separated europe would be another thing), the US would easily wreck russia's shit before dinner
No, the reactive armor is meaningless against tandem warheads, the APS will not survive high velocity rounds, your electronic warfare assets will be destroyed with antirradiation missiles, even the S-400 with the combined VHF-L-S radar "antistealth" will only prove to be an early warning system but that's it, and will be supressed from afar until total destruction.
Go to bed vatnik.
Robert Hill
The middle one is a cluster munition, 45 HEAT submunitions per rocket.
Brody Martin
antiradiation missiles won't work if you shoot down the aircraft carrying it which s400 will do with ease
APS Afghanite can easily intercept APFSDS
etc etc etc
sharters and their asslikers don't understand that 70s tech like AR missiles or their old Tandem Warheads won't work against superior modern military which has all assets to counter
Isaiah Robinson
>America's 10,000 strong Abrams fleet
Fatniks never change.
Lucas Thompson
Hows your warthunder twitch channel?
Julian Baker
I dont think the TOS-1 was built for that
Gabriel Sanders
There are currently close to 9000 M1 Abrahams in in service in the US Army alone, with another 500 or so in the USMC.
John Watson
>There are currently close to 9000 M1 Abrahams in in service in the US Army alone, with another 500 or so in the USMC.
Christian Reed
Desu I always wondered why the Russians never made a tracked Grad, like on a T-72 or maybe MT-LB(u) chassis. As far as i know only the Chinese did it (chinkpost unintentional).
Jose Stewart
More like about 6300, the absolute most of which are M1A1 barely equivalent to T-72B and vastly outperformed by T-72B obr.1989 and all the more so T-72B3.
Parker Flores
>vastly outperformed by t72b
Fuck outta here with this you nigger
Brayden Jones
M1A1, 1985: 57 tonnes, 600 mm vs APFSDS / 700 mm vs HEAT.
T-72B obr.1989g, 1988-90: 46 tonnes, 690-800 mm vs APFSDS / 940-1180 mm vs HEAT.
Stay mad, amerimutt.
Dominic Campbell
Enjoy your 70's era electronics and shitty thermals.
Nicholas Lopez
Oh, and uselsess ammunition
Nolan Jenkins
>Not even considering mobility, optics, and ergonomics
Brandon Watson
lol
Nathan Price
vacuum tubes make you practically immune to EMP effects dude
Brandon Wilson
You are vastly over stating their resistance and seem to be forgetting the fact that they are significantly worse in every regard. Also the Soviets didn't have the luxury of choosing one or the other, they only had the industry for tubes for tanks produced on the level of the T-72.
Kayden Moore
Its all cool that your Mk1 Turretthrower has all those cool numbers, but they still mean nothing, and its clear that you have taken the thickest parts of the T-72s front and compared it with the least thick armor on the M1s front.
Oh, and please tell me how your magical T-72 handles ammunition fires. It will be fun.
kek
James Barnes
stop replying to armatard being retarded
Jacob Peterson
Considering he still wont go away when we do that, we might aswell just keep laughing at his poor attempts to make it look like Russia isnt a massive dumpsterfire.
Anthony Sullivan
>we
Joseph Sullivan
That copy pasta again.
William Ward
What do you mean? Wouldnt it be kinda useless if only one poster stoped replying to him and the rest continued?
James Perez
If America added 2000 tanks in 2 years (probably did)
Than Russia still has at least 15,000 tanks (numbers from 2016)
America is still outnumbered when it comes to tanks and considering that the Abrams has only defeated monkey model T-72s and is yet to engage the T-90, T-14, T-72b3 and the T-72b3m
Also considering the fact that not all abrams are M1A2's
Brody Nguyen
These
Thomas Ortiz
I highly doubt that the M1A2 is equal to the t-64 but the M1A1 is definitely better than the t-64 (probably closer to the T-72)
Christopher Richardson
Isnt most of those 15 000 tanks in a pretty poor state even today? And most of them are still pretty old and lacks uppgrades.
Jeremiah Baker
>I highly doubt that the M1A2 is equal to the t-64 but the M1A1 is definitely better than the t-64
What the hell does this even mean?
Luis Reyes
You are comparing the total numbers of Soviet produced tanks to the number of Abrams tanks. You left out that they didn't need to match those numbers because there were other NATO members with their own MBTs.
Ethan Morris
Yes But
>Quantity > quality
If you have both than you'll most likely win
Julian Cooper
Like what most of Russia owns it's in a terrible state. Same for their navy, they still count scrapped sub hulls as active boats. Also they would never be able to field 15k tanks, it simply couldn't afford to.
Daniel Gray
Yeah, but a war wouldnt only be with tanks. The US has for obvious resons focused more on a good Air Force and Navy, and therefore might be behind numerically on the ground.
Xavier Green
Also
>inb4 vatnik
I still don't think Russia could win an offensive war
Oliver Nguyen
Was going to mention this
It isn't WW2 it's going to be more or less anti tank weapons (i.e. Rpg-7, TOW) against tanks than it would be tanks against tanks
David Rivera
>Amerimutt projections
Call me back when you'll have more than just a bunch of shitty 80s overweight BBQ barns in service.
Coming from a shithole that needed like 8 years and the fall of the USSR to figure out how to even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5 this is golden.
>M1A1
>Mobility, optics and ergonomics
Lol.
>I-it's not like it means anything
>It's just the thickest parts!
How does it feel knowing that the thickest armour the majority of tanks in mutt service have is shill thinner than the thinnest parts of T-72B fucking obr.1989?
