Nuke Threat (oppenheimer pls)

So I was just reading this incredibly interesting article:

thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578

And its changed my understanding of MAD a bit. I used to think Russia was overly paranoid about US ballistic missile defense, since there is no way the US could shoot down hundreds of ICBMs.

What this article says though is that the accuracy of upgraded US ICBMs and warheads is a gamechanger. And it also, much to my surprise, says that Russia doesn't have a space based infra red warning system- they can only see missiles when they are picked up on radar, leaving them very little time to respond. So what the article is basically saying is that the US could effectively pull off a successful first nuclear strike. The accuracy would allow the US to decimate even hardened launchers on land. The limited BMD facilities the US has in Alaska/California and building in Europe would get the few that survived and sub launched missiles, hence why Putin is so paranoid about those.

Pretty interesting article, what do you guys think? I was also pretty alarmed by the lack of Russian space based sensors... I was not aware of that. The US instantly knows when someone so much as tests a rocket motor on the other side of the world.

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Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Support_Program
thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Aerospace_Defence_Forces
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident
fas.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/W76nanos.pdf
russianforces.org/blog/2017/05/launch_of_the_second_satellite.shtml
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

I find it hard to believe Russia dosen't have a DSP equivalent. The US is already thinking of upgrading SBIRS.

I am largely ignorant on the subject, hoping someone like oppenheimer is browsing tonight.

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I actually work on SIBRS/DSP.

the difference a different fuse can make...

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What do those stand for?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Support_Program

What we use for missile warning.

oh, that must be interesting. probably not something you get to talk about often.

Sure lol

>they can only see missiles when they are picked up on radar, leaving them very little time to respond. So what the article is basically saying is that the US could effectively pull off a successful first nuclear strike.
This is amplified by reportedly US / Allied boomers regularly patrol near Russian coastline that it reduces launch to strike time into a mere handful of minutes.

Eh, I talk about it enough when I'm at work.
What I'm getting at is we had MiDAS before DSP, so we've had sensors since 1960. Do you really thing Russia has not a damn thing but radar.

I'm an AF E-4 buddy, not that hard to snag this job.

>Do you really thing Russia has not a damn thing but radar.

Thats what the article asserts, and the writer seems like a legit expert. Maybe once the soviet union fell apart the russians couldnt maintain a system.

Well I fucking hope he's right because that's actually kind of funny. You've given me something to ask about though.

Jow Forums in general has a difficult time with things that go against "common sense"

Russian space based EW is very lacking.

>Do you really thing Russia has not a damn thing but radar.They have some, but its coverage is very limited.

Its largely correct, but that state of affairs has existed before.

Oppen, how does each nuclear power's EW system stack against the US one? I wasn't aware that the Russian one was as limited until now. I'd assume the US shares with France and the UK, but how well does everything work overall?

>Oppenheimer !!bd8BUj0eKSN
Do you have any specific career advice regarding employment in the Nuclear policy and Defence Policy Sectors

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>thebulletin.org/how-us-nuclear-force-modernization-undermining-strategic-stability-burst-height-compensating-super10578

I believe our early warning system is commanded by NORAD which is a joint Canadian/USA command headquartered at Cheyenne Mountain

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Although there are massive radar stations like Pine gap in australia and one in scotland (both run by the US). I imagine that info would be shared among NATO and allies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Pine gap isn't a radar station, mate. It's an intelligence station, it connects to American satellites as they pass over Asia.

You're thinking of JORN, which (as far as I know) doesn't detect missiles. It ties into Australia's defence doctrine. Surface ships and aircraft get picked up far before they can get near Australia, submarines pick them off, and our air force finishes them.

BAE fag, plz.

SBIRS is a lockmart product my dude.

Hey Oppenheimer. I'm the guy that talked to you a while ago about the politics of Iran/nuclear terrorism and the possibility of radiation emitting weapons for terrorist attacks (you're advice was don't publish my findings because vits likely to be ignored at best and get me on a watch list at worst).

Anyway thanks for stopping by we were afraid you were gone. Please don't think the retards that hop the borders from Jow Forums represent us.

>Please don't think the retards that hop the borders from Jow Forums represent us.
The fuck does that have to do with anything you moronic nigger

That's one of the reasons he said he quit posting

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>Russia doesn't have a space based infra red warning system- they can only see missiles when they are picked up on radar

wait what?

really?

i'm honestly shocked.

