Exactly what does a military contractor do?

>the US has never paid anybody to kill someone in its entire history.

I have personally interacted with one of those deniable assassination squads, it was not what I expected and not what you're thinking. It wasn't a small crew of ex mil opr8rs with good gear, it was a literal mob of Pakis with rusty AKs that the spooks paid $10,000 cash to each to go kill an upstart secular militia leader. They had to walk, they didn't even have a hilux. They were truly expendable.

FOB I was on didn't have it until late 2013 because of concerns of it shooting down all the contract/civvy planes that resupplied us, but those things are awesome.

Ah, in Afghanistan FOBs people literally wouldn’t even put it their cigarettes and walk to the bunker for incoming because of CRAM.

There were some softies on the FOB. I remember once a single rocket got through and exploded in an empty field. I got a bunch of calls asking what the maximum technical hazard distance was because people like a 1/2 mile away on the FOB were trying to get themselves written up for a CAB/CIB.

CRAM fucking sucks dude.

>Implying he was wrong

Those aren't contractors. They're "local partners". Being paid to do a specific thing, not being contracted for services.

>If we contract them but don’t use the word “contract” it isn’t a contract

I love semantics, wordplay.

well excuuuse me then.

He's right and you know it. If you're gonna go kill and die for Israel you might as well make beaucoup bucks doing it.

>Some western contractors are used as oversight and training liaisons for local national security forces. Basically embedded with oversight over local forces to work between them and the US military.
My dad almost did this
He was going to work with Dyncorp to train the local police force

Been my experience it's 99% effective. We used to hit golf balls past it with a 9 iron and you could watch it lock on and track it.

..no, but it makes a good show anyway.

Certified electrician here, unmarried. I had no idea the company I worked for was affiliated with contracting until I was asked if I am interested in an overseas job.
>yeah, I am.
>it's a war zone
>...ok...
>pay is good, about triple annually
>you don't need a gun nor anything such
>three year contract
>company benefits and insurance holds
>say now or never

I took it. I paid my mortgage and bought a new car and a fishing boat. And a cottage and a couple of guns.

The person I was thinking of when I wrote that made bucko bucks. Was a former no frills infantry Marine who’d seen one deployment in like 2003, immediately jumped ship and got a private job back in 2004-2005 when the government was throwing money at contractors.

Dude ended up in Afghanistan wearing civvie clothes and toting around an SVD or Chinese folding AK depending on his mood. Left the wire maaaybe once a month. Otherwise all he did was check up on the Afghan security contractors to see if they had any issues that needed to be brought up with the US forces.

Dude had a peachy gig.

>anti missile systems
>working

Well that's one way to look at it. Guys like that are not being employed by USG programs, they're partners, people who cooperate to reach whatever goal. Same relationship as with the local military or any other armed group. US trades assistance for assistance.

You're excused.

My dudes I don’t k ow what you’re off on. CRAM absolutely shreds mortars and Chinese rockets. Maybe I’d have trouble with something faster moving like a guided missile, but insurgents don’t shoot many of those.

>Implying that he was at all wrong
You fucking fucked up, dude.

Cooperate = Get paid

Goal = kill some dude

Literally putting out a contract to kill a guy.

Idgaf how well they track golf balls. Fact is they stop incoming about half the time and have always been a stopgap measure, and an imperfect one at that. There's reasons why the US has been trying to replace CRAM for like 10 years... they're ok at shooting down big stuff but fucking suck at shooting down mortars and rockets.

By your logic the entire afghan national army would be "contractors", which is an absurd thing to believe.

>beaucoup bucks
holy shit I never knew how that was spelled or that it wasn't some made up gibberish word. always thought it was bookoo bux or something

>my experience
Oh look it's nothing.

You don't know what contractor means.

>By your logic the entire afghan national army would be "contractors,"
Not that user, but they might as well be for the fucking level of professionalism they have. Which, you know, on a scale of 1-10 is about "Raping children and kidnapping locals."

And you're playing fuck-fuck games with semantics.

