The Marine Corps Gets Modernized! US Marine Corps Reveals The Future Marine Rifle Squad

And people get mad at you for not sharing, duh.

>Thoughts?

Their claim that 1 well aimed bullet from the IAR suppresses as well as a burst from the MG is some fucking nonsense because you can done 1 aimed shot with an MG as well, or rip a burst when you need it.

Seems like:

SL: Rifle, range finder

and

3x Teams with:
TL: Rifle with grenade launcher
Gunner: SAW/LMG
AG: Rifle, gunner ammo
Rifleman: Rifle + drone or AT tube or etc

Works better.

Should have focused on making a lighter SAW light the MK46. Lighten up and replace those ancient radios.

Get the fuck outta heard with making a patrol carry huge AT tubes. Just give ‘em LAWs or something same sized.

If you want to modernize, start sticking mini thermal optics onto weapons in the squad and making lighter versions of all the electronics. Don’t just keep piling shit on top of people.

Funny. Top lulz.
What he said.

I'll still speak my mind. But stop being 4chans tumor.

The guy next to you at the grocery store is a vet. You don't know it, because he doesn't talk about it. God forbid he can anonymously rant on the the Internet. Lol.

Time for some crayons. Yum.

.......
What the fuck is this post.

I believe it is the result of too much crayon in the brain.

This. What do the PFCs/privates do?

Have you tried the M27?

...kids

I’ve fired an H&K 416. It was fine, handled like a rifle.

When I say wondering how it holds up, I mean how are they going to look after ten or fifteen years of use. Especially since the plan is to truly replace SAWs with them it means a lot more use of full auto through them.

Machineguns burn through barrels, it will be interesting to see the logistical implications when every infantry rifle is also being used as a light machinegun. Lots and lots of barrel wear across the whole force.

It also doesn’t address the tactical implications to the loadout in terms of weight distribution or the sustained fire concerns.

Wtf Is your post? I'd rather hear from a veteran. It's 1 thread out of all of Jow Forums and you spoiled it.

The real question is if they’re gonna use magpul drums.

>416
>handles like a rifle
Gee it’s almost as if that’s what they were going for

Three men isn't a fireteam.

You seem to be entirely missing the point of my first post. Logistical implications and tactical implications of trying to treat the whole squad like automatic riflemen. Perhaps go back and reread it.

It is in a clutch. We called them skeleton teams. I operated one.

That was the lightest fucking “banter” I’ve seen. How thin is your skin?

Weak sauce. Played.

So I read that the idea of suppressive fire within the corps is changing from 'the scary sound of machinegun fire and many rounds landing nearby' to 'the scary sound of a few rounds landing very close by'. This is what the M27 is meant to be better at, with its 2 MOA accuracy. Even when used in the sustained fire role, the M27 wouldn't necessarily be fired full-auto except at short ranges.

Anyone want to comment on how realistic this is? Can you *really* achieve sustained suppression equal to a SAW with 5.56 in semi auto?

Norway has used 416s since 2005 and they hold up fine. Since 2012 or so with exclusively steel core ammo. Conscripts don't shoot much but TMBN and the special forces do run through thousands of rounds per rifle each month.

>id rather hear from a sjw emotionally unstable veteran and not the other vets that are completely fine and stable.
Gosh. Hows the book coming along?

>implying we even know what we're shooting at 1/2 the time
HA

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The faggot and I?

Book is going great. Publishers love how gay you are.

Yes it's a thing, no it's probably not as effective a thing as the marine corps wants it to be.

They are still keeping GPMGs in the platoon, so there will still be belt feds on platoon assaults and defense.
The real open secret of suppression is HE being better at it than most people realize.

>sustained fire HE

now this is a squad concept I could get behind

So everybody gets a giggle switch, fire team level grenade launchers and a drone
I want to see what the Army gets next if anything

My boyfriend in the Army says you go girl.

The army gets to sit back and laugh as every marine squad gets completely outgunned by a pair of baddies with a PKM.

