Is Jow Forums in favor of (reinstituting) national service? Would Jow Forums join their countries' national service?
Specify your country and your reasons.
From my point of view it'd be a great thing to make the Bundeswehr less of a laughing stock again. It would also be pretty beneficial in terms of young people learning elementary stuff like making beds or following orders without backtalk. From what I heard you had to deal with some pretty huge assholes, but even that is a valuable experience. Add to that the stories my dad told me about driving M48 Pattons for a year.
Finnfag here, we have it going on. And because it's an age-old tradition the young guys here are not really complaining about it.
You can evade it, however not that many does.
Owen Myers
I vote yes
Carter Brown
United States National Service with exemptions for those going to college/enlisting in the military proper. Give alternatives in the form of civil service (soup kitchens, volunteer work etc). Have the national service be an auxillary to the National Guard. Could even use it as a way for State Militias to make a proper comeback. Have it last no shorter than 6 months and no longer than 1 year. I believe it could help instill some modicum of discipline in the American youth, encourage a fit lifestyle, and perhaps allow for society to form some cohesion around the shared experience.
Nicholas Russell
Nevermind, I thought this thread was about countries that didnt have one. Im retarded, ignore please.
Jordan Sanchez
It's pretty interesting to read. Views from countries without national service are bretty interesting actually.
Oliver Rogers
Pretty sure it's just for discussion of the concept. I like your ideas user but "instilling a modicum of discipline" will be tough with today's military culture for 2 reasons: The moment you find a shithead and try to fix them, you get "talked to" for "being offensive and calling them out" especially if this is done in front of people. The only acceptable way to fix someone, in my branch at least, is with an attempted psuedo father son talk to them and to try and help them. I can rant on this for days honestly I just went through this shit last week with a new kid. Secondly, if it's only a year, I guarantee you 95% of the units would keep the shitheads around for however much time they have left, rather than do the paperwork to separate them.
Brandon Reed
I personally believe that exposing people to firearms reduces the fear of them and will lead to an increase in support for gun owners. Something national service should do.
I know there will be some fucking whiner about this here but military service should include both men and women. The reason there are so many anti-gun women is because they're less likely to be exposed to firearms because hunting and the like is traditionally seen as a man's hobby. Anything that gets more people exposed to firearms is only a good thing.
Asher Moore
>cohesion around the shared experience. Finnfag here, this. This literally works. When dudes here who are strangers to each other meet, it won't take long when guys are chatting about their service times. Also bullshitters are easily caught in no time. Stolen valor shit doesn't exactly work in this kind of environment. You just Know it when someone is "trying too hard". :DDD
Grayson King
USA, I think some military training should be mandatory. I've visited countries like China and South Africa and think the locals are better off for it. Especially, college age is a good time for you to learn your civic responsibility, combat skills, how to march, take orders, and basic first aid.
I am jealous of my friends that got to do that for 1-2 years and then get out. And very frustrated that I was unable to join the US forces for a period of 1-2 years. They should have an option like that. I don't want to waste 4-8 years in the military I have other stuff to do.
I get they want more career soldiers and dedication and stuff. But still feel like I am missing out.
It's also one of those experiences that unifies all the people of a country, that they all served, or are prepared to. I think the US could greatly benefit from that. Working in a unit with people from all walks of life towards a common goal would build mutual understanding.
However, I am conflicted because all the wars we keep getting into vietnam, korea, afghanistan, Iraq have been huge misjudgments of geopolitical threat and massive loss of life for little real gain.
If a war with lets say Korea or another middle eastern country were to arise today I would probably not serve. Even dodge the draft. Unless, it was absolutely clear that perpetrating countries/ allliance was trying destroy me and my families way of life
I am way more concerned with threats to my freedom originating from the far leftest in my own country than any foreign power.
Landon Thompson
Estonian here. Conscription is a massive waste of resources that produces substandard troops. I wouldn't trust a unit made up of conscripts to guard a fucking grocery store, let alone ensure national security.
Unfortunately, there's no sign of things changing because the government's official mantras of "professional troops are unreliable because they'll fight for the highest bidder" and "conscription is the ONLY viable option for us" have been hammered in so hard over the years that nobody even bothers to question them. Heck, anyone who advocates transitioning to a professional military is viewed as subversive and harmful to national security.
Birth rates have been on the decline for years, but nothing is being done to downsize the military accordingly. On the contrary - the MoD is contantly increasing the yearly draft quota and loosening health requirements to make a larger percentage of the population eligible for conscription. They're even toying with the idea of making military service mandatory for women.
Tyler Cruz
No. The draft is slavery.