I always thought that the Russian government made strategic nuclear weapons their absolute highest priority. Do they try to compensate with sleeper agents living in Bumfuck, Wyoming or something?

I assume they compensate with threats and propaganda like always.

>compensate with sleeper agents living in Bumfuck, Wyoming or something?

the article was specially about new fuses for trident warheads. I don't know if that applies to landbased minutemen icbms or not, or if the article is implying a first strike would be carried out solely by subs to decrease warning.

Doesn't Russia have a bunch of mobile truck-launched nukes? I imagine alot of those would survive.

This
>seems like a legit expert.
You've got to be fucking shitting me

>Russian space based EW is very lacking.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Aerospace_Defence_Forces
They have a branch devoted to this one thing.

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Retarded. Soviets have satellite radar pointed at the US. That's how it almost triggered a nuclear war when soviet sat mistakenly picked up cloud reflection as missiles.

He's some middle aged Jewish guy that gets butt raped in other boards so he comes here to name tag then samefag to get his rocks off. He doesn't actually have buttlickers. He's one reason everyone hates namefags

Good post,oppensamefagger has gone off the rails this time.

>Radar
>Picking up cloud reflection
Thanks for outing yourself as clueless about this subject.

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>Clouds
> an aerosol comprising a visible mass of minute liquid droplets, frozen crystals, or particles suspended in the atmosphere above the surface of a planetary body.
>Liquids cause refraction and ducting
>Can cause harmonic frequencies to disperse, being a liquid
>user thinks none of this can happen
>Especially given the lack of quality in legacy systems
Hmmmm....

Clouds do reflect em waves.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident

It's a shame you had to spoon-feed that lazy retard.

>outing
See you on /his/,yidd. Stay seething.

Key word, reflection, as in sunlight reflection. I bet none of you know what system could possibly be triggered by such a reflection, so I'll give you a hint that it wasn't radar.

>Hurr durr it's THE JOOS
Oh vey the goyim know

The MC4700 fuse is good. It helps keep US strategic defence relevant, because we limit deployed RVs and missiles on our SSBNs by treaty. The replacement for Ohio class will have less tubes for Trident as well.

This helps save money, allows legacy warheads to become effective, and frees up W88s for other purposes.

Check this letter out from a guy involved in the update. He references that the CEP can be reduced by half or more. Imagine 100kt exploding less than 40 meters away drom wherever we want.

fas.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/W76nanos.pdf

What about the Chinese? They're very fast in innovating. Do they have those space based missile locators?

I doubt that US missile defense will deny Russia from being able to strike back. The pK is estimated as 56% so 4 missiles per warhead to get 97 % effectiveness, and we have 44 total interceptors for ICBM warheads. Not good if Russia is going to launch even a small fraction ton of MIRVed weapons at us.

>Hurr durr it's THE JOOS
>Oh vey the goyim know
You're taunting me /his/ jew.
>Key word, reflection, as in sunlight reflection
It's funny, all those threads you made about yidds being high IQ but you let disprove it every time. Radio waves reflect,refract, diffract, and gets absorbed. Radio waves getting reflected is literally how radar works in the first place you dumb fucking mind splittingly stupid retard.

You are a special kind of stupid, arent you?

Why am I from /his/?
I haven't posted a thread on Jow Forums in years, I think you have me confused with somebody else. No shit radio waves reflect, but I'm saying it wasn't a radar detecting sunlight reflecting off of clouds that triggered the warning.
Lrn2read.

From your own fucking sopurce, dipsit.


>Satellite Systems:

>Liana space reconnaissance and target designation system (2 satellites of electronic reconnaissance 14F145 "Lotus-C1")

2 fucking satellites.

>He's some middle aged Jewish guy that gets butt raped in other boards so he comes here to name tag then samefag to get his rocks off. He doesn't actually have buttlickers. He's one reason everyone hates namefags

Who are you talking about?

What was the name of that traitor who took Hydrogen bomb secrets from los alamos and handed them to the russians ....think girlfriend was involved, multiple handoffs. Saw it on PBS but the show never re[aired.

The (((Rosenbergs)))

The Rosenbergs?