They're really big in fields where large training gaps can occur or there's high demand (eg cyber, MX)

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protect clients and protect stuff, stationary and moving.
and alot of POG shit too.

Bullshit. 60-70% hit probability in controlled tests is barely "ok" and probability drops in the field. The only reason the phalanx guns are still used for this is because there simply isn't anything better. Having nothing better to eat than a turd doesn't improve the turd's flavor.

There's good reason why DOD has been throwing tens of millions of dollars at Raytheon for a decade trying to develop a better system.

Its French. France was the colonial power in Indochina (later Vietnam), so educated Viets spoke French. US grunts could communicate with French, pidgin English (number ten, mamasan etc.) and some Vietnamese (didi mao, chui hoi etc.)

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True points but neither here nor there. Whatever local force we partner with, we partner with. Not employ in the way we do contractors. Instead of the ANA we can just "insert group here". Could be a NATO partner, could be communist Kurd guerillas in Syria.

Contract: a written or spoken agreement, especially one concerning employment, sales, or tenancy, that is intended to be enforceable by law.

No fuck fuck games here except the ones you're playing at. Like the other guy said, by your logic anybody the US ever gives money to in return for assistance is a "contractor". Which is stupid.

I want to piggy back off this thread.

As someone with neither military nor police experience, how would I go working for a private contractor?

you really cant, they always want military background

Going off this, I heard from a former scout sniper that later worked for DoS doing PMC shit that contractor bounty hunter teams actually did exist back in the wild west days of Iraq (2004-2006). Basically, he said that these guys would just go after dudes with limited oversight for spooky gov agencies (CIA?). Was he bullshitting me or did anyone ever see / or hear about shit like this? I know Blackwater dudes used to run cross border ops into Pakistan FAFA from Khost so it wouldn't be too far to say these guys were also used to hunt down HVTs with more flexibility than JSOC and in a more clandestine manner.

If you want to carry a gun you are SOL. Experience is required and your competition all have it.

That guy either lied to you or is himself an idiot who believes stupid fairytales. Probably both. I and everyone else hears these sort of retarded stories all the time. They're about as realistic as Brian william's war stories or the rumors taylor swift is going to do a show at bagram or that camel spiders eat people while they sleep.

You "know" that "blackwater dudes" were doing this? Maybe you're a liar or gullible idiot too. Probably both.

Yeah my dad told me he would have been able to pay off our brand new house (at the time) within one year

You’re mistaken on real chinese long range rockets and guided missle terminal speed. Rockets are much faster.

What about in a support role?

I can't join the Army because I've had three heart attacks growing up from around age eight to age 10.

Who knows.

I met a guy who told me that when he was in Afghanistan, they would capture terrorists and hand them over only for them to be released. He would later meet up with a former special forces sergeant major who told him that they turned the guys they released back into the wars as informants. Dudes that didn't want to cooperate were sent to Guantanamo bay.

So while they were pissed and getting shot at and killed by these dudes again, they were really just pawns for some spooks.

Like what? If you meet the listed requirements for a job, apply for it. Tons of dudes working construction, facilities management, food service, finance, logistics, HAVAC, plumbing, IT, power, etc etc etc with no .mil experience. You better have some experience though because it's still a business. 99% of employers would rather hire a Bangladeshi or flilipino at a tenth the cost of a USN when and wherever possible.

>they were really just pawns for some spooks.
No they understood how our government works.
They knew just to nod their heads and repeat whatever the guy in the suit told them to say. Then at the end they go back out and act like nothing happened. Unless they were heavily incentivized with drugs or money, but then who's really the pawn there?

How the fuck are you still alive? No one will insure you in a war zone.

Just stay in school

Not BSing on the Pakistan part. Lived in Pakistan for two years with a lot of that time spent in DoS employee parties with a lot of people that weren't DoS. For sources that aren't just anecdotes:

thenation.com/article/secret-us-war-pakistan/
theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/11/blackwater-in-cia-pakistan-base

>working on my auto mechanic certs

Shit.

That's a question I ask myself a lot and it comes down to modern medical breakthroughs and bad luck.

See above.

