We live in the Post-Martial Arts Natural Selection Phase where most of the Asian martial arts were exposed as being a fucking meme.
If you could un-meme one of the many martial arts that were exposed as bullshit, which would you choose.
My choice is pic related, drunken kung fu.
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Approved Martial Arts
>Wrestling
>Boxing
>Jiu Jitsu
>Judo
>TKD but not strip mall tier
>KickBoxing
>Muay Thai
>Karate but not strip mall tier
>Sambo
>MMA
Also be sure to train with your gun.
Krav Maga and Systema are not useful.
>If you could un-meme one of the many martial arts that were exposed as bullshit, which would you choose.
Historical knife fighting.
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Praying Mantis Kung fu
Martial arts is a meme in real life the bigger guy always wins
Good bait
t. never seen or been in a fight
youtube.com
heres an example of what technique can do
You are literally retarded.
Thats not a real fight. The body builder would have just gouged out his eyes and slammed his head into the ground until he dies.
T. never seen or been in a fight
you fucking morons with your "the biggest guy always wins" crack me up, and it's pretty obvious none of you have actually fought before, because if you did you would understand what technique, size, strength, and surroundings play a big part, it's not just size.
You are right in the regard that size really matters, but most people are so ill prepared for a fight that they can get the shit kicked out of them by guys half their size who are REALLY good at fighting (not someone who spars now or then on weekends).
The most important part of a fight is numbers. I have no problem taking a drunk redneck with 50lbs on me, it's his two buddies at the bar that are going to kick my ass. 1v1 fights rarely happen in real life, so bring some boys who are tough if you plan on fighting someone.
t. someone who gets in too many fights and has been on the wrong side of 1v3 before
Solid fpbp material.
I never understood why you kids shit on Krav so much. It doesn't do anything special but it's way more solid for teaching basic striking than something like fucking kickboxing.
You’re fucking high dude.
>Lmao drugs dude
>Lmao I'm going to just insinuate lack of mental capacity instead of having a rational discussion
Neck yourself you fucking 16 year old
Krav
>Clawing the face
>kicking the groin
>tripping opponents
KickBoxing
>using the strongest part of your body to strike your opponents
>throwing correct punches
>learning to defend and move against opponents
You don’t fight, you don’t train, you watched some Krav Maga Highlight video on YouTube and think it’s the greatest thing ever.
>teaching basic striking than something like fucking kickboxing.
any martial art will teach you how to strike. if you're not learning how to throw good strikes then you're in tai chi or some other glorified yoga type class
Are you talking about dagger stuff in hema because that's not a meme
Krav is not designed for sport like kick boxing. All the techniques that krav teach are simple and more effective in a self defense scenario. Also try throwing a proper rear or front round house in a 80lb flak and kevlar.
>girly scratching is more effective than spinning someones chin around their head.
Never been hit, confirmed.
Almost every ancient Asian martial art is solid. Almost every one of them is taught poorly in the US. They have been purposely defanged. MacYoung's Taking it to the Street does a good job of reinserting the removed components. If anyone on the thread has spent time in one of these defanged arts then he would be well served by reading this text to recover time that was otherwise wasted.
Macyoung is a fat LARPer who makes up street fight stories faker than a soccer mom thread. His entire website is full of "reality based" autism.
Jesus, you're such a faggot. But if I had to pick one for you tards to stop arguing about I'm torn between Aikido and Tai Chi.
>Knocking someone out with kicks is now sports only
How is this faggotry? Is it because you have never been athletic a day in your life and want to believe Krav will give you some sort of 1 punch knockout shit?
You kids and your fancy Nancy martial arts. Back in my day, you just did boxing and maybe judo at your local YMCA, right up until your coach awkwardly fondled you one night after putting back one too many on a trip to an out of town match.
Not to get into a No True Scotsman argument, but the most practical tai chi I've seen is basically just wrestling with strikes. It's not all calisthenics for old people. Even the old people variant is good for balance and low impact exercise though.
Whats a good self-defense oriented martial art to learn for someone who has no experience with fighting or pugilism?
Gracie Jiu Jitsu
Isn't that really intense
No if you go to a local gym that teaches Gracie they will not hesitate to reach you the basics, they love new comers that are generally interested in Martial Arts
no you cum gargling shit stain because you're shitting up Jow Forums with /asp/ bullshit. every single one of these threads is an infinite well of stupidity and you're exhibit #1.