Having a super elite 2 MOA heavy barrelled magazine fed rifle instead of a M249 is no good when enemy fire is coming from the general direction of 'over there' and you need to put a fuckload of bullets 'over there' right now to shut them up.

Completely unrealistic.

It sounds like an idea born from some crusty fucker babbling on about Muhreen accuracy winning wars. Generals in WW1 said the same shit. Peacetime makes militaries stupid.

It’s not about using a weapon, it’s about using it as a sustained full auto weapon. Using a weapon as a machinegun is much harder on the barrel. You are shooting more rounds through a heated up weapon.

In a sustained engagement a SAW might reasonably go through 500 rounds delievered in automatic bursts, and they aren’t always the doctrinal 3-5 round bursts either. The IAR is also a weapon design which isn’t allowing very much air cooling so it will take longer to cool down between firings.

The Marines are approaching this from a doctrine of more accuracy and less volume of fire. That doctrine will get its shit pushed in when the real world happens.

Why are the Marines acting like this is a big deal? UGLs have been part of squad for decades. This propaganda video is lies to make the new squad seem more impressive. 40mm has always been used as part of fireteam tactics.

>Choosing a heavy-barrelled 5.56mm rifle fed from a 30 round magazine as your primary source of squad automatic firepower

now where have I heard that before

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what the fuck is this?

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How drunk are you user.
No shit they lie, but if it means less men carrying more ammo, specifically 40mm I'm pretty sure most are fine with that.
>only bring 6 magazines, 210 rounds total
>but do bring 30 40mm HE
fuqye

From the Soviet.

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I dunno but it looks like it would fuck up an Arachnid warrior.

The concept was fine but the execution with that jamomatic piece of shit that couldnt even keep its clothes on was the problem.
Also just to mention that fucking dust cover doesn't do shit.

mesa thinks photoshop or a ten trillion dollar launcher that is 1% more effective than the one it's attempting to replace

>The concept was fine
So fine the Brits scrambled to buy the M249 as soon as they actually had to do some fighting?

But people already do that; launcher equipped guys wear grenade belts and shit already. This video is straight up lying by acting like the Marine Corps just in 2018 discovered 40mm.

My question is when are going to get around replacing or retiring this thing? They’re slow in the water, it’s like 40 years old and it breaks down all the time. When’s the Corps going to stop pretending that ship to shore assaults is still a viable tactic? What would happen to all the amtrackers that would be left in limbo?

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Looks like a video game laser weapon

Oh I'm sorry did they have the same fireteam/doctrine?

Nice but can we get rid of that Godawful cammo

Summer Already

Even the Russians pretty much gave up on the RPK and just use the PKM as a true GPMG since it’s a relatively light gun.

>this video is lying
>No shit they lie

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It's a net launcher to knock down quadcopters.

Lots of barrels with gaping throats.

Responding to the post saying they’ll carry more grenade ammo. Grenadiers already carry 15-30 grenades.

They should buy Chinese.

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Seriously just change it to green or some other environmental cammo. Anything but 50 shades of black and grey vomit

>outgunned by a PKM
We can shoot farther than 300M dude.

>but do bring 30 40mm HE
The point of the post was bring more fucking 40mm you jackass try to keep up.

EVERY MARINE IS AN AUTOMATIC RIFLEMAN

OORAH

I like how its chambered in .45ACP for maximeme stoppin powah

How many times has the automatic rifle doctrine been tried and abandoned? Why do militaries refuse to learn from history?

because jarhead brass need to give money to HK

It’s the same thinking communists have.

>It only failed because we didn’t try it enough!
>Real automatic rifle doctrine has never been tried!

Hell the USMC was doing something similar a long time ago.

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>3 3 man fire teams
>instead of 3 2+2 man fire teams

doesnt this make the smallest "manouver unit" the fire team?, basically halving it from the previous setup.

anyways nothing beats 2x4 fireteams with an mg3 each

>burn barrels in Korea and Nam
>pull head out of ass for 40 years
>burn barrels in Iraq and Afghanistan

As a former marine special forces sniper, this looks good. real good.