What are your opinions on the viability of the koreans "nukes" and their "missiles".

What is your opinions on the state of canadian defences such as navy, radar, and air force.

And the big one is the thoughts on large scale conflict in the sandbox between 2 real countries like israel and iran within 25 years/

addendum, seeing as both the iranians and the israelis have real force on force experience in their military roster becasue of the saddam era Arab wars.

no the name was "Hill" or something like that. Yes involved with Rosenbergs but he "fled" to England and lived clean and untouched after handing over the most info.

The Russian troll warehouse is open for business today.

>No shit radio waves reflect
Then why did you say:
>Key word, reflection, as in sunlight reflection
Implying you didn't fucking know that before you double checked it on google since you associated reflection with sunlight only and not radio(which the radars Oko was peripheral to did use for backups).
>"I haven't posted a thread on Jow Forums in years"
Doubt.

>Russia's early warning systems mentioned in negative light
>Thread gets filled with posts attempting to derail about jews and other board's drama
I wonder who could be behind such an unforseen turn of events!

>Then why did you say:
(You)

Because I assumed anybody posting about the well known incident with causes one google search away was referring to the cause of the incident, which was sunLIGHT reflecting off of clouds. If you're conflating radio waves with light, you should have payed more attention in your physics II class.

>Doubt.
Jow Forums has gone down the tubes and I haven't had anything worthy of making a thread about since early 2016.

*Paid.
I've been playing Max Payne 3 for the past few days, please forgive me.

Wrong.


russianforces.org/blog/2017/05/launch_of_the_second_satellite.shtml
>Satellites of the EKS system are the only early-warning satellites that are currently in service. The old US-KS/US-KMO system ended operations in 2014.

Russian space EW sucks ass. Deal with it, fuckstick.

>Russian space EW sucks ass. Deal with it, fuckstick.

That's what they want you to believe you stupid cunt

>I'm only PRETENDING to be retarded!
Business as usual in Russiastan

how fucking cool would it be if someone dropped a frag into the silo? What would happen?

Worst possible case you blow up rocket fuel, probably. It's not easy to make nukes accidentally pop. I'd say pushing impossible, in fact.


Los Alamos fag here, I'd say the best place to start is an internship at Los Alamos or Savannah River unless you know people in policy. Policy you generally need to start knowing people and the politics tied to it first.

Oh I know it's impossible to get a nuke to ND, but imagine the fireball if you DID ignite the fuel. It'd be pretty interesting to test. We should send a request to the AEC.

OPIR

Look it up.

The rocket will probably leak fuel and oxidizer.

This.

my thoughts precisly. Surely this is not a cultural push back that is organic. Surely pissing people off on the reg, and continuing to do it while pushing south Carolina style legislation would not result in the people being more pissed off and seeing it as an even more obvious validation of their feelings. Surely no damage control and self evaluation is in order.

Its fucked up. Charlie Chaplain said it. There is enough room on this earth for us all. Yet some fuckers dont just want their room, they want everyone elses room, and control over their thoughts. Because ya know. thats not fucked.

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>You're taunting me /his/ jew.
Watch out lads, we've got a regular Einstein over here!

>I always thought that the Russian government made strategic nuclear weapons their absolute highest priority. Do they try to compensate with sleeper agents living in Bumfuck, Wyoming or something?

That's "The Illegals" program by GRU and SVR. When shtf they should perform numerous terrorist attacks on US soil, attacking military objects, infrastructure and other shit. Rumors, that there's about 5-7k so called illegals in the US

So Russia does have a space based infra red warning system after all or what?

They do.

>Oppenheimer !!bd8BUj0eKSN

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So this is why China is building their own space station.

I am going to rewatch that film now.

I can't understand why this wasn't done in the first place. At a low angle of entry it seems absolutely necessary to have it entirely location fused. Say for instance you are attacking a base at a low angle, and the re-entry vehicle's radar proximity is flying towards it but sees a reflection from a mast (many bases have large masts out the front of them), thinks its the ground and bursts prematurely miles away from the hardened target.

Possibly there was a local safety proximity/altitude interlock necessitated in policy, and someone finally won the argument and did away with it. Improving INS, yada yada.

The do but it's very limited. As was stated numerous times.