>.45 vs 9mm tier threads everyday
>personal blog post
>illrelevant threads about celebrities that own guns
Yet somehow self defense is your final straw, don’t be dense.
>devine nine dubs
based boomer post
How's Kali, lads? Sticks are found literally anywhere and their practices seem pretty decent from what little I've gathered.
>fat
>fake
>autism
Not an argument.
It will probably get shit on here. Look at The Star. It looks pretty gay and vulnerable but it truly allows 360 defense. It is a very active style so the cardio needs to be ready for it. There are not a lot of heavy hits to it. You keep moving and zing the opponent time after time until they fall apart. Also:
>stick
>knife
>empty hands
You use all the same moves. If you drop the stick then you transition to knife and keep moving. If you drop the knife then you continue engaging with the same motions with empty hands. This allows for continuous attack under deteriorating circumstances.
Learn one grappling art and one striking art and you should be golden against the majority of people who'd try to attack you.
>Striking arts
Boxing
Kickboxing
Muay Thai
Full contact karate
>Grappling
Wrestling (Freestyle/Folk/Greco-Roman)
Judo
Brazilian Jiujitsu
Sport Sambo
>hybrid arts that combine the two
MMA
Combat Sambo
Any combination of the above would work. There are other good martial arts than the ones listed, those are just some common ones. See what's available in your area, do the trial class, and see what you like better.
Brazilian jiujitsu is pretty good. It's not the ultimate ground art like a lot of people who fell for the marketing machine believe, but still good.
>Isn't that really intense
It's pretty much the most chill grappling style out there. That's not to say that it's easy or not intensive exercise. It's just philosophy-wise and sports-wise it encourages you to take your time.
The advantages of Kali (and other SEA martial arts like escrima, silat or arnis) is that it's weapons-focused and always keeps weapons in mind: even if you're going empty-hand they're still going with the assumption that the other guy could be armed.
However, schools are wildly inconsistent. Some are still focused on realistic self defense, others have gone into more cultural/ritualized directions that are less pragmatic, some have gone full bullshido. It really depends on your teacher/school.
I don’t agree with you on the BJJ not being the ultimate ground game but this post still has knowledge to it.
Judo/Freestyle wrestling/BJJ for the ultimate grappling game
Anyone know if Bagua Zhang is sufficient for self defence?
>ultimate ground
I meant to type ultimate grappling art.
As far as pure ground submissions go, then yeah BJJ has got it on lock.
Do they do sparring and pressure testing in whatever school you're looking at?
If the answer is no, then most likely not.
Are you going to live the life of a master who lives perpetually in the internal form? If not, then I would suggest an art that is primarily external form.
It actually fucking is considering that martial arts is an athletic endeavor and his super sekrit karate moves are autistic.
Pic related
tai chi.
imagine if chi was actually a thing
>HA, you thought your sport punches could knock me out. Sorry kid, but I'm a street fighter. Only street punches can hurt me.
>Pic related
What is supposed to be happening in pic related?
Southern Praying Mantis
Bullshido
Krav is like 80s military martial arts. Shit like catching a punch and turning it in to some sort of elaborate throw that isn’t realistic in a RL situation.
The philosophy is solid.
>take the best from any style wherever you find it and discard the rest
The problem is in execution. IRL it is taught by retards that are regurgitating what someone has shown them as if it were doctrine. AFAIK there is no KM doctrine.
I'd chose Arnis.
It's a meme but stick fighting looked like cool before.
I fucking took Krav Maga lessons and quickly realized what a freaking joke it was. The noobs just did groin kicks and I kid you not we fucking SLAPPED each other. All I learned was how to get up properly after getting pushed/kicked over which took all of 5 minutes to teach.
To make it worse the "advanced" guys were doing firearms training that was guaranteed to get you killed.
I learned more in 10 minutes of kickboxing then the 4 weeks of krav maga that I got on discount.
I gave a faggot a black eye with a slap block.
Kung foolery
I'm talking about stuff written in Manual del Baratero.
It's not that much of a meme, it's just not so popular
Abrazare and German HEMA wrestling is a meme at the moment because only nerds do HEMA but the stuff shown in the source is really good.
I'd love it if some MMA people could un-meme unarmed HEMA
This.
There's a reason why there are weight classes.
Jiu jitsu, judo, muay thai are all asian. And are the best unarmed combat systems humans have ever made.
