What is weapon you would reach for to protect yourself and loved ones in the unlikely event of a home invasion?
I use a 9mm carbine. My thinking is that a shotgun or rifle blast in my house would be too disorienting and I don’t trust that I would be effective with a pistol in a high stress situation.
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Now: .38 revolver in my underwear drawer, work my way to the gun room and grab my Hi Point
Optimal future: 9mm carbine, maybe a "pistol" AR with Shockwave "brace"
I use a baseball bat. My thinking is that a shotgun or rifle blast in my house would be too disorienting and I don’t trust that I would be effective with a pistol in a high stress situation.
12 gauge of course anything else is dumb
I use a Kentucky rifle with bayonet. My thinking is that a shotgun or rifle blast in my house would be too disorienting and I don’t trust that I would be effective with a pistol in a high stress situation.
12 gauge, 00 buckshot.
>the blast would disorient me
The first shot would do most of the job.
unless you live in a Castle, you are not going to have enough swining room for a bat, you are better off with aone handed mace/warhammer or a small sword using a two hand technique to use as a spear in tight spaces.
As for guns, if you can't get a can, use ear muffs and ear plugs...I keep them near the bed for snorring...
that pasta doesn’t work if you say that you use a rifle
Just use a Mosin
Your wife/gf a big snorer, user?
>The first shot would do most of the job
Another fudd who thinks that a shotgun's spread is significant at all at home defense distances. It is gong to be a fist sized spread. If you can miss with a bullet by the size of a fist then you can miss with a shotgun by the size of a fist, and your follow up shot is way slower.
But I'm sure you will be on top of your game and 100% on target when you were fast asleep 45 seconds ago and you have adrenaline pumping through your veins. You won't miss.
What is weapon you would reach for to protect yourself and loved ones in the unlikely event of a home invasion?
I use a 7" AR. My thinking is that 9mm in my house would not discombobulate the intruder's innards enough and I don’t trust that I would be effective with my katana in a high stress situation.
10/22, around here(one of the safest eurolands) burglars are practically never armed and I dont want any more of permanent hearing damage
A 7" .223 has about 550 ft lbf of muzzle energy
A 7" 9mm +P has about 550 ft lbf of muzzle energy.
At 7" the muzzle velocity is going to be so low that .223 isn't going to do hydrostatic shock. The threshold for that is about 2,400 fps. Below that and non-hollow point rounds are just going to ice pick through the target.
That's cool, that's cool...
But say my house was actually a bank...
You give them the money and comply . There is no fucking way I'm going to fight to defend some billionaire jew's money that is insured. WTF is in it for you to defend their money?
In fact you will probably get fired for brandishing a firearm in their business.
no no no
I didn't mean defence.
5.56 at close range is going to pas through your target and through the wall behind him and probably the next wall behind that
If you have a longer barrel the bullet will fragment. But the muzzle velocity of a 7" AR is already below the fragmentation threshold.
Shooting directly into the ceiling of my three story apartment is the optimal self defense strategy.
You'll still get hearing damage from a .22lr
Just put an electronic hearing enhancing ear muff.
We both do, mostly disposible ear plugs are good enough, but the electronic muffs are in case somebody wants to watch TV and for home defense with a shotgun.
Glock 35 with a tlr1 on it because my ar is illegal as fuck where I reside and I won't have a wml on my shotgun
I like also like pistol caliber carbines for home defense. Especially with a proper sling and a flash-light attachment.
Its important to have a retention device like a 3-point sling. Any gun that can be grabbed and pointed at you is almost more a liability than an asset.
Never-mind the autists that care about wall penetration. No court in history has ever convicted somebody of accidentally hurting a neighbor from using a gun in self-defense. You could use a fucking mag-dump a BAR inside your house to get somebody threatening you and no court could prosecute you.
yeah I know, especially indoors. Still much, much more silent than shotgun, centerfire rifle or pistol though
>effective with a pistol in a high stress situation.
How about a revolver? If you practice your point shooting you shouldn't do too badly. After all, you're at pretty close range. It's a lot easier to maneuver with a handgun than a long gun- you'll want to stay in one place if you can, but you may not have the option.
As for disorientation, something like .38 special or .45 Long Colt shouldn't be too bad out of a 6 inch barrel. If you have time to get electronic earpro on that would help.
Can you legally mount a suppressor?
Just put a can on it. That's what I use. Suppressed .22lr pistol with subsonics. Quiet to the point where in my testing, my wife has been unaware I'm shooting into a duct seal bullet trap when I'm in the next room with the door open... until she smells the horrible rimfire smoke, then she knows and I get an earful about that.
I figure on fucking a burglar's shit up, quietly, so he's confused about being beaned with these nasty little hot fuckers embedding themselves into his face or whatever, and he'll just boogie the hell out of dodge and maybe live to tell the scary tale, maybe not.
Right now i have heavy target barrel but once I buy a thinner barrel I'll have it threaded. Cans are cheap and need no paperwork here
Any basic pump shotgun is best no brainer option for home defense.
>kentucky rifle
>with a bayonet lug
lmao larping faggot
12 gauge chamber pressure is what, 12,000 lbs?
9mm chamber pressure is 35,000 psi?
I've shot a 12 gauge goose load in a very narrow backyard, pitch black, and the muzzle flash was like a fain orange flash the size of a nerf football. My ears rang a little- not too bad.
20 gauge Shockwave loaded with #3 buck. It's the best I can do without a pistol permit in upstate NY.
12 gauge with a mixed load of 00 buck and slugs. Can never be too careful.
This, loaded with the Lord's chosen 12 gauge round, #1 buckshot.
9mm hipoint carbine with one of those redball donkey dick mags is my go to
9mm XD9 Tactical with a flashlight
Ive got you beat... My dumbass just ND a brand new 12 gauge full of 2 3/4" 00 buck shot, IN MY FUCKING BASEMENT last week and literally no ringing of ears
New gun owner here, i was wondering if my pistol should be cocked 24/7? Will that wear out any of the springs or any internals parts?
shotguns tend to be way longer then a pistol. Old fudd lore is that a 20'"+ barrel on a shotgun is far enough away from your face to snap a shot with out ear protection while hunting.
Pistols are right in your face. and besides, I'm pretty sure the fact that a shotgun isn't rifled has quite a bit about not building up alot of pressure. all that powder still is exploding, and there is more of it.
>one day I will shoot a madmax sawed off, its on my bucket list
Big question. what gun?
12 gauge mossberg 500, cruiser ready, low recoