What led to the ukrainian arms industry becoming so bad?

A few reasons which anyone can osint

- from 1996 to 2002 the tymoshenko faction sold off most of the good and working shit to africa,
- what was left in stockpiles was 1960 shit which was worthless to Libyan, Somalian and other warlords
- most of their weapon designers and major builders are either in vinystia or Donbass. Major builders like Luhansk cartridge works were stolen by the Russians in 2014, and the factories have been looted + taken back to Russia where the tech is now working for tula and feroprom group
- because ukraine still uses Russian tech and Russian army doctrine, key parts and units required Russian components which ukraine lacks the tools and skills to build
- the arms industry is a cash only business, which is why even the big dogs like lmt and Gd have short term bond issues, a cash poor country like ukraine can't afford replacement shit to build r+d divisions
- alot of their stuff is working and in the field, but because this is a actual war the shit is not published and is deniable
- because it's a cash industry, graft is horrble
- because it's a state conglomerate, unlike the USA or Uk, there is no rfp or tender process. Units and armies can not issue their own competitors. By the time the request for a resupply or design prototype reaches oboroprom, it's 300x expensive and impossible to build because every guy has a slice of the contract to "advise" and nothing left to build the order.
- turf war between tymoshenko loyalists / yanukovich buracrats and poroshenko executives who want to clean up the corruption and audit oboroprom books. Think "drain the swamp" level implications, but unlike Clinton, tymoshenko has no problem killing a village to keep her shit quiet and cash flowing

T. Big guy.

>tymoshenko
can't wait for her to get in power again in 2019 and ruin ukraine more desu

"Kharkiv Morozov Machine-Building Design Bureau"

So basically Russian monkeys fucked it up?

Are you implying that kharkiv is in russia?

>kharkiv
no such thing

Same reason Russia has had similar issues. Brain drain + no money. The entire Ukrainian economy is just a bit larger than that of Puerto Rico.

>Russian
youtube.com/watch?v=64hqMUo4ROY

>Same reason Russia has had similar issues. Brain drain + no money. The entire Ukrainian economy is just a bit larger than that of Puerto Rico.

It was even worse than Russia. The Ukrainian military and defence industry was left to rot until very recently.

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but they don't

Another piece of ukrainian "tech" that will never see daylight

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you had to mention russia, didnt you?

>cordial discussion in a ukraine thread

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>russian thread
>you had to mention russia, didnt you?

what did he mean by this?

>russian thread
it's a ukraine thread

>russian thread
>it's a russia thread

what did he mean by this?

This

Holy shit this so much
t. Ukrainian

QUADS OF TRUTH, UKRAINE IS REAL!

How many maidans does it take

Infinite pig theorem.

At this point, you'd need an actual revolution. All a "maidan" does is change the balance of power inside the political establishment. A revolution does away with said establishment, not rearrange it.

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Few reasons:
>as with every ex soviet country (yes this includes russia) various groups of oligarchs scrambled to get as much shit as they could
>russia snagged a lot of the key centers in the east
>government
>brain drain
>corrupt officials
Ukraine however had the luxury of only experiencing this recently.
Maidans have proved that simply jumping around in a circle does fuck all. This is where guns, molotovs, and killdozers come into play. Only for the benefit of Ukrainians it needs to have as little glow in the dark/Russian involvement possible.

You have no idea how deep of a hole Ukraine dug for itself.
>in 2012, 92% of Ukrainian military equipment was 20+ years old, and only 1.2% had been built since 2002
>in 2009 and 2010, average flight hours fell under 20 and squadron exercises ended completely, partly because the nation only had 49 functional combat aircraft
>in 2010 the entire Ukrainian army held 4 battalion, 3 company, and 21 platoon-level drills (note this does not include armor training as that was suspended due to lack of fuel)
>in 2009 Ukrainian military bases began to be shut down due to power shortages and several units ran out of food--this was fixed in 2010 by emergency funding
>Source: Brothers Armed

kek
That's so fucking russian

lack of money.

Russia still using soviet era stuff. But because the country is so big, most of those soviet stuff is concentrate in far east region.

Even though, their Soviet surplus is being upgrade after the fail of GPV 2011 2020
youtube.com/watch?v=cHKjUZZeBqw

Yanukovich should stay in power.

He have plane to modernize Ukraine military to atleast Poland level.

The people from the East kept saying the Westerners were incompetent and fuck everything up and just live off the back of the Easterners.

Guess there's some truth to it.

The joke was that it's filled with Russian minorities.
To be fair, a lot of the areas were repopulated by vatniks during Soviet times, after the genocide that 'totally didn't happen Stalin is our good boy'.
Yanukovic was a Russian shill. At least now they can open up to the west. In my field they're moving out of China to produce there because its cheaper and the people aren't as retarded.

>handful of legitimately impressive technology demonstrators
Such as?

>minorities
They're all Russians.

CYKA

>Yanukovic was a Russian shill. At least now they can open up to the west.
Yanukovich never said he close door with the west, he just don't want to join EU and become German bitch.

I think the fact that he ran to Russia of all places says a lot about the dude.

>At least now they can open up to the west

censor.net.ua/news/3071872/marsh_ravenstva_v_kieve_zavershilsya_fotoreportaj

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Why didn't Tymoshenko run to Russia?

She almost sold Ukraine to Russia in her time.

There wasn't an angry mob going full ISIS to her house ready to Gaddafi her.

