Why is the Canadian navy worse than the Australian one if they have a bigger budget and like 10 million more people?

heh

He's mostly right though. Canada is basically a US protectorate, they don't have to worry much about their own national defense. NORAD has them covered.

NORAD isn’t a free ride, Canada is expected to contribute to it

We also end up having to defend the northern border all the time. There's a bit of a cat/mouse game with Russia where they fly bombers over the arctic and then our interceptors escort them back to Russia.

Kek

Real answer: the Navy budget for building more ships is where the government plunders funds to cover whatever retarded virtue policy they have going on at the time. Every campaign for the past 20 years has promised to rebuild our Navy, every formed government allocates a good few hundred mil to it in budget, and every administration then comes across an image crisis it needs to throw magic money at to not look bad and the magic is looking the Navy budget down to below basic maintenance. Conservatives did it, Liberals are doing the fuck out of it, if the conservatives do it again next term we will have 0 boas in the water left.

This is not an exaggeration: we lost our last blue water ships 10 years ago. we have no warships larger than frigates. We only have 6 frigates left. Those 6 are in a perpetual state of what I call Russian Operational Swap where 3 are locked in dock at all times being stripped for parts to keep the other 3 barely afloat during the time it takes for the budget to catch up and fix them. Our new Arctic patrollers are armed with nothing bigger than 2x .50cals

The reasoning is we can rely on US for coastal coverage which is only as true as the peaceful eventless status quo, we bargain our Arctic passage rights away to China pretending theyre not gonna walk all over us and there aren't 20 Russian subs underneath it all, and we rent warships like a goddamn timeshares from our ex-enemies to fulfill our overseas NATO obligations. Meanwhile nobody in the country that has a voice complains because military spending is bad anyways surely we don't need a single functional destroyer when you could use that money to build a new school, what are we foolish warmongers like the USA? And the ones that should care are just.. silent. The most puzzling part of this to me is all of the people that should know better, that see the country becoming so alarmingly weak. The foreign policy experts, the economic predictors, the goddamn Navy in its entirety, everyone knows we have the largest sovereign coastline in the world to patrol and defend, a growing Arctic passage that will become one of the next generations major global concerns for shipping and military strategy amongst North America, Russia and China, and save for our one single landbased trade partner an import/export economy that is completely maritime based.

It truly fucking boggles the mind that this isn't the most important issue at the forefront of Canadian politics and society atm. People just don't believe in bad things happening unless they're sudden and sensational I guess, the decline of the Canadian Navy is literally the slow death of the Canadian Nation, hooray for us to be alive to fucking witness it.

fff

If Australia decided to invade Canada, who would win?

Assuming no outside help, just using their standing forces.

Neither can project force all the way to the other. Stalemate.

Canada. They wouldn't kill anyone, thereby winning the conflict.

Aistralia solely on the basis of bring the invading force. Neither side has the power projection nor the public support. The invading force would have near zero public support since we have no reason to fight eachother and it would just result in their own country falling into a shitheap.

Autralia would lose*

fpbp

What are you gunna do about it if Canada doesn't contribute?

If Canada wants to surrender the sovereignty of it's airspace to the US that's fine

Fellow Leaf here, this is more or less accurate. The Navy is in shambles and we have effectively no way of enforcing out northern borders. China and Russia can basically do whatever they want up there at this point.

Someone needs to show the public a map like pic related. The government here acts as if the globe just ends up at the north pole and there's nothing beyond it. No one realizes just how close we are.

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Canada should jump in with the US icebreaker program at this point. The US is looking for fast acquisition with construction to start in 2020, and Canada would benefit from economy of scale and commonality.

Become the next 20 states and then you can actually mooch off our navy
Become the hat you were meant to be

Please annex us, I want the 2nd amendment and real property rights.

You have to agree to nuke Toronto and Vancouver, though.

Be patient; OZ will catch-up to Canada's mediocrity

But you guys have 12 Halifax class frigates not 6. Of course based upon how old they are and the lack of funds for actual repairs I wouldn't be surprised if you are right about everything else

Australia because they have spare parts and working equipment.

Why Canada would need a huge Navy?
In fact, 12 frigates is just fine, most of the European countries don't have this.

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European navies don't have the largest coastline in the world to secure

My mistake I meant 12/6 not 6/3 rotation

It's also commonly known that 2 of our 4 subs are in drydock for repairs at any given time

Frankly I'm surprised that you have even 1 submarine working at all

We really only need to worry about the arctic coastline. The Pacific coastline has Alaska as buffer so it's covered by the USN, and there are no enemies on the Atlantic coastline.

US icebreaking is a joke.

We wuz kangz of da seas tho :'(

>there are no enemies on the Atlantic coastline.
Until the French decide they want Canada back

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We really should just buy some new Diesel submarines from a european contractor. These retrofits do nothing but cost more money than the jobs it sustains.
Buy 5 submarines to patrol the arctic. Further establish bases in Alert to protect against any aggression.
Get the americans to sign a special pact about patrolling the arctic against chinks and russians.

>Get the americans to sign a special pact about patrolling the arctic against chinks and russians
Why should we? Canada will just do it for free :)

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While the total coast line is large the part anyone cares about is tiny.

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Bigger budget =/= bigger or better navy

Australia focuses way more on their navy than most countries (at the expense of overall manpower), the Canadian/Aus airforces and army are more comparable

Wow, you'd think if they had their stuff together they could have the most powerful arctic navy on earth!

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Canada NEEDs nuclear subs to operate under the arctic and protect their massive coastlines. 4-6 virginia class subs would shut the russians out of their sector of the arctic.

Here is what they need"

4-6 virginia class subs
6 Arleigh Burke destroyers (fitted with SM-3s for ballistic missile defense, these could be tied in to NORAD)
12 - legend class cutters with half of those fitted with towed array sonar and SH-60 helicopters

and a few logistics ships.

That would be the perfect navy for Canada's needs.

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Santa'll give them coal

Nah what we need is to give the US some money and have them build and crew more ships to protect us. Much more efficient that way.

> this thread
> Tfw all I ever wanted to do was join the Navy and serve and be proud but there's literally nothing left to join and now I'm too old for it to be viable

There is no face :'(

illigal fishing fleets assfuck the atlantic coast like cod fish are worth more than caviar, its fucking despicable how we get less of a take from our own waters than the foreign fleets, while our east coast industry died like my dreams

We had a nuclear sub program, but it was fucked by political fuckery from the Americans.

How is the frigates replacement program going anyways? How likely is it that you guys will pick the Type 26? Or is it going to get cancelled or delayed again?

Because French. They are the biggest obstacle to completing anything.

>Let me just post what america would use to patrol the areas Canada is lacking in

Because Australia is nearer to China, and Canada is nearer to America.

>finland could have had a slice of the arctic resources pie but the soviets cucked them
feels bad man

in peace time: nothing
in war: it will be annexed by the US and all of Canada will then bend over for the Americans to plunder oil and will never be a sovereign state again.