0)Kill or be killed/boxing
1)Judo/greek wrestling
2)FITA archery
3)Shotokan
4)Fencing
5)Eskrima/Akido
Everything else goes in the bin. These are some homosexual tendency choices
>>Jiu Jitsu
>>KickBoxing
>>Muay Thai
>>Sambo
>>MMA
>in real life the bigger guy always wins
Most of the time. Yes.
You have never trained, you're lacking so much knowledge it's laughable. Congrats, you figured out out of two untrained people the bigger guy wins through your shitty anecdotal experiences. Now please go to your nearest mma/bjj gym and say that, and proceed to get your assistance handed to you by someone 40 lbs lighter. There are plenty of videos of pro fights and street fights which show skill > size. Size is an advantage but skills pays the bills always.
O and I would meme tidily winks into a martial art
>mma/bjj gym
Any big lad who works with e.g cattle daily would kill an MMA faggot.
Maybe in your fantasies but in real life people fight back and don't just let you bust out a sick combo on them.
Join the Marines they will show you its not size that matter its the guy who gets behind you that wins.
Weight classes are sports with rules, martial arts is about killing without rules.
Fuck no. It's one of the most delusional martial arts I have come across. It could be good if you had superpowers but none of the people I have met who practice it have that.
Kamehameha and that other chi blast shit. Or drunken boxing, I'm with you on that. It's so fucking cool. I also wish I could do fingertip strikes and penetrate in stead of breaking my fingers. I saw a video of a guy cracking coconuts with his fingertips but I'm way too lazy to get that good. That iron shirt type stuff would be cool too. I knew a guy who practiced it. He was really quiet and mild mannered. He invited me to his martial arts practice and I had no idea what he did. I got there and they were beating eachother and themselves with bricks. It was fucking nuts.
>If you could un-meme one of the many martial arts that were exposed as bullshit, which would you choose.
Street Fighting™ being effective
>mfw when street fighting is just your buddy bashing soneone's brains out with a lead pipe
>Then getting gunned down in a drive-by
krav is a rape prevention course ran by jimmy the cripple tier martial art.
Crave Smegma
Bar fight 101
Someone grabs a cue ball
Someone grabs a cue stick
Someone pulls a knife
Someone pulls a gun
All the above happens in about 20 seconds.
Get out at step one.
The real answer is because it got as popular as karate was in the 80s. Which resulted in two things. 1. An explosion of "schools" some of which are run by absolute morons with a truly incredible sizzle to steak ratio. 2. Overhype and idiots who think they are invincible after 2 sessions.
Seeing these things Jow Forums has decided that the entirety of it is a meme. Also keep in mind the ratio of "have training" to "did MA as a 10 year old and not since" is even worse than the "have funs"/ "nogunz"
I was my state wrestling champion in high school and when I went to BJJ I got absolutely manhandled by a small woman.
I could prevent a lot of her shit by just being stronger and more explosive than her, but she played the waiting game and just kept looking for openings to murder me with, going for a wrist lock, choke or armbar.
Then I absolutely had no chance against small guys who were purple belt. It made me realize how dangerous someone can be and cut down my "yeah I could take him" attitude. There was a period where I was the absolute worst person at my gym.
Would recommend
I had a similar experience. I didn't win state myself, but I wrestled for four years on a team that won every tournament by a landslide. I was so open for chokes it was ridiculous. It was a huge learning curve to avoid getting choked out immediately. I definitely don't think people should ignore wrestling, but bjj is definitely great in addition to wrestling. Or the other way around. I think if you added judo you would be a fucking monster on the ground.
>take the best from any style wherever you find it and discard the rest
The problem with this philosophy is that you might discard something you think is useless at the time, but it actually is useful.
There was a period of time in early MMA when people thought high kicking wasn't going to work because you'd get taken down. Then fighters started racking up high kick KOs.
Moral of the story, every now and then double check to see if the things you discarded as meme shit are still actually meme shit.
The way of the exploding six monkey inch crane screwdriver. Endorsed by chuck Norris and convicted murderers worldwide. It has no rival. Trained ninjas, steroid riddled gay MMA, weeboos who even can read a few words of Japanese. All have been fucked up by the way of the exploding six monkey inch crane screwdriver chi energy
>high kicking
Only effective if you wear nothing on your lower body except small womens underwear and can maintain a shiteating grin while doing it. You sound like a ninja are you a ninja? Do you have pictures of you being a ninja? Let's see them? MMA is fucking staged you dumb cunt. Its about as real as WWF.
This
I always laugh at people who take MMA seriously. It’s a spectator sport you stupid fucks, they’re not allowed to do any of the shit they would actually do in a real fight because then the fights would leave them hospitalized and unable to make their sponsors more money.
