/meg/ - Military Enlistment General (165)

No because you don't fully understand the world yet. Moving out when you are young is usually a bad idea.

sorta feel like if i dont move out now i wont understand the world till im like 30 if at all

Depends what degree are you studying, what branch of the army you want to join and why you want to enlist.
Also on a personal opinion it seems a bit silly to enlist just for being independent from your parent.
Are you currently studying for a meme degree that will give you a shit job?
Will you get a degree in the military?
Are you planning to join as a regular conscript or some sort of military academy?

E-3 but Sniper School only accepts certain MOS

Moving out cost money, and joining the military doesn't completely un-fuck you, it just gives you time to think

I'm simply conveying my experiences to you. I am not trying to sound condescending.

I moved out of home at 19. I made a lot of poor choices and wasted some of the best years of my life doing stupid shot with stupid people.

I'm 24 and I still feel like a child. I don't have any friends anymore, I still can't cook for shit and I work a dead end job because my degree is worthless. I live alone, make barely enough to survive each week and my life is horribly bleak.

All of the poor choices I've made (and continue to make) are a result of me moving out when I was immature. Stay home, save money, when you do move out don't move in with your friends, because they WILL fuck you over eventually.

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Mass communications major at an ok university, as a degree its a total meme but from what i hear job oppertunities are pretty good, well diverse atleast
that being said im totally not happy doing it and im already 2 years delayed considering i shifted around alot.

I honestly want to help make my country a better place, and become more disciplined as a person as well.along withall the other reasons other people enlist (adventure, a little cash, etc.)

im not quite sure, if i attend military academy ill have to convince my parents to pay for tuition(something they arent so keen allowing me to do) also its a 4 year course before i become financially independent to some degree. and besides , i dont intend to go military for my entire career.

honestly id like to end up in some engineering battalion or EOD corps.
yknow do it cause noone else will.
i also want to be less of a financial burden to my parents, even tho they are both doctors and my brothers on too

maybe i newd time to think, personally i dont have any money at all but my parents are a tad but well off, but sorta counter the point if i borrow even more money from them

sorry to hear that, my brother moved out at 16 and is still financially dependent now that hes 24 (hes in the final stages of medicine tho) , maybe i just want a little independance is all and not get yelled at for coming home past 12 tho im fucking 20

i appreciate your adcice man i really do

Graduate college and become an Officer then.

maybe thats the best bet, all things considered.

but still i dont want to be 24 and under my parents roof , tho maybe ill mature into it. id also like to support my family as soon as possible tho.

maybe this is all just impulse

I'm 26 and I had to move back home after college. Think things threw and once you're in your senior year of school, talk to a recruiter and tell them you want to be an Officer.

freshman at uni here. Been interested in becoming a corpsman, specifically SARC, for the last 8 years now. Any advice? I want to finish my degree bc i plan on going to med school, but i also have had a lot of time to research/think about the military. Could use firsthand advice

So you want to fly planes, but enlist as intel first?

Why?

Once you become a pilot, youre never going to do any intel related shit period, and if youre doing it for future cov job stuff, your knowledge and training will be at least a decade out of date.

What intel job are you looking at that makes you want to go into that first before going pilot?

I'm with this guy. No reason to go Intel if you wanna be a pilot and no reason to enlist if you wanna be a pilot. Specifically fixed wing

here in the Philippines theres a really young age limit, i believe its 22 or 24 but i may be wrong

even if i make it it will only be by a few years. maybe i feel rushed since all my high school friends are graduating soon but i dont know

When do I get to take a shit at BCT? I'm routinely a morning shitter and I take mine around 15 minutes after walking up every day without fail. Am I going to be forced to hold it in until potty time?

Just go in and try for SARC now while youre young, before you get too old and injured to do it later. All you do to get it is sign up as a basic HM and apply for it at A school.

Just make sure your physically and mentally prepared to do it, because they literally go through the same exact training as recon and marsoc dudes.

As for medical school, just do it through the military, you only need the degree, requisite courses, and a passing mcat. Then you commission in, finish medical school, and start out as an O3.

Just wake up earlier and take a shit, or take one after morning pt real quick when youre supposed to be changing into uniform to eat at chow hall.

