There are ten rounds that are actually relevant in 2018:
5.56/.223
7.62 NATO/.308
7.62x39
.22lr
9mm
.45ACP
.380 ACP
.38 Special
.357 Magnum
12 gauge
Everything else is niche (.300 Blackout), on the way out (.40 S&W), for antique collectors (7.62x54r), or only important in some far-off foreign country (5.45x39).
Just thought I'd point this out.
>there are ten rounds
>lists twelve
Nice blog post
2019 is the year of the 327
buy in now
>implying 2019 will be the year of revolvers
i don't think so, but I like it.
>2019 coonan makes a sudden comeback
My body is ready
>9mm
>45
pick one
>38
>357
same thing
Also id add something like 300 win mag or maybe 6.5 creed in there just for a real long range round because 308 isnt that good there but otherwise i agree
I don't get why people knock 308 for LRP. It's been used successfully for decades and will continue to be used successfully for years to come. I won't deny things like 300WM are better, but 308 is far from " not that good"
I get what you mean and it isnt bad by any means but his list lacked a true long range round
.30-06 trumps them all
#fudd4lyfe
How is 380 still relevent? Most manufacturers have brought out 9mm models very close to their previous small pocket 380 models. The only new 380 i have seen in a while is the m&p ez and that is kind of a niche use.
Preach it, brother.
>Also id add something like 300 win mag or maybe 6.5 creed in there just for a real long range round because 308 isnt that good there but otherwise i agree
6.5 and 300 Win Mag aren't relevant. They're niche cartridges maybe two steps over somebody's wildcat round. Almost nobody actually uses them.
>How is 380 still relevent?
Because a lot of people still buy them for small, light-recoil carry guns.
The US military uses 300 win mag and is looking seriously at 6.5 which is the new standard for the long range game. They arent as relevant as the other ones he listed maybe but they have a place
This guy gets it. M1 Garand is the ultimate rifle.
>.45ACP
>.380 ACP
>relevant in 2018
I agreed completely until you included these. I feel like they're a little more debatable, but I still think they're pretty solid choices. I honestly can't think of something better to replace them the more I think about it.
>.38 Special
>.357 Magnum
interchangeable since 357 revolvers guns are very popular and share both
>.380 ACP
has it's ccw reasons, but is the one I'm most likely to question whether it belongs
where's the 22 wmr
The fuck? Where have you been for the past month? 300 winmag has always been relevant and it's about to explode in popularity
>he can't enjoy crates if 5.45
Feels good to ne Europeon
What is the purpose of this thread?
>nogunz
There is none
this but unironically
>6.5x39 for long range.
You're a fag and i am feeling a 6mm lee navy comeback
creedmoor not grendel, my bad. Though i do quite like the idea of grendel
>The fuck? Where have you been for the past month? 300 winmag has always been relevant and it's about to explode in popularity
"[Insert new trendy meme round here] is about to take over the gun world" - some chowderhead, every six months or so. One thing to notice about that list of relevant cartridges is that there isn't a single one under half a century old. Meme cartridges come and go, but the ones that matter stay the same.
You are wrong.
Utterly wrong
5.56 MM is a thing, it a shit thing though and your cheery imagination can't stretch to the wonder that is 20mm, 338, 50, 300WMag, 44Mag or even the right hand of death itself .577 because you are a pussy who' mind is directed by what you perceive is popular on a site dedicated to masturbation, vatnik sputum, faggot nazis and trolling.
>at 6.5 which is the new standard for the long range game
338 bitch. Go home. 6.5 is nothing in long range. 300WMag is ok.
Forgot 50 bmg
.50 cal roundball will never go out of style faggot
>for antique collectors (7.62x54r)
There are ten millimeter rounds that are actually relevant in 2018:
10mm automatic
10x25mm
.40 Automatic Cooper Pistol
.40 Smith and Wesson Long
Just thought I'd point this out.
>327 master race
dem digites
i see you subscribe to the fudd school of thought
>BIGGUH IZ BETTUH !!!!
>on the way out (.40 S&W)
9mm and .45acp are old rounds. .40 is a newer design and has only really been used in America. .40 has proven itself and will retain a following (especially as police trade ins continue to hit the market)
All three rounds will likely be commonly available for decades barring legislation
1963>50 years and has always been popular. It is about to be more popular. Also you really are trying to say that .380 auto isn't a round that was temporarily taken off life support and is about to go into a coma again?
To display intense and utter faggotry in all of its forms.
It's practical usage. You have obviously geared this thread for relevance to self defense otherwise you would have put .44 mag and .50bmg at the very least. There's a pretty significant difference when a 6.5 cm reaches out to a target over 1 km away and when a 338 lapua or 50 bmg reaches the same distance
327 general shaming, obviously.