Justin Murphy
t. vatnik
Adrian Price
You can't just throw bodies at your military's problems. First things first you must actually fund what you have, then address manpower and expansion. If all you do is reinstitute cnsription then you'll just be a bigger laughing stock. Not enough money or equipment to train your active force let alone conscripts. This shame will drive down morale in a mass of conscripts who already have no desire to be conscripts, which will impact order and discipline negatively. Want to know what that looks like real world? Look at the Russian army 1992-2008.
Camden Nguyen
Russofag here Yes, of course, it'd show nato that we're not fucking around
Mason Martinez
t. dumbass who thinks conscripted zerg rush armies are still relevant in the 21st century
Brandon Williams
Fuck off.
Eli Edwards
Singaporean here. Generally people bitch about having to serve but they still do it(and some go "fuck this shit" and then goes on to do an amazing job during their service) anyway, bitching about shit is partly the culture here so I doubt they really dislike it.
National Service at least is a common point for all guys, and some get lifelong friends out of it(because oftenly sleeping in the woods together with your buddy makes you good friends fast). Culture wise, its basically a rite of passage for guys, one of the major milestones in our lives. Whether or not one has served is also indicated in the records for university admission so not serving for whatever reason can impact your future career. Evading it is nearly impossible since its illegal to do so(the authorities will hunt you down if you try to escape it), most you could do is bring your old medical records to the checkup and hope an ancient injury you had when you were a kid can get you a lower medical status and not get thrown into combat units, or be a dick and fake depression I guess but that would probably lead to ruining your future because the diagnosed depression would be in your records.
Joseph Adams
t. dumbass that the less than 5000 professional army you guys could afford would last more than 3 days of attrition to the russians. At which point they reach the coast, take the ports, the NATO relief fleet turns around and you get to cuddle with Ivan for the next few months/years/decades. The reason why the balts and funland stick with conscripts is not because they are good, but because you can have a lot of them. And they also make a very great pool to draw sabotage/guerilla/resistance cells from. If you don't fight, we don't come and bail you out.
Colton Brown
Belgium ( decent Flemish part not the frog socialist fag part) Yes, A) we have a lack of able bodied young soldiers due to keeping the carrier system in place when we still had conscription. So far to many older guys that could make decent NCO's and trainers but far to few grunts. Since the army unions (yes we have unions for everything and it sucks) have at several times together with the socialists blocked any meaning full reforms to this system you might just as well start using it again as intended. B) getting some more sense of unity going among the civil population. And I do not mean across language lines since the army is divided along linguistic lines. But on political and class lines. It could potentially also help integrate "new belgians". But why train muslims and niggers how to use guns? C) Boosting army number and getting civies ready for the inevitable cleanup/civil war. Mostly this from a long term/strategic standpoint. Our house stands so divided not so much along linguistical lines, we have learned to live with that fracture. But between the locals, the local lefties and the foreign elements. That sooner or later one takes over and forces the others to kneel or we get large scale violence. And boy oh boy would I prefer if we are ready.
Leo Sanchez
>conscripted zerg rush armies Fuck you Vatnik. There will be mines and mines and mines and mines and mines and mines and mines And LAWs and LAWs and LAWs and LAWs and LAWs And literally thousands and thousands and thousands of dudes trained in those.
Plus we read and write in more languages better than you, vatnik. Fact.
At first I thought you should go fuck yourself, but then will all things considered, I come to agree with you.
Isaac Adams
>instill some modicum of discipline in the American youth just like all of the disciplined vets right now >encourage a fit lifestyle just like all the fit vets right now >perhaps allow for society to form some cohesion around the shared experience if it includes a bunch of different services that's National service...state militia what
Society is generally not happy to be conscripted into service no matter what it is and you end up with a bunch of unhappy conscripts who do a shitty job until their time runs out. There's no need for it atm.
Tyler Morris
If they were going to reinstate that, I'd rather join the military directly. Aside from the air corps, National Guard are redneck militia-tier and spend most of their active time performing law enforcement duties for reduced wages. The sort of people that would get shoved into them upon a reenactment of the service would make everything a mess for the first few passing decades.
Eli Hernandez
What a bunch of whiny faggots
Alexander Campbell
No. There is no use for it in America at least.
Majority of people in the armed forces are fuckups who can't make it on the outside. It's an adult daycare and most people with their shit together wouldn't benefit from it.
t.in the army
Nathan Powell
We have had national service here in Norway since before ww1. I served my year and it was a honor and pleasure.
William Morales
You mean somethin akin to what Finland does? Assuming it's a defense force I probably would actually. Gonna take some luck and wits to not make it a complete disaster though. >thinking having civilians trained in military weaponry and tactics are a bad thing Last I checked Finns didn't zerg rush like the Soviets did, and last I checked the Baltic states weren't going to be launching any offensives whatsoever anytime soon.