Going in to the army, I want to pick infantry. My recruiter and his fellow NCO's keep hititng me with this "go into job selection with an open mind and if you don't see what you want, choose something else with a short contract and then you can re-enlist with a different MOS!" bullshit. Is infantry hard to come by nowadays? Or are they just memeing because they wanna try to push me into something else because of >muh ASVAB scores
I even committed the ulimate sin and lurked the army page on reddit and some dudes were saying infantry is a super popular pick.

Am I gonna get fucked? I only want to do infantry, and I want to try and get an op4 or op40 if possible. You'd think with how rough it is on your body, grunt slots would be always opening due to a high turnover rate but what do I know

Infantry is ALWAYS open. Its so common, thats what they threaten to reclass you into if you fail ait with any other mos.

Op4 and 40 are whats rare, since they are bonuses. If you want a better chance of snagging a good bonus, study up for the asvab and score high.

If you do end up not being able to get a bonus, take a 2 year 11x contract, then reenlist your second year and grab as many goodies as you can. Fyi rasp recruiters are everywhere in big army, they show up at least a few times a year at every base.

How do i go for SARC after i finish corpsman training? And enlist after i finish my degree? Or do it through the military + med school?

My ASVAB was an 89, however because I was a naughty boy back in the day, I need an admin waiver so I think that DQ's me from taking an op40 now that I think about it. Would that waiver also harm my chances of getting an op4? I'll be fine with just being a leg for 2-3 years then reupping and snagging an airborne/rangers contract, so that gives me hope. I was just worried that infantry was a super packed, super desired MOS by the way my recruiters and the milquetoasts at reddit were talking about it

>because they literally go through the same exact training as recon and marsoc dudes.
nope
>How do i go for SARC after i finish corpsman training?
You volunteer for SARC at corpsman A school

How set are you on SARC? Because honestly, you could just finish your degree now and go straight to med school on the militaries dime. Like i said, all you need is a degree, the requisite classes, and a passing mcat. Hell, if you wanted free university right now, you can sign up through an rotc program and they will cover your tuition.

Fyi, go navy for medical. They always have the best hospitals, im talking quality and care. Airforce is close second, but navy gets more funding for their mediccal people i think. Army has the worst medical, period.

If you really want sarc, then enlist now as an HM, then at A school its literally a matter of volunteering for it. Then finish your degree while in, or wait til you get out.

But like i said in the beginning, you could do med school faster by finishing your degree now.

What do they look for most in SARC hopefulls? Really want to better my chances overall

Explain what training SARC doesnt go through

They send SARC dudes to sniper school, recon, etc.

Very in shape and not stupid thats it. Dont over think it.
Let me clarify, SARCs are complete high speed studs, what im saying is the trianing isnt 1:1 identical with recon and 100% nowhere near MARSOC dude. Yes they share a lot of schools with recon but again it isnt 1:1 identical.

Were you in during OEF?

Im gonna need you to tell me one school SARC cant go through that a marsoc marine can.

If i was going to enlist, i would absolutely try to go SARC. Like i said, I’ve been looking at being a corpsman since i was 12. If anything, sarc is my backup plan since i want to become a doctor. But still, if it is better to go in now and get all this done while I’m still young, I’d prefer to do it that way. And HM? Sorry, i havent really been involved with the military’s terminology in a while

The actual marine raider ITC course for example you clown

HM is the rate(mos), thats the umbrella job for most of the medical enlisted specialties in the navy.

So the difference between navy and all the other branches, are that you dont choose your exact job specialty for the majority of their jobs. For example, under HM, you can do xray texh, respiratory whatever, pharm tech, etc. They all fall under that rate.

That’s one thing i never understood, maybe it’s because the recruiters are just retards, but how do i ensure that i actually get the corpsman job in the first place? Seems like a luck of the draw thing, or maybe i just was never explained it properly

Youre right, SARC cant go to raider ITC and be titled as raiders, but they are still in raider units regardless. But other than raider specific training, SARC goes through every single other training.

Fyi to kid who wants to be sarc, raiders are a specific units within marsoc. Not all marsoc are raiders.

I dont disagree with anything you said, my only point was it isnt 1:1 identical.

HM is almost always on the list at meps, but just tell them you want to be an HM and try out for SARC. If you go to meps and they dont have HM, then tell them no, and walk away. Continue on with school.