.35 Remington master race
You know how it is
Jow Forums is a progressive board
intolerance versus minority cartridges will not be tolerated
>#.327FederalLivesMatter
>#SCUDTheFudd
>#TheFutureIsNow
>How is 380 still relevent?
It isn't. 32 ACP is vastly superior.
This guy gets it. 380 a shit and will die off soon. 32acp will return in for as people want a niche smaller than 9x19 pocket gun.
>.32 is the patrician's choice
the king .357/.38 is dead, long live the .327/.312 king
8mm lebel is the thinking mans cartridge.
>small
>light-recoil
Not with 380. That's why there is 32 and 25 ACP.
This chart just convinced me that .327 is a meme
Agreed with everything except 40 and 380. 40 is more popular than 380 arguably.
>power =+ to .357
>one/two extra rounds
>less recoil
>doubles as a stun-gun using blanks
>extra thick brass and 45000psi saami (60000 proof) rating is a reloader's dream
.327 federal is a meme.
a meme ahead of it's time.
its time is now.
If this user is right, kel-tec could release a .327 autopistol at any moment and absolutely rock the firearms world.
>this product is unavailable
.380 and .40 are the ultimate cuck rounds.
both were made for the satisfaction of wimps
they must die as they have lived; a quiet death.
shit I had that idea sometime back in /hg/ around here.
>Keltec PMR32
>Keltec CMR32 carbine
That would be a hell of a handy gun in either form.
(imagine if you could swap a PMR with a CMR upper to turn your .327 autopistol into an instant rifle)
>Most manufacturers have brought out 9mm models very close to their previous small pocket 380 models.
Very close is not the same, and there's no 9mm version of the NAA Guardian present or imaginable, much less a 9mm Seecamp.
But .380 is a shit round. I hope and pray that .32 NAA will somehow gain popularity (spoiler: never gonna happen) so all these .380 pistols can be rechambered in a cartridge that will make them fun to shoot rather than merely tolerable. An LCP in .32 NAA is already on my gunsmithing projects list -- glad I can afford to shoot expensive rounds for fun.
I'd love to have an LCPII chambered in .32 NAA. Shoot, one in .32 ACP just for shits and giggles would be fun.
>No 6.5 Creedmoor.
Your list is horseshit from the go. KEK
>.40 made for the satisfaction of wimps
>still has more energy and terminal ballistics potential than 9mm
How's it feel faggot?
you forgot 44 mag
>9x19
>10x22
The .40S&W wasn't designed to be 10mm. It's a bigger bullet than 9mm, that's basically what the FBI wanted... A heavier, more energetic round than 9mm, with less recoil than 10mm
Honest question, will we live to see a cartridge that challenges the 9x19's dominance?
>Doesn't list 10.4x38 Swiss Rimfire or
7.65x20mm Longue
>(imagine if you could swap a PMR with a CMR upper to turn your .327 autopistol into an instant rifle)
I'd love that, but it's worth noting that the .22WMR versions are much less similar than they appear at a glance, and there's no realistic way to hybridize them. Hope they would take that into consideration in a future model, though.
Also,
>Pistol
>Magnum
>Rimfire
>-
>3
>0 rounds
Shouldn't it be PMC-20/CMC-20 (or however many rounds they wind up holding)?
Fun fact: for any factory .380 barrel, seems like you could make a stepped barrel liner with the front (from the shoulder forward) of a .32 NAA chamber in it that you simply push in from the chamber end, using an appropriate loctite or epoxy to hold it in place and fill the gaps created by the 380 rifling. It would be a little hard on brass, since the .380 chamber is actually a little wider than .32 NAA at the latter's shoulder, but I don't reload so IDGAF.
Not sure that's how I'm gonna convert mine (thinking of simply machining a whole new barrel from a large diameter barrel blank), but if any commercial gunsmith is reading this, it crosses my mind there could be a market for such a thing.
>A wimpier, less energetic round than 10mm, with more recoil than 9mm
9mm: because capacity (and/or because cheap)
.357sig or 9x25: because high energy with chick-friendly recoil
10mm (full power loads): because more power
.40: because... we're stuck in a time warp where .357sig hasn't been invented yet?
There's nothing wrong with .40 (I carry one to shoot coons and possums), but it's just not optimal for anything today.
Maybe? 9x19 is like 5.56 at this point; perfectly adequate and super well entrenched.
There'd have to be a really, really, really good reason to change things up.
>There'd have to be a really, really, really good reason to change things up.
And with 5.56, there just might be -- CTA/PCTA, because soldiers carry fucktons of 5.56 everywhere they go, making rifle ammo lighter is a big deal. (Bonus points if we can exploit the change in cartridge tech to shift to an optimal SAW cartridge that we also shoot from assault rifles, instead of an optimal assault rifle cartridge that we also shoot from SAWs.)
