/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

To the guy asking about 35M at the end of thread last night. Yes its admin job, idk why you would think otherwise. Read the job description, it gives it away. What gets most guys is the interrogator job title, its totally not that. The difference between me and a 35N is that I handle humint documents, and they handle the sigint ones. Yes, you can go outside the wire, but those are the language qualified ones or 75th dudes. Regular 35M are office whores conus, and office whores with temp assignments oconus.

8 years + sweet, sweet Iraq Surge enlistment bonus + put my shit in the stock market including during the depths of the recession

Well you get housed and fed so like 90% of your income is disposable. The only bills I had was internet and phone. which was less than 100$ per month. Also it's nice when you deploy and don't have any means to spend the money you make, so you return from deployment with a cool 20k in your bank account.

Nice, what was your mos and when did you get out?

89D and I got out in 2014.

neat, what made you want to get out, whatre you oing now, and how fat of a bonus did you get for re-enlisting as a 89D

So this is ama I guess? Aight, I got time.

I got out because the way unit’s were organized changed. It used to be many small units (10-15 people) and shifted to fewer larger units (35-40 people). It made it easier to line us up with deployments to AOs. You could send a single EOD company to cover like 4-5 provinces + special missions rather than cobbling together multiple units. From my end the deployed experience wasn’t much different since we broke into teams and scattered to the winds in country. However in garrison, that kind of organization was soul sucking. It went from being a bunch of bros to a lot more Big Army stupid shit. Also I was used to doing live police department assist missions very often, but in a larger unit you get less chance of being on duty when the cops call. I was also at Ft Bragg which had five units, so cut my chances of doing a live mission or getting a demo day down by 1/5.

Also the combat deployments were wrapping up around that time. People still “deploy” but it’s not like it was doing offensive missions and being on patrol bases, I know for a fact- part of my job was blowing up US outposts that were being abandoned when units were being pulled back to major cities. So in garrison there was almost an institutional push to unlearn all of the combat lessons from a decade of combat. Brass wanted people taught “by the book”. Frustrating to give classes to infantry guys where I knew the class was not reflecting reality.

I was also pushing into pencil pusher territory with my rank and no point in being in the Army if I was flying a desk.

I don’t remember my bonus honestly, I know it was 5 digits.

i hate garrison life, don’t join the army

>Brass wanted people taught “by the book”. Frustrating to give classes to infantry guys where I knew the class was not reflecting reality.

can you give some examples of this?

I will condense it by saying that I have heard multiple senior leaders commit to training their troops without wearing armor because they actually think in the event of a “real war” the US line forces will go back to not wearing armor. Take that level of being out of touch and then apply it to things like electronics, vehicle usage, modern intel devices like FLIR and platoon drones and realize these leaders are tossing all of the changes those have on the battlefield in favor of going back to a manual last updated in the 1980s.

In another particularly palmfacing incident I assisted in the NCO training course where the troops were being taught the basics of identifying IEDs so as to call them in. The school was teaching to quantify IEDs made from artillery shells as “launched” and those from plane bombs as “dropped”. This is despite the handbook itself clearly stating that those categories apply to how the IED itself is delivered. An IED made from a bomb and buried in a ditch is NOT a “dropped” IED. The borderline retarded NCOs running the course refused to budge even though I as EOD was standing there telling them they were teaching things that were making responses by EOD less efficient.

I dunno lot of other stuff. Like nobody knows how to use chem protection gear and treats it like a joke. If somebody like the 82nd ever paratroops into some shithole and gets gassed it is going to be a fucking mess.

No shit, that's why the smart ones do their minimum time, get out, and get real jobs (or at least the contractor versions of whatever they were doing in the military) making way better $$

wew

What do i wear for meps? Asking because i don't have dress shirts

Wear a t-shirt and jeans. It’s a medical battery, not a job interview.

Wear a monkey suit

Anything besides an all white t shirt you faggot

Asking because my recruiter told me to wear a dress shirt and I don't want to be the only one with or without one

Comfy clothes and underwear.

Ok look, go to Wal-Mart and buy the cheapest collared polo shirt they have for like $9 or whatever. Buy some bottom of the barrel khaki pants. Now you’re business casually dressed.

How much shit does a marine have to carry? I want to join the Marines but I have a herniated disk, I'm physicaly strong but I get occasional back pain.
What would be the branch that carries the least shit? I want to see combat

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If you want to see combat you will be carrying gear no matter what branch you join. People need to stop asking how much does “x branch” do/carry. A USAF pararescue guy carries more than a USMC admin clerk. Ask by job, not by branch.

If you do any combat arms or combat oriented job you will be made at some point to carry 100lbs of gear in combat conditions. If you back already hurts I would be wary.

>usaf
>rucking anything, ever
Not even combat controllers

Weird. I worked with a unit that had USAF guys embedded for dismounts. They had rucks. Never saw the insides so they might have just been carrying pillows tho.