Shit dude that’s what I did and it worked out pretty well for me.
> USA btw

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Alright thanks. Any other useful info i should know beforehand?

Just got out of RTC Great Lakes. AMA.

what rate nerd

Dont drop out of uni until you actually have a ship out date

Also, take into consideration, if you bomb the sarc pathway, youre gonna be working in a hospital more than likely, changing out bed pans for 4-6 years depending on contract.

IMO, look up all the physical requirements, train for them while you continue your degree, then if you are truly prepared, talk to a recruiter. If you are not confident that you can meet the physical requirements for sarc, stay in school and go to med school.

How many dicks did you suck?

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Thanks user

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Do they really not give you free time to shit?

Dont overthink it. You will know the schedule ahead of time, so plan accordingly.

Is it possible to PCS from your first duty station in a 4 year contract or am I stuck here for 4 years

Waiver will prevent you from getting airborne in your initial contract. At least that's how it worked when I joined.

Just join with 11x and get a 300pt score in basic. As long as you're not a shit bag you'll get the opportunity to pick up a rasp or 18x contract in basic.

I went in with 11x 3yr contract with 20,000 bonus and picked up 18x in osut. Failed 18x but remained infantry and kept my 20k bonus. Now I'm in the 82nd and hating my life but I'm not gonna tell you it's a bad idea just do what makes you happy. In total about 20 people picked up rasp or 18x from my company in basic about 1.5 yrs ago. Good luck

350F here, back for some more online training. AMA.

What is it on about?

>He enlisted
>He has to deal with roasties on the daily
O-2 here, O I am laffin

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How does it feel to have no work friends?

we flips dont get anywhere as much respect or funding as you do

Thats cause all the good flips came to the states.

>Now I'm in the 82nd and hating my life
>just do what makes you happy
really makes ya think

infantry is big with low retention so it's always open. recruiters may try to use you to fill a quota or just feel they're looking out for your better interests.
Just don't trick yourself into thinking you'll like it, because pretty much every grunt will confirm for you that garrison life is shit.

That depends on your MOS and where you're at
For most folks they will PCS.

Thinking about becoming a doctor in the German army, the 6 years of studying at university are at a civil university anyways so it's pretty much the same. The only catch is the 18 years of enlistment you gotta go with and the rather shitty state of our military.

As far as I've heard, people are motivated but the gov isn't giving the financing to keep shit running. Vehicles don't work, personnel is short and stuff just barely runs. That's not a very attractive situation for an employer to get new employees.

I love out and k shit, think I'd be very happy with the overall activity there. Don't like paperwork, then who does? Love medicine and want to become a doctor either way. Question is go civil route or the military one? 18 years is a lot, payment isn't higher than civil pay for a doctor, plus you can work abroad as a civil doc.

Ideas?

Fort Bragg, 35P. I think I’m stuck here.

Well if youre gonna be a doctor, what does it matter that the military equipment sucks? You should be more concerned with the medical equipment. In the states, military doctors dont really do military shit. The military know their role and let them do what they need to do.

Should have signed up for 160th. I know a for sure way to get out of your predicament since you got 4 years. Reclass to 35L lmao.

Cont

Actually, just do BLC, do a board, and you can promote to E5, once you do that you can call branch manager and ask for new orders since you were slotted for bragg as an e4.

chads keep there shirt on

I'm not sure how much of the cut spendings on the Bundeswehr extends to the medical facilities and I'm sure it's hard to find out. It will affect me though since I'll be working with all kinds of people affected by it and the satisfaction or dissatisfaction with these things does travel a bit. It'll also affect who'll end up in my care because of shitty equipment.

If your whole working environment lacks the financing to run properly, that's something to consider before signing up, especially if 18 years is the minimum.

i don't actually know this, but my personal experience is intel ends up stuck for their first contract unless it's a 6 year.

Youre overthinking it. Youre assuming poor equipment is going to lead to more injuries, and more work for you.

Your focus should be on care. Thats it. Do you hear civilian doctors complaining about how civilians dont have body armor which leads to more gunshot wounds?

This is true. Unless you start out OCONUS as first duty station, then they send you away after a year or 2.

>18 years

Not worth it.