But there's no reason to jump on PCTA pistol cartridges because if you're carrying fucktons of pistol ammo around, you're doing something horribly wrong.
>.357sig or 9x25: because high energy with chick-friendly recoil
Not eveyone is looking for a high velocity, lightweight projectile in a handgun. Again, .40 has more energy than 9mm and is available in a surprising range of weights. It can also be loaded to achieve 600 ft-lbs of energy in a firearm the size of a 9mm
>perfectly adequate
that sums up so much of what's wrong with modernity. The 9mm is the epitome of this mindset. 100 years and nobody has the balls to refine things in pursuit of true perfection.
I want PCCs for that new FK 7.5 round. I want more experiments with 8mm steyr bottleneck cartridges. I want trails of belted cartridges for pistol loads in conjuction with lever-delay actions (similar to the Benelli B series)
I want roller locking to be looked into beyond the CZ52/delta top gun memes. I dream of so many things, and it makes me weep for the state of this world that so many yet do not.
It all comes down to $$$. Look at the FBI, has two rounds designed for them based on their needs (.40S&W and .357SIG) after turning down 10mm and dropping 9mm. Back to 9mm because performance matters less than the bottom line when you're dependant on tax dollars
caseless ammo honestly has so much more promise for pistols
>smaller size so reduced chance of breakup
>can allow for more dwell time for smoother recoil
>eliminates the need for long slide travel in operation
>low power subsonic caseless ammo when suppressed could be even more quiet with no ejection port opening and improved back-pressure mitigation.
It holds tons of promise in sidearms/PDWs
7.65x53 Argentine.... Def more relevant than 5.56
>Nobody uses 300 Win Mag
Literally everyone I know who hunts big game uses 300 Win Mag.
The shit that works tends to be the shit that sticks around. Like Browning's pistol actions, Luger's 9x19, or Stoner's AR platform. Guns are about compromise for a specific role and certain things just work for this mindset.
Firearms manufacture has been refined to this point. Having all sorts of meme cartridges and weird actions is the opposite of the perfection you seek.
That's my point.
Has the institutional momentum made the 9mm timeless?
>Nobody develops 9mm replacements because "its fine"
>nobody considers replacing 9mm because nothing has been developed.
Self fulfilling prophecy
One of my favourite cartridges! It was way, way ahead of its time.
300 BLK is on the way in faggot. socom is requesting special m4a1's be designed for it and police departments all over aus, Europe and FBI HRT teams are replacing mp5s with 300 BLK ARs
>Inb4 .45acp is just as good.
>Hurr Durr what is a ballistic coefficient and sectional density.
30-30, 270, and 7mm mag all spring to mind
Nah, people are still developing replacements and trying to sell them, e.g. 6.5x25 CBJ.
But nobody's buying because 9mm is fine, and upgrading costs money.
patrician taste
>manufacture has been refined
mass production of simple designs? yes.
the art of marksmanship, firearms design, and mechanical longevity and performance? not even close.
we don't have time for these aims, not because we lack the will, but for lack of courage.
>far off foreign country
5.45 is pretty good and reasonably popular. Also while 1911s are antique .45 ACP isn't necessarily useless.
no .50
no 25mm bushmaster
why live
I can't wait until 6.5 mm Grendel gets a more serious look after additional eastern block countries adopt the round in lieu of 7.62x39
9mm master race
I've been getting the itch for a wheel gun lately so I don't really mind all the .327 threads and posting lately. But seriously wtf? what's with all the shit being posted about it now?
If Jow Forums can get fucking trump elected we can at least meme .327 into catching on.
>implying 8mm mauser isnt the greatest cartridge ever developed
45-70 is the only fuckin' government I trust.
I’ve got a bushmaster...
...in my pants.
.40 short and weak is just straight up a worse option given that .357 sig, 9m and 10mm exist and all are more compelling in different ways.
i honestly would add 5.45 to that list, there are enough ak-74 builds,imports and ar 15 uppers in it that it will never die off
B8
>5.45
Is the fudd lore of the "poison bullet" true?
F
>t. 9mm owner
it fucks up ballistic gelatin pretty well with 7n6 ammo, the only problem with it is, some commercial ammo like ras is completely under loaded, 60gr fmj should be 2950 out of a 16 inch barrel, tula is around 2700
Yeah, the hollow tip-yawing thing is pretty interesting. I wonder how it compares to traditional rifle expanding rounds, like soft points. Probably cheaper over all.
Go to bed grandpa
I'm... actually okay with this. Jow Forumsarry on.
.40 SW is making a comeback this year in a big way thanks to the next big thing from Sig in 2018 Q3.
Screencap this.