Nothing so elaborate. Fact is detainees get handed over to local authorities unless there's a compelling reason to hang on to them. Locals then turn them loose, usually because of corruption or sympathy.

Basically the same reason guys who we would get kicked out of local army or police or whatever tend to show back up in uniform. They pay the right bribe or their cousin hooks them up or whatever. I was in central Iraq supporting a Lockheed Martin program from 2014-2017, and the local has-shabbi "colonel" was "arrested" and sent to Baghdad on several occasions for stealing shit (mostly fuel and generators) from the Iraqi army and my company. Both times he paid his bribes and was back within days.

how do i just get a regular contracting job? i dont really give a shit about soldier but like the idea of making a lot of cash doing contract work

Contractorjobs.com

Knew a guy that was a military contractor in Kosovo. He was in charge of keeping toilet paper in stock. Made 100k+ tax free. Not a bad gig

Oh my god. Do you think maybe RA people might... I dunno... fucking lie?

As per your links... contractors are snatching dudes up or assassinating assholes. As I said earlier, these are people in analytical and operations support roles. They help gather Intel, plan missions, and do targeting. The decisions are being made by military and intelligence officers however, and operations executed by locals or more rarely.. US .mil or .gov even then they're almost always in cooperation with the locals. Shit like the bin laden raid are very much exceptional.

not sure if you're fucking with me

Honestly logistics is the one of best contractor gigs possible. I knew an ex-British equivalent of our DoS that ended up getting into logistics after getting out of gov. He made bank while living in some pretty interesting places around the globe. He would also just take three month breaks every year or two and go do something fun like learn Arabic in Beirut (where I met him) or travel to South East Asia.

Usajobs, contractorjobs, clearancejobs, there's a bunch dude

I wasn't saying that these guys snatching people in Pakistan. Just that they were helping running SIGINT operations and other shit like you said. All of the guys that went out on night raids with Khost Protection Force were agency green badgers anyway as far as I can tell.

You're a mechanic? Yeah, maybe in ten years when you're experienced enough to run a shop you could be competitive. But then lack of .mil experience will still hurt you.

Literally just apply if you meet the requirements. It's just a fucking job. Dudes aren't hired because some jagoff with an eyepatch and a gravelly baritone invites them on an adventure during a meeting in the mountains or Idaho or a dive bar. You apply, some lashawnda bitch HR person sifts through applicants and forwards the ones whose applications match her bulleted list of requirements. She forwards them to a hiring manager or PM who picks who he likes and then there's probably an interview, then a hiring decision is made.

This is the funniest thing I've ever read.

I saw how cushy their lives were when I was there as a soldier, so when I got out I applied on the KBR website. The military experience only got me a pay bump.

KBR operates all over the world in remote locations, including non hostile places. We have guys working on the Alaskan pipeline, we have guys down in Peru, guys in Egypt, guys in China...
>mfw got offered more for an 8 month contract in Venezuela than I got paid for my entire time in Iraq but had already signed a 2 year stint in Bolivia

That's depressing to say the least.

So you mean the guys on CAPO or XPG or whatever it's called now? The agency's version of WPS guys?

Those BW/academi/constellis dudes aren't doing the all those crazy missions, they're protecting USG personnel. Same as MVM before academi picked up the work.

Bolivia doesn’t have a murder rate borderline war zone level though. You there now?

also i should correct my shitty typing. What i mean is i dont care to be a hired soldier. Id be ok with sweeping the fucking floors for 70k a year.
ok will do
i dont really care about using a gun for a job. I will if need to ,like i said about id be ok sweeping the floors or construction as long as the pay is good enough. I just want the pay bump and see the world a bit

No, I'm in Kansas now on a short term gig where I get paid (poorly) by the week. Got done with Bolivia 2 months ago. We were up on a mountain building foundations for cell towers, never had any issues with anyone there. Honestly seemed like Bolivia was safer than Atlanta.

My last employer is a subsidiary of MBI. I had no idea how fucking BIG Michael baker was until I worked for them. Im with booze Allen now and it's almost shocking how these bigger companies are so integrated in everything USG does everywhere. Never considered it when I was a security guy.

Why? There's no shortcuts in life my dude. Put in the work, find the opportunities, reap the rewards. I've been contracting for almost eight years now but if I could go back I'd have either stayed in the military or done ROTC in college.

Idk what kind of mechanic you are but there's plenty of jobs in the petro industry where they're pay a premium to send you somewhere shitty, if you want an adventure or whatever. Doesn't have be a .gov program to be exciting.

all these seem fake as hell.

They're not

Then don't apply. Wtf dude go fucking google "overseas contracting jobs" and do some reading.

Honestly some of my best paid coworkers are the fuel specialists, and literally none of them have military experience. Hell most of them came from either corporate middle management or retail management, as their ENTIRE job is to keep the shitskin TCNs we hire that actually use the equipment from breaking too much stuff or killing people through incompetence.

All of my underlings on my current gig are mexicans, on the Bolivian contract they were Flips because it was cheaper to import them than hire Bolivians.

do what US troops are supposed to do, only cheaper and more efficient.

Well you ain't gonna get that sweeping job for $70k. Some Peruvian, paki, Bangladeshi, or whatever will get it for $10k and he'll prolly do a better job then you with less complaining.

The WPS stuff is run out of their Global Response Staff. Those guys just watch and protect case officers fresh out of an Ivy with no experience in warzones. The guys that work with Khost Protection Force and basically CIA run militias are contractors that work for ground branch in SAD. The paramilitary officers that work in ground branch usually actually don't go out and conduct covert action like we think they do as they're more mid level managers. The ground branch contractors, who are mainly all ex-JSOC guys at this point, are the ones that actually go out into the shit. When I was in Iraq back in 2016, I talked to an ex-Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga, who basically described what he did now as what the Khost Protection Forces guys did in Pakistan. He showed me a bunch of pictures with him working with 1st SFG back in 2006 and some pictures of him working with what looked like JSOC guys (HK416s, Geissele) now. So the program of having CIA contractors run ops with militias payed and equipped by the CIA while not huge with Jason Bourne levels of effectiveness, is still a thing.

What are some good entry level positions to at least get my foot in the door so i could prove im not a shithead?

Idk dude I'm not your secretary. Read up, find stuff you're qualified for, and apply. It's just a job, you get it the same way as any other job.

Sounds fucky man. I've been doing this for awhile and quit xpg to work for sallyport because the money in balad was RETARDED good and I liked the idea of not being scowled at or lectured by onions-boys on their first trip overseas since their semester in Florence or Paris or whatever. Also constellis was cutting pay and trying to sell itself off again. I've never seen evidence of contractors being used for spooky shit and the only rumors I've ever heard weren't being spread by people who would know.

not him but you should know the entry level jobs of any industry your in off the top of your head.

>KBR
>entry level
Dude the entire purpose of this company is to provide managerial oversight, we hire third worlders to do the actual work.

If you have literally zero leadership experience you don't have a chance, but our standards are pretty low (we just hired some 19yo solely because he was captain of a varsity HS sports team, that was good enough). incels need not apply.

Oh nice I never made it down there. I spent most of my time near Kirkuk or Erbil. Yeah Constellis seems like they overall experienced a huge drop in quality in their employees excluding some guys coming out of Triple Canopy. I don't know if it's because of their reputation now or completely because of pay like you said. I think they also had a bunch of Triple Canopy guys take over upper level management a couple years back so it seems like the company is in a little shit storm leadership wise. Also it's an extraordinarily small group of contractors that do directorate of operations shit. The guys in it are almost all either ex-blue badgers (full-time CIA officers) that switch over like Billy Waugh or JSOC guys with experience doing interagency work. Joe Teti, that douchebag from dual survivor, was actually a contractor for CIA ground branch in Afghan. I'm pretty he even posted pics of him with Afghan militias fools in Pakistan-Afghan mountains on his instagram.