In the states, its only 4 years of commitment(not counting medical school or residency but your basically still a civilian during that)

Also military medicine is awful. You'll have a much higher standard of living as a civilian and better job satisfaction/pay. Being a physician in the military, you are restricted on where you can practice and are surrounded by retards.

Maybe, my biggest fear is being stuck in a shitty job I hate for 18 years with no way out really. As a civilian I can work wherever I want, even for private parties, maybe get some security training in the US and go from there if I wish to.

Civilians are mostly elderly and people who don't care for their health, as well as injuries. But even for the military most people in hospital are non-combat related. That's not really the issue, the work stays the same, I'm concerned about the attitude and atmosphere with how people are subjected to substandard support by the gov.

Wrong

Military medical doctors who opt into the mil paying for med school have to serve the 4 plus the equal amount that it took to complete medical school. So ~6 years med school, 6 years for the amount of time it took to finish med school, and 4 years of obligatory officer time.

Yes med school is more relaxed mil wise, but they still do normal mil shit.

Doctors promote fast

this sounds like indentured servitude. no one should dedicate double digits to the military without having done a stint already. jesus.

Well I'd be a doctor in a hospital or abroad, where you get extra pay. Doc on a ship would sound interesting as well. Payment amounts to something along 25.000€ a year, which is barely above the 20.000-100.000€ you make as a civilian doctor depending on location and workload. I'm not looking forward to slaving my ass off and drop dead at 50yo, medicine is supposed to conserve life and health, my own first and foremost. So yeah IDGAF about big money, yet I want some appealing quality in my work environment.

The big question is will it be k and out shit with lots of medical work or just pure shit for 18 years with no way out?

Wrong. You just have to serve the 4 years of actual active duty.

>Yes med school is more relaxed mil wise, but they still do normal mil shit.
Hardly. You just have to prove you got accepted to medical school and they'll pay for the school you got accepted to. Only catch is you have to have a certain MCAT score. Then you just study.

Most get out as o-4s. Hardly a jump seeing as they direct commission as o-3s

Mil doctors have easy lives, and the pay is real good. Plus when they get out at age 42(20 years), they get all that training, benefits, money they saved, O5-O6 rank, etc.

But also, the ones who do the military med school route are extremely rare.

Dude, youre thinking of people who are already doctors going in. Im talking about people straight from 4 year university going to the military medical school program.

I'm referring to the HCSP scholarship in the states, which is the route most medical students take if their going into the military.

You get accepted to medical school, you're basically still a civilian getting it payed for and getting paid as an o-1 during, once you graduate you commission as an o-3 and go into residency. Once you're done with that, you're technically cut loose in the "real" army and go to your "first" duty station and deploy or whatever. It's 4 years of commitment after you're done with school and residency.

Ya, im talking about the people who actually go to the medical school run by the military, USUHS.

Not really. I usually shit after lights out or on Sundays. BCT was hell on my digestive system

To clear this up, as far as I'm informed it's 6 years of studying after doing 9 months of basic training of all sorts, after that about 11 years of duty. It's certainly a position or responsibility and some status, though the latter is hardly a reason for me. I just want an interesting job I can dedicate to and I hope soldiers are better patients than civilians lol.

Could be on soft shoe profile?

Depends on unit. I'm 35N at Bragg, sort of in the same boat

Airborne?

All the way

>All these people complaining about bragg, when im here at a fucking army depot 300miles from the nearest city.

I actually don’t mind Bragg I just hate running 5 mile everyday and I also hate my unit.

This. Bragg is fine, Airborne leadership is fucking cancer

Soldiers are people just like civilians. I'm not sure how things are in Germany but that should still apply.
Only difference is the population you're treating is younger and relatively healthier. And I'm sure you'd still be dealing with civilians, do soldiers families not get treated in German military hospitals?

Is Marine boot camp really that much harder than Army boot camp or is that a meme Marines like to spout so they feel cooler.

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GETTING A COLLEGE EDUCATION = GOOD
JOINING THE MILITARY = BAD

If you sign your life away to the military, you deserve every bad thing.

The Military Enlistment General discord shutdown, no more invite links

People who spout off about their basic being harder are fucking boots.

But yes, it's more physically demanding than army basic. Mentally, you're learning the same shit.

Tell me why