US military large scale adoption when? Only one per person of course

>singaporean army
>combat

also, drum mags are heavy as shit and tend to be finicky. what purpose would there be for a standard infantry troop to have one? if there's a rush, there's a machine gun nearby

The Ultimax was never "widely used" and all the commie fucks with 75rnd RPK drums stopped using them ages ago.

Drums won't happen. If anything casket/coffin style quadstacks might enter service but that's still far off.

Apparently Delta Brand Delta operators like them.

Of course motherfucking Delta is the polar opposite of “wide use” so he is still dumb.

the drums and mags in general on the ultimax were shit. granted the guns were aesthetic as fuck especially with the drum, but for combat they sucked and worked poorly. the best thing about the ultimax is mainly the recoil reduction system.

operators and special troops always like their own things, like spetsnaz using a ton of RPDs and snake eaters in vietnam using the stoner 63

>heavy as shit
Barely heavier than two taped together mags.
>tend to be finicky
Not well designed ones.
>was never "widely used"
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimax_100#Users
>casket/coffin style quadstacks
You mean like the one Magpul made, realized they couldn't get it totally reliable and then made the D60?
>were shit
Citation needed

I can pack 3 30s in the same box that is fit for 1 60.
40+5 is where it's at.

>have one per man
this is intended to be the primary mag loaded before heading out on patrol or whatever I take it?
>get into contact
>empty mag
>now have to just drop it and leave it behind because its fuck huge and barely even fits in a drop pouch
So we have to keep buying them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

>Barely heavier than two taped together mags
but you're suggesting having the drum in addition to those two mags, and it's still heavier than both of them combined. grains make ounces, ounces make pounds, and you only disregard weight if you've never had to march with it.

>Not well designed ones
even the best designed drums are intrinsically more finicky and unreliable than normal magazines. there's a reason every major military that used a drum got rid of it very quickly (blechtrommel, thompson drum mags, actual drum mags for the MG34 before they were replaced by drums that just held the belt, RPK drums, etc.)

You're saying the drum mag on an LMG is a reason a standard infantry rifle should be issued with drum? You're a fucking retard

that list of users is pathetic. the ultimax is a good gun but it completely failed at becoming a major exported firearm. any attempt to do so died in the 90s and now the only people that give a fuck about it are just the singaporeans.

Never, because they are super fucking heavy to save one reload. And expensive.

They already make a pouch for it, issue one per guy.
>intrinsically more finicky and unreliable
Citation needed
>got rid of it very quickly
Because they took an all or nothing approach to them, and/or because they were cheap bastards. I've never heard of that MG34 mag but clearly there a belt container is more practical.
>You're saying
Pic related. No, I was pointing out that drums are in widespread use. You're a fucking retard.
>it's not the most popular LMG on earth so it wasn't widely used
That's not how it works.
>super fucking heavy
Let's not exaggerate too much there

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>same length as 30, only a little bulkier

And more than double the weight with no effective way to carry it while not in your gun except a big open bag.

>more than double the weight
almost like it carries double the ammunition

I've never seen them carried to a vest, do they stack in some type of worn canister? That would be the tits.

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Put it in a SAW pouch.

>Let's not exaggerate too much there
it literally weighs twice as much per round.

>Citation needed
when cartridges are wound around a very tight circular spring, most of the time are compressed from double to single stack (not applicable with ARs, but relevant nonetheless), and involve more moving and interacting parts, it's intrinsically true that they won't be as reliable as mag body, spring, follower, all in double stack

>Because they took an all or nothing approach to them...
blatantly not true. thompson drum mags were issued in addition to regular box mags and were abandoned for being too finicky, heavier, and more rattly, same with the RPK and the PPSh, and all oc which are still applicable today. if there weren't significant problems with drum magazines, militaries would be all over them because of the added capacity, but as it is they offer too many disadvantages to box magazines with not enough pros

>You're saying
not even sure why you're responding to my post, but you are a fucking retard. the ultimax isnt a widespread-use weapon, and a single remaining LMG using a drum mag doesn't automatically debunk every other issue with drum mags

You can carry a lot more ammo in flat 30 round mags, comfortably than you can in drums.
Sure you could put 3 drums on your chest but 6 mags is going to be more comfortable, allow for more freedom of movement, do a better job of allowing you to share your ammo, do a better job of helping you control your ammo expenditure, be more reliable, be easier to load and especially unload and save the military a bunch of money.

Too heavy. The genius of the AR-15 is the light weight.

>They already make a pouch for it, issue one per guy.

Those suck dick.

Citation still needed.
>most of the time are compressed from double to single stack
I can't think of one that is, most aren't.
>involve more moving and interacting parts
Like what? A slightly fancier spring setup doesn't change that it's a spring and a follower.
Citation needed.