I'm talking infantry not some desk job

Then read the second part of the post. 100 pounds between your armor, ruck, and weapon should be expected.

How hard is it to get a potential miss-diagnosis waved? I know I could just lie and say it never happened, but I'm a real shitty liar

What kind of diagnosis and how long ago?

My hyperactive grandma shopped around to get me diagnosed with asythma when I was a kid. I never brought that up and it wasn’t an issue.

So many of the guys I know who finished Basic Training just this past summer already have either gone on a legit combat deployment in A-stan or are about to go on one, just as regular 11bs.

It's totally happening.

You have to take into account benefits.

>so much more work and personal sacrifice

A shitton of your days will be spent standing by, playing video games

Just keep your mouth shut dude holy shit

I got drunk once and was caught my freshman year of collegetwo years ago, choice was either pay a $100 fine or go see the on campus shrink. Told the guy I was having a hard time getting used to college. He diagnosed me with depression and said I was self medicating with alchohol.

Is this a joke?

Lmao no idiot, that never happened.

Hahaha oh wow.

No, no record of that exists.

Even if I was prescribed something?

It didn't happen. Get it through your head. It was all a retarded dream unless you have received a court document telling you that you needed to see a psychiatrist in order to close the case. If that happened then guess what? You saw the shrink and they said you are the mentally healthiest person they ever met.

Thoughts on 10th mountain division?

Alright, poll time, who here wore their id tags( tags):

1) Around the neck
2) Through the belt loop and into back pocket
3) I only wear that shit on inspection days

Fuck Drum, base is shitty as fuck, location wise, and just in general when compared to other army bases.

But 10th mountain, ive never heard complaints about training and shit. Just the usual leadership and living status bullshit.

Its just the base sucks.

You forgot a category for people who wear them 24/7 even in civvies.

Dude, if it hurts to carry shit, dont join the mil in general. You randomly have to carry shit all the time.

No i didnt.

Did they wear them around the neck or belt loop it in civies lol

Go to walmart and get a polo

Also your recruiters dumb

Just sayin wearing them on the neck in uniform and wearing them 24/7 are two separate levels of moto.

Did any of you guys because you wanted to participate in something bigger than yourself or to seek fulfillment
Did you find what you were looking for?

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>and just in general when compared to other army bases
can you elaborate on that?

Civic duty is what got me. And yup, I did what I wanted to do.

There are much better bases to be stationed at then Drum.

Lewis,Carson, Campbell, Meade, Belvoir, are IMO top large bases. Meade, Eustis, Irwin, are pretty good as well, better than Drum. Shit tier, IMO, Drum, Hood, Bliss, Huachuca, Lee, Meyers, Schofield. Secret tier, sierra army depot, diego garcia

How much do 13f/19d have to ruck? I want to be a war fighter cod sniper but I don't want to destroy my back for life then get told by the VA to go fuck my own mother. I *can* ruck a fuck load of weight already, and I'm definitely a good shot, but again- I'm trying to minimize penetration from the long green cock

Alot....they are combat jobs.....

But dude, just take preventative measures, and make sure everything is balanced and you are physically fit to keep on rucking.

If you dont want a physically demanding job, dont pick one. Otherwise you sound like, oh my gosh guys i wanna be airborne ranger, but I never wanna jump out of planes or do shit because I dont wanna get hurt."

>I want to be in a hardcore combat job
>But I don’t want to lift anything heavy

Jesus Christ, you guys need to accept reality and either shit or get off the pot.

Jow Forums told me that the branches have published workout routines. is this true and where can i find them? im joining the army btw.

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Type in us army PRT program. Its only a conditioning program, so dont expect to get crazy results or anything. It literally will just make you average fitness level.

PRT. It’s fucking garbage. Any unit worth it’s salt doesn’t actually follow it.

You’re better off doing some 5x5 + running. Do a ruck march 1-2 times a month.

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well the SOF prep programs are in the pastebin in OP

No, I want to jump out planes, I want to do all of that shit. I'm in excellent physical condition and frankly love hard exercise and the prospect of killing/dying a warrior worthy of Valhalla. Just old enough to know that even the hardest- hard dick mother fuckers will have dog shit knees and backs if they carry heavy shit all day every day

>and the prospect of killing/dying a warrior worthy of Valhalla

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You can be an airborne badass or you can keep your knees intact. You need to fucking choose.

Well, then you know the risks, and its up to you to decide whether or not you want to knowingly sacrifice your physical well being to do what you want to do.

Total faggots.

Join the marine corps if you want to be a man

Running fucking sucks massive cocks.
t. fatty getting ready for bmt

Holy shit you're right. I forgot the only reason I'm doing this in the first place is that I don't plan on living forever. Fuck my joints and fuck the world it is.