That absence of arguments in return again.
>Implying we will fight for mutt cause
Fuck off from my country, faggot. No one likes you here.
Jaxon Davis
>Coming from a shithole that needed like 8 years and the fall of the USSR to figure out how to even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5 this is golden.
Are you drunk again Dima?
Oliver Cooper
Since you avoided it once, lets try again. How does your glorious T-72 handle ammunition fires? Where are its blowoutpanels that has been standard in the civilized world for decades.
Asher Ramirez
What the fuck is this thread even about.
TOS-1 isn't designed to destroy tanks, Trophy isn't designed to intercept it.
Aiden Edwards
>8 years and the fall of the USSR to figure out how to even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5 this is golden.
Almost like Kontakt 5 wasn't issued to anything approaching half of Soviet/Russian armor until the late 90s.
>Lol.
T-72 was slower, had HORRIBLE night optics and inferior FCS, and the fact that it could eat the crews arms says enough.
>Fuck off from my country, faggot. No one likes you here.
Lol.
Isaac Morales
What's that, mutt? Truth hurts?
>B-but what about blowout panels?
They don't help when your overweight BBQ barn gets frontally penetrated by ancient Soviet ATGM.
Levi Jackson
>HORRIBLE night optics
France has been selling their optics to Russia for many years now.
Just google: thales russian tanks
Gabriel Howard
>What's that, mutt? Truth hurts?
Where is da proofs?
Jordan Campbell
Nah, almost like mutts are backwards degenerates who were incabable of even attempting to counter Kontakt-5 for almost a decade.
>T-72 was slower
Lol.
>80s mutt night optics and FCS
Lol. The fact that M1 is an obsolete overweight BBQ barn indeed says a lot tho.
Justin Bailey
Do you want me to post gifs of the thousands of T-72s that has been destroyed by ATGMs?
Anthony Gutierrez
Where is the M829A2? Oh right, in 1994, 9 years too late.
Michael Harris
>thousands
Keep dreaming, amerimutt. Now that M1 sees the actual combat the whole world can see how much of a piece of shit it is.
>T-72s that has been destroyed by ATGMs
T-72B obr.1989, frontally? Try and find one, lol.
Cameron Clark
It's called continuous upgrades, Dima. Go home, you're drunk.
Jacob Howard
It's called being unable to produce a round that could even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5 for almost a decade.
Michael Walker
>russia counts hulls as active subs
>russia can't afford fuel
this is the most brainlet post in this thread
please delete yourself
Elijah Martinez
>Desert Storm wasnt combat
>Iraq 2003 wasnt combat
Kevin Lopez
Nope, continous upgrades. Anything else is just your own little fictional spin.
Jackson Richardson
Well that decade is long gone isnt it, just like the USSR you jack off too.
Russian arms development was on a standstill for almost 20 years and that really shows.
Luke Green
>Bradleys riding around dug down Iraqi tanks is M1 combat
Jose James
No OP.
This is for next Russian Hostage Crisis.
You can't negotiate with terrorists.
Cooper Murphy
>Lol.
M1 has significantly higher horsepower per ton.
>The fact that M1 is an obsolete
Compared to what, the under powered, inaccurate, blind, ergonomic mess that was the T-72.
Too late to deal with an insignificant number of vehicles which likely would've been dealt with by aircraft anyway?
Christopher Reyes
Upgrades so continuous it took mutts almost a decade to produce a round that could even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5.
>He ridicules my beloved overweight BBQ barn, he must be jacking off to USSR and is probably a communist too!
Lol, mutts are fucking pathetic.
>Wtf is Relikt?
Knowing how progressively mutt the US becomes, I bet it will take you another 20 years to figure that one out.
Jayden Robinson
see
Come back when you have an Air Force stronger then our Navy.
Lincoln Thomas
Too bad being already an obese BBQ barn it since then gained quite a few tonnes more.
>Compared to what
Compared to anything. It's this pathetic.
>W-we totally didn;t shit our pants when it turned out our shitty rods can't even try to scratch the armour behind Kontakt-5
Sucks to be a mutt.
Jeremiah Brooks
Come back when mutts can survive this.
Jace Torres
Must always be said
Leo Young
you realize russia would get wiped out in any nuclear exchange right?
idk why you take so much pride in MAD.
Jacob Walker
>but muh nukes
This is usually what the Soviets resorted to when they knew they couldnt even dream about winning a conventional war.
Armatard has pretty much alredy ticked all boxes.
Chase Kelly
>no tigers
>no S P A C E
this needs to be updated
Carter Turner
>Russia has to build THREE new tanks just to counter the original m1, leopard 2 and Challenger
Says everything
Jayden Gray
>Compared to anything. It's this pathetic.
Its a good thing you aren't giving any specific details, otherwise you might make an argument.
>the armour behind Kontakt-5
It was only fitted to the T-80U (produced in small numbers) and the '89 model of T-72B. The B model didn't even make up half of T-72s in Soviet service until the mid 90's, much less B models equipped with Kontakt 5. They fielded the response to the armor when it actually constituted a potential threat.
>Sucks to be a mutt.
I know right? Who would want a well run Army, Navy, and Air force?
Camden Flores
vatniks don't understand modern war once
they fap over the paper capabilities of russia's latest wunderwaffe, ignoring the greater context of logistics, economics, and combined arms tactics. This is why Russian tech always gets btfo so bad in Arab armies as well.
Sebastian Campbell
Basically this. They are like modern Wehraboos jerking off to the V2 or something.