Alright Jow Forums, my brother is going to be here soon and I need some advice. Could a Hind conceivably take on two F-16's if the pilot was good enough?
Alright Jow Forums, my brother is going to be here soon and I need some advice...
Justin Morales
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Isaiah Rivera
Is the hind armed with AA missiles.
Is the hind flying on the deck or at 10000 feet.
USAF did studies on this in the 70s and found that the helicopters won because its way more manuverable, its a smaller target and it can mask its signature by flying just above the ground.
Ayden Clark
Sure, anything is possible
The most obvious situation is the f16s are sitting on an airfield or are in the act of taking off
Jeremiah Collins
Yes (no). If the hind and the F16s are both geared for air to air, then it could totally be done; but you're really relying on the incompetence of the F16 pilots rather than any particular skill of the heli at that point.
David Cruz
no, but if the F-16 pilots were bad enough, it's possible.
Cooper King
Nice try, liquid. Solid is going to fuck your shit up and he has all the recessive genes. You just suck.
Jace Sanchez
Educate yourselves.
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Helicopters are extremely dangerous to fighters and attackers and should only be engaged from the top, long range or if the situation presents itself. If the helicopter is flying just above the ground its extremely hard to detect.
Evan Clark
This. USAF shows that helicopters win BFM engagements with jets. If the F-16 pilots were dumb enough to close the gap then it’s likely that the Hind would win but that situation is unlikely to ever happen with good pilots.
Colton Rogers
>Is the hind armed with AA missiles.
Yes.
>Is the hind flying on the deck or at 10000 feet.
Let's say 10,000 feet above the Bering Sea in the middle of a snowstorm. You know, just in theory.
Who the fuck is this? Is that you, Ocelot? I know you've been wasting our bandwidth to download Russian CP, you sick old bastard.
Carter Reyes
>fighting aircraft with your guns at near stall speed and extremely low altitude is not the best idea for the fighter
i mean, did you really needed "study" for that ?
Thomas Lopez
What do you mean "educate"? I said you'd be relying on the incompetence of the F16 pilots, and then you refer to the cold war exercises that formed the very doctrinal strategies they would be ignoring in order to be engaged. Are you agreeing with me?
Cameron Cooper
Aircraft have the advantage in range. Even if they are armed with identical missiles the aircraft's forward velocity at the time of launch is free velocity for the missile. Meanwhile the chopper is going to be nearly stationary in comparison. If the aircraft launches at maximum range it will mean the helicopter's missile falls just short.
Plus helicopters tend to be armed with manpad style AA missiles, not full size ones. Yes Apaches "can" be armed with sidewinders etc. But you almost never see that. When American helicopters have AA missiles they are almost always stingers which have a much shorter range than a sidewinder.
TLDR: F-16 wins 999 times out of 1,000.
Tyler Brooks
I don't know if Hinds can equip R-73s. The newer ones probably can, but otherwise they are stuck with iglas. If the F-16 only has AIM-9s, he should outrange the igla, but if he gets too close, he can be shot down very easily.
If the F-16 is armed with AIM-120s, there is no conceivable reason why it wouldn't win unless the helicopters use terrain masking.
Luke Jackson
But J-CATCH literally proved your statement wrong.
Hudson Ortiz
Anything that flies is at risk to AA missiles so it’s very possible F-16s could be blind-sided by a helicopter.
Ian Garcia
Read the fucking article.
Ian King
>"To the surprise of many involved in the program, the helicopters proved extremely dangerous to the fighters when they were properly employed, racking up a 5-to-1 kill ratio over the fighters when fighting at close ranges with guns. The lesson was that fixed-wing aircraft should not attack helicopters except at long range and/or high altitudes with long range missiles."
No u
Andrew Murphy
it literally proven that in 19fucking70 with missiles and at range or altitude advantage (with guns and missiles) you win every time
are you special kind of stupid ?
Parker Wood
Whatever dude, sniper wolf is never going to touch your dick...psycho mantis might.
John Rivera
So why didn't Iraq rape USAF's ass with Hinds in either conflict they had with us?
Sebastian Price
This seems to be the case in DCS world as well. So many times I just shot down some threats and noticed a helicopter and thought to myself "I don't need to waste any missiles on a puny helicopter--I'm just gonna gun this fool down real quick."
So I get in range and next thing I know my plane is in flames covered with bullet holes. Every time I fall for it.
Dominic Morgan
>"To the surprise of many involved in the program, the helicopters proved extremely dangerous to the fighters when they were properly employed"
>"properly employed"
Iraqis were inbred retards with a huge military.
Christian Morales
Ok, so you can read. Now you have to work on the comprehension angle.
Noah Williams
Easily
Isaac Howard
Yeah, no shit jets win at BVR. What are you trying to prove here?
Helis are insanely dangerous to fast movers. This is fact.
Alexander Jackson
Is every one of these threads doomed to have illiterate couch commandos linking a 50 year old study that tells us "If fighters attack helicopters without using their strengths and ignoring 50 years of doctrine, they lose"
Liam Bailey
no there is just that one fucker who (for the love of god)i assume is trolling
William White
Not only this, but studies like that usually are set up to test a worst case scenario. They give red force all kinds of advantages. The point is to make vlue force have heavy losses so they learn. It is a waste of time and money if blue force just steamrolls red force.
Carson Perry
Hey, lets ignore 40 years of combat helicopter technology development too
Hunter Russell
Elaborate.
Anthony Ortiz
Ayden Collins
But muh MC2002
Easton Price
Part of me wants to visit an ex soviet country and wet hump a prototype square cockpit hind.
Lincoln Rodriguez
Was a Czech Hind crew trolling people at an air show
R-60s could be carried on Mi-24, but using APU-60 launchers in place of the rocket pods, rather than the ATGM launchers on the wingtips
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Juan Hernandez
>full width side-by-side nose
not as convenient for a gunship/transport/whatever else the Hind can do, but damn if it isn't pretty
John Rogers
>Helis are insanely dangerous to fast movers. This is fact.
But only if the fast mover is retarded enough to get into a maneuvering fight with the helicopter at low altitude.
There should never be a need for a fighter to do so.
Even using short range AAMs would allow a fighter to stay out of the helis targeting envelope by use of altitude and speed unless the helicopter has off boresight AAMs.
Even with such capable AAMs the helicopter will be at a disadvantage due to highly reduced range and speed of its missiles being launched from a lower altitude and speed.
Carter Taylor
Holy shit really?
Why hasn't Russia or anyone played around with something goofy like mounting SAM equipment on a chopper?
Tyler Flores
Caleb Allen
Did you somehow miss this picture of the Mi-24 with R-60 missiles?
Jason Morris
In Desert Storm a F-15E had trouble getting a radar lock on a Hind due to terrain so they killed it with a GBU-10.
Even with free fall weaponry the fast mover will have the energy advantage, not to mention the ability to engage and disengage at will.