I worked security and operations before scoring an office job as an emergency planner. My "entry level" required several years combat arms exp and NCO time. Idk what kind of "entry level" jobs some kid with no real exp who wants to turn wrenches or sweep floors could do that wouldn't be done by a TCN or LN at a fraction of the salary. I don't really care either. As far as I'm concerned nothing expats are hired for is "entry level" because the positions require candidates who are already skilled and experienced. Most jobs I've held didn't do any training at all except to vet candidates and make sure new hires knew the SOPs, that is, the point of training wasn't to educate somebody in something new it was just to get us all on the same page.

Just go KBR and apply for shit that doesn't have any real technical qualifications and doesn't say you need a bachelors.
So like this: tas-kbr.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl?job=1069651&tz=GMT-07:00

Meant to reply to

It was a real shithole in 14' because the Iraqis stole everything that wasn't nailed down and broke whatever was. After a couple dozen rockets from our jihadi neighbors it got even shittier, but by the time I left was much improved. Not like it was back in say 08-09 but pretty cozy. Internet sucks and the property manager is a five star powertripping faggot, and the chow can be.. unreliable.. but I've definitely worked worse places.

Oh and the hashd shaabi is always up to some fuckery but that's just life.

Part of the quality drop was the pay drops EVERYWHERE after the merger. Really too bad because I liked working for academi. Before them I was with DynCorp and imo academi treats their people great relative to pretty much all their competitors. One thing I didn't like about my program though is I was always getting fucked on taxes because we HAD to go back to the US on rotation before going elsewhere and I suck at budgeting my time in the states and always seem to go over my 30 day limit.

Maybe you know something I don't, but the only dudes I ever knew to be doing spooky shit were USG personnel or foreign nationals and I've never heard otherwise from anybody who I know would know such things.

Is no one going to acknowledge this get?

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>the US government is totally not the sort to hire hitmen
You’re way too trusting of the feds. Especially with all the evidence to the contrary. Fuck off CIA nigger.

you fucking dumbass. its a remnant from cajun language and culture. you didn't even mention that it means "a lot"

Yeah in Kirkuk we had IS fuckers constantly trying to hit us from Hawija. Never really went out much. Erbil though... I had lots of fun in that city. A couple weeks after I left / right after Iraqi forces started taking Mosul IS actually managed to enter the city and kill like 30 people. Pretty spooky shit.
This is another good entry level type job: tas-kbr.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl?job=1069200&tz=GMT-07:00

I managed to basically get the same job a year out of high school with my only work experience being piano teaching and working as a bartender in Beirut. I just played up my resume and said that I was a lead manager for the bar I worked at and gave a very bullshitty managerial type resume description. Having three months of Arabic classes also helped I think.

In the 80s and 90s we’d see a lot of contractors appearing after every RIF. Gate guards, chowhall workers, roads and grounds crews were usually the first things to get contracted out. Then facilities maintenance, fire departments, and operating engineer jobs were next on the list.

That was mostly INCONUS. Expanding this concept to war zones is a relatively new idea. It makes sense, though. It’s more cost effective, even though that sounds counterintuitive.

top kek

>working on my auto mechanic certs

Ok. Then do whatever it takes to get your Diesel and heavy equipment certs. Then research which companies sell standard or specialized equipment to the military. Oshkosh, for instance. Then do everything humanly possible to get on with one of these companies, after which you let it be known you’re available for overseas assignment.

Like everything else that’s worthwhile, it’s a process that doesn’t happen overnight. Just keep working toward the goal.

>some jagoff with an eyepatch and a gravelly baritone invites them on an adventure during a meeting in the mountains or Idaho or a dive bar

I like to start my adventures in a seedy tavern down by the waterfront. You can usually find all the character classes you need to fill out a basic Company of Stouthearted Companions. If you tip well, the barkeep will generally mention something interesting enough to start you off on your first adventure. You also have a chance (Charisma>1D20) of getting a tumble with the barwench. Save vs STD (Con>1D20) to avoid the affliction known as Burning Hunk of Love.

Academi or whatever they’re calling themselves now offered me a job doing static and roving security posts for a compound somewhere in Afghanistan that JSOC uses for whatever. The shifts were going to be 12 hours long 6 days a week for 22/hr.

I politely declined. 99% of PMC work is gay shit like that.