>All their new projects are either vaporware or don't work properly
>What is "Eastern European arms development"?
pic related.

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So run to Russia have nothing to do with being a Russia shill then.

He could've ran to Poland, US, UK, Germany, France, literally anywhere else and still be safe. I would argue that he would have some legitimacy left after that since none of the above would annex Crimea or use their military to get him out.

Whatever let You sleep at night, cutie.
Replace that Beryl, what is it, 2015?

But those country support Maidan. You know the people that want to kill him.

Need another maidan. That was max comfy.

Replace with what?

Grot is a joke of a rifle.

Name one country that didn't and that isn't Russia. He could've fled there. In any case Yanukovich is forever irrelevant now.

You... You just threw the pole into water, did You? :^)

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The Ukraine war threads on Jow Forums were some of the best.

Russians are a minority in Ukraine, and those regions still have a large population of ethnic Ukrainians.

>promise to sign EU deals
>sign Russian deals instead

He was a Russian bitch. Also being a German bitch pays off better than being a Russian bitch. Compare the state of Ukraine pre-war to Poland.

What kind of a retarded argument are you even trying to make? Should Ukrainians rather act like subhuman sandniggers/niggers like the Russians do?

>What led to the ukrainian arms industry becoming so bad?
Ukrainians.

>Russians are a minority in Russia, and those regions still have a large population of ethnic Russians.

>Russia

Why would you come here and post this retarded shit? Do you get a kick out of acting like a moron?

>ukraine
>ukrainians

Ukraine is smart. They lost territory, but got Russian entangled in a quagmire that is costing them insane amounts of money. Russia is seeking a way to quietly pull out of the Donbas.,

>At least now they can open up to the west.

They have mostly done that.
Ukraine now has a more extensive free trade deal with the EU than South Korea or Mexico, which also have FTAs with the EU.

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Everytime I check there's some new deal or more cooperation, so it's still going on it seems.

Poroshenko also passed loads of reforms in Ukraine, as well as local governments, which means that I've seen massive amounts of change since the war.

The country is going somewhere at least, unlike how it was doing before the war.

>Russian entangled in a quagmire that is costing them insane amounts of money. Russia is seeking a way to quietly pull out of the Donbas.
Lol, stop watching CNN, you poor delusional fuck.

But he's right.
All the costs of running the occupied territories fall on Russia.
Ever since Ukraine disconnected them from the Ukrainian electricity and gas systems and put them under a trade embargo they had to rely on Russia for financial support and gas/electricity supply.
Ukraine only pays pensions to LNR/DPR residents but that problem will solve itself over time.

>Donbass
>"occupied by Russia"
Lol.

But it is. All the decisions regarding those territories comes from Moscow.

>But it is.
Lol.

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That's what the Ukrainian state classifies them as, which is literally all that matters since not a single outside entity even recognizes their existence in legal terms (except South Ossetia).
For the rest of the World the LNR/DNR do not exist as legal entities, which is why all the "representative offices" that they have opened in west were shut down.

>what the Ukrainian state classifies them as
No one cares what the the Ukrainian state classifies anything as. It can classify itself as a first world country and it would still factually remain a corrupted shithole in a state of a civil war.
>For the rest of the World the LNR/DNR do not exist as legal entities
That's not the point.

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Lol.

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>It can classify itself as a first world country and it would still factually remain a corrupted shithole in a state of a civil war.
>civil war

You're fighting an idelogical battle that you've already lost.
No one in Ukraine or the West thinks that this is a civil war.

>No one in Ukraine or the West thinks that this is a civil war.
Lol.

Even Syria is not a civil war.

Even the ukraine itself doesn't recognize it as any form of war, external or internal.
There's never been a martial law, nor a war declared on anyone.
Fuck what you think.

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Every problem in Eastern Europe is caused by 1 thing : corruption

Biggest achievent for Azov was killing innocent civilians

Until the US gives the go ahead to re establish the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which won't happen until central Europe (this includes Germany) kicks the blood and soil crack

>azov fags bitching about jews
>while fighting for a government with a literally jewish head of state, receiving arms from Israel

really makes u think

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Where else was he going to run from the glow in the dark boys?

Well, Ukraine is fighting a war against Russia. So one would assume that Russia is relevant

And they BTFOed novorussians from Mariupol

Ukraine is not at war with Russia. This is akin to saying that Syria is fighting a war with the United States. Ukraine is engaged in a civil war with separatists who are backed by Russia, and may be receiving direction from Russian advisors.

If this war was actually between the governments of Russia and Ukraine, the latter would not exist by now.

When your jews rp as nazis and inavertently create the hybrid monstrosity of a 4th zionist reich.

Merkava+Ratte hybrids soon lads.

No one can stop MOSES-HITLER

'Local separatists' are the Ukrainian version of 'moderate rebels'. All of the major Ukrainian losses were to the Russian army, and Ukraine's biggest victory was driving the Russian army back at Mariupol.

>Russia is fighting a war against Russia
Meanwhile, in reality, no war declared.

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Too bad the battery died.

What tank is this?

Read the file name, moron.
janes.com/article/73097/ukroboronprom-unveils-t-72amt

>hurr durr everything is russia's fault

There is zero evidence of Russian involvement in Donbass. There is, however, plenty of evidence of our support to neonazis in Ukraine (Javelin shipments) and ISIS in Syria...

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Hahahahahhaha...ok