>The problem with this philosophy
That is only an error in the application of the philosophy - not an error in the philosophy.
I wouldn't want a Muai Thai fighter to get anywhere near me, but Aikido is a different kind of scary. Joint locks are not something the average guy knows how to fight against, and by the time you realize you're in one, you're probably already on the ground.
I'm assuming it's an air baptism.
Kung fag of 16 years here. The thing is: and I know this is difficult to conceptualize without using the most basic of 5 year old tier logic, *eastern martial arts were for small people, against small people*
If you don't apply the large white mans methodology of fighting to it you deserve what you get. Especially now that slams and ground fighting are socially acceptable. It was exposed as a meme because pure athletic ability and size is the determinate factor in fighting when you get to be above 150 pounds. Not to mention there are A LOT more big dudes than even 30 or 40 years ago. Inb4 some manlet forgets weight divisions, the whole point of a small guy beating a big one is that its unusual, by conceding "a small guy CAN win" you are just admitting they usually don't, so just stop.
Only way Krav Maga could be more Jewish than it is is if there were wallet snatching techniques.
You are either a child
a bot
or an r9k faggot
>smaller guy beating bigger guy is so incredible and outlandish of an outlier it makes the fucking NEWS
>must be a regular occurrence right
Not that user but I actually throw high kicks in the fitting room before buying jeans. What kind of clothes do you wear?
>a small guy beating a big one is that its unusual
It is not unusual at all. A lot of big dudes are pussies with no fight in them. A lot of other big dudes are lazy and rely on their size to carry them to victory.
>its not unusual at all
Tell me more about platform shoes user, no judgement here
>Fencing
Just the shitty overly-sportified version of swordfighting. Trains you to expose your torso/head and go for minor extremity pokes, because getting skewered neck to ass doesn't matter if you graze your opponent's toe 0.04 seconds faster. HEMA isn't great but it's better than that garbage.
>Judo is good, Jiu Jitsu isn't
They're close enough that variation between schools is going to matter more than which art you pick.
>Aikido
Do they even spar? Every place I've seen refuses to because it's "too dangerous".
>Your opinions in general
As straight as Elton John doing Capoeira
I guess I qualify as a manlet from the perspective of the 7 foot lumberjack motherfucker that put hands on me at a coffee shop, though I am 6'3". Regardless, I swatted his hands away until he left a vulnerability and I did "push hands" on him. He was stunned that someone so small compared to him could launch him. He BTFOd and later wanted to apologize. Something similar could easily transpire between someone 5 foot tall and someone 6'2" (or whatever the manlet cutoff is now).
Fencing has great study of range of motion. It emphasizes using arcs of motion for defense that work well even with empty hands.
Weight classes are there in organizations with trained fighters
A 150 pound MMA champion could beat the shit out of a 250 pound untrained goon
You only think the big guys always win because you're fucking overweight lol
>at coffee shop talking about how short people are actually better fighters
>some guy taps my shoulder to get my attention
>easily 7 foot tall lumberjack
>asks if im ok
>I push him (basically kicked his ass) and he is clearly confused and stunned
>he says no hard feelings later but I could tell he was scared as fuck of me
>his girlfriend cant take her eyes off me the whole time
Im 6'3" btw
What sambo?
>at coffee shop talking about how short people are actually better fighters
It was an after hours event and we were not their usual clientele. They didn't like how I was behaving so he came to give me an attitude adjustment.
>talking about how short people are actually better fighters
Short people have inherent weaknesses against taller people. I never said otherwise. Some tall people are pussies.
>some guy taps my shoulder to get my attention
He was frontally grabbing at me.
>easily 7 foot tall lumberjack
He had the fucking plaid shirt and neckbeard and everything.
>asks if im ok
If I had not been OK then my friends would have dragged me out of it.
>I push him (basically kicked his ass) and he is clearly confused and stunned
You have clearly never seen a proper application of push hands.
>he says no hard feelings later but I could tell he was scared as fuck of me
You are repeating yourself.
>his girlfriend cant take her eyes off me the whole time
Nah, it was my buddy laughing at his ragged ass.
>Practicing MMA unironically
MMA is a fucking meme dude
Yeah, because at a professional level fighters are of similar skill you sophomoric cock sucker. When two fighters are of similar skill the larger one will generally win. If one fighter has way more training and experience in a not Bullshit martial art he's generally going to win.