>falling for the benefits meme
There's no reason for shit like the GI bill to exist when they could just pay you more instead. It's a way for the government to save money because they know not everyone will use it and many who do will fuck up in the process. The same goes for free housing/healthcare/food etc, rather than pay you to be able to afford it yourself they buy the worst version possible in bulk and then offer it as an incentive. Ask yourselves, why don't they just get rid of all these roundabout ways to reward service and just compensate people directly?

Completely irrelevant as long as you dont fuck up. Live your life, if other people fuck up and dont use the gi bill thats on them.

They carry their portable AC units
You're not seeing combat without carrying a massive sack of shit unless you're a pilot or ISIS
Because it costs a shit ton of money to just "lolincreasepay"? What's your point exactly? The benefits are free to use for whoever puts in the effort to apply for them, and if you're not a retard you can save up a ton for investment.

The gi bill is probably the only good benefit. 3 years of free college plus competitive pay(incentive) to actually attend and stay in school. Sure you could get scholarships, but not everyone can.

I do agree with the free housing and food, I would totally opt out of that shit and take BAH to live off base and eat better food. But then again im a grown ass man and know how to find an apartment and know how to feed myself. Alot of these 18 year olds dont even know how to do laundry.

Obviously it is more cost effective for the military to do bulk everything. Also when it comes to housing and medical the military wants to keep its lower enlisted together and ready, and it is going to track the medical status of troops. It would be a far bigger clusterfuck than it currently is to track all that medical shit down from GIs going wherever forca Doctor.

>Food
Not getting paid the separate rations allowance.

Seriously my dude, I walked into the Army at 18 and left in my mid twenties with 6 digits in savings, money it pursue a degree, a military job that looked good on a resume, and a lifetime of various passive discounts. Seriously doing better than the majority of my non-military peers right now.

You can only opt into the BAH if you're married or have a kid, right?

That's true, but it's still exploitive in nature, the system basically exists because the government knows it won't work for everyone.

>Because it costs a shit ton of money to just "lolincreasepay"? What's your point exactly?
It costs a lot to pay for colleges and 3 years BAH too. Why not just pay the equivalent during your actual enlistment? The point is benefits are a meme and a way for the gov't to low-ball you while dressing it up as this different thing "benefits". I understand the budget is tight as is, but the principle of the matter is that this is underhanded.

>That's true, but it's still exploitive in nature, the system basically exists because the government knows it won't work for everyone.
Welcome to real life dude. Life is is me vs you. You cant save every retard.

The government doesn’t pay that extra money directly, and discussing it on here won’t change things. The question in real terms is if what is offered is a better deal than what you can get elsewhere. For a lot of people it is.

OR you are too high rank to live in the barracks, or there is magically no room in the barracks for you.

At what rank do you start getting BAH in the army?

Don't do that.

is it true that it's smarter to put two years active duty on your contract and then opt for two more once those are up instead of doing 4 to begin with

What did he mean by this?

You are so full of shit. TACPs ruck everywhere. In their school house they ruck everyday. CCT and SOWT also ruck just as much as their parent unit usually an Army ODA.

Honestly, it depends. Its a risk to take the 2 year, because the jobs are gonna be infantry or something shitty, and there is a chance you end up hating mil life and mil in general so you probably wont reenlist, then you dont get any benefits and have wasted 2 years.

If none of the above happens, that ya it could be worth it for infantry, just so you can reenlist with some cool schools or your choice of duty station. But honestly, theres no point in doing any of that since you can get an op 4 or op 40. And try and get schools or preferred duty location by working the system.

I mean sure, you do 2 years, get a bonus maybe, then reenlist for a bigger bonus and airborne and preferred duty location, but, you also risk the chance of first paragraph happening and you leave without any benefits.

You cannot know if youre gonna be able to handle mil life. There is no way to prepare or predict that you will be able to live the life. Its all mental shit, some people can handle extreme stress, and some cant. You wont know which one you are until you sign up.

Getting married while in the military

Join the army as a reservist, use the benefits to go to college, then go active duty, good idea or bad idea? Also would it be possible, or even allowed, to operate a business while on active duty?

Oh. Why not?

Should I do army reserves?

It might be feasible to run some kind of Etsy store type bullshit, but anything more complex, no you simply won’t have the time or the reliable schedule, even in a bullshit admin job

It doesn't usually work out.

Thanks, I was figuring it would be very difficult with the schedule and everything.

What business idea?

My folks left me 180 acre of farm land and I've been trying to find something profitable and productive to do with it.

How does one decide between 0321 and 0317? Is 0317 a primary MOS yet?

You could contact a lawyer that specializes in landlord/tenant relationships and set up a rental situation. Keep the lawyer on retainer to handle the day to day stuff.

The pretty much puts the money making situation on autopilot for you. You probably want to designate another family member with some authority in case something comes up when you are in the field or deployed.

Thank you user, that's very good advice.