Largely this.
The whole plan gives the USMC M27s to replace the M16a4/M4s they have. They're hoping that by the time they need a GPMG or LMG again the Army will have worked out the caseless version they want.

thats a big a2 flash hider

Spartan laser. Good for taking down covie Wraiths and Banshees, even the occasional chieftain

are there no privates in the infantry?

I thought the whole point of the universal adoption of the assault rifle was the recognition that most shooting occurs at

They're supposed to award the contract for the replacement to either BAE or SAIC sometime this year.

BAE is probably gonna win because it can carry 13 marines while the SAIC offering can only carry 11.

The original RPK with a 75 round drum isn't a half bad idea. They just executed it poorly, put the bipod on the barrel, didn't issue enough mags and ammo. Nobody liked to carry it so PK/PKM it was.

Is Lance Corporal really the marine equivalent of a private? Are there any privates in the Marines that arnt in training?

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Update!

The Marine Corps has announced that in a move to maximize lethality they will equip every fire team with a portable metal storm system, replace plate carriers with Dragon Skin Armor, and issue MP7s to all E7s and above as side arms.

The lowest rank in the fireteam will now be E7, with E8 team leaders. An LTC will act as the squad leader in the event that there is no full bird Colonel avaliable.

>everyone has FA
so does that mean the USMC is retiring the M16A4? what are they replacing it with? M4A1s? Surely they aren't giving an IAR to every squad member

>Surely they aren't giving an IAR to every squad member
That's pretty much their plan. One guy will have some DMR-y M27 called M38 (if it passes trials).

Yes that’s exactly what they plan on doing.

>5.56mm DMR

Keep hitting those homeruns, Marines.

So literally what does the auto rifleman do different from anyone else? Sounds like they're just getting rid of the auto rifleman position and renaming rifleman to auto rifleman

Unless they're gonna have M249s but it didn't come across that way

Did you even watch the video? The plan is that they are all the auto riflemen.

It’s retarded, but that’s the plan.

Almost everyone picks up private first class in infantry training before going to the fleet. Those that don't pick it up like 1-2 months later. 9 months after picking up PFC you pick up lance as long as you dont fuck up. You rarely see privates in the fleet, and if you do there's a good chance he was demoted from pfc/lance.

yea I did but I guess I'm just thinking "if everyone is an auto rifleman, no one is"

Have you ever considered that maybe the "bullet spam" school went too far in the other direction?

...no?

In what world is less firepower better than more firepower?

>muh accuracy
That scores points on the range but as mentions you often aren't trying to suppress a man-sized sillhouette at 300m, you're suppressing a wall or a window or a foxhole.

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No, and about 100 years of warfare backs me up.

10 rounds splattered all over a building is less effective firepower than 5 rounds into the window that was being aimed at. Scary snapping noises and some dust doesn't actually work on hardened fighters, you know?

You really drink the Kool-Aid that the IAR is *that* much more accurate huh?

Your’re replacing an M4/M16 with a notionally more accurate rifle and deciding it means you can pull the SAW away.

The idea that Marines won’t go full cyclic the first time a PKM opens up on them is fantasy.

>go full cyclic the first time a PKM opens up on them
>four a few seconds, then have to reload

My point exactly. Then the PKM guys establish and maintain fire superiority. Shoulda kept a beltfed around.

Intermediate caliber 'machine guns' are fucking lame anyway. Give every marine a IAR if you want to but back them up with some belt fed 7.62 real fucking NATO.

No one can be this ignorant.

A ten round burst from an M27 is more accurate than a ten round burst from an M249 will ever be.

I've tried this hands-on with HK416 and Minimi Para, both less than 3 months old and

How can the marine corps afford to reequip everyone with an IAR? Aren't they like the poorest branch because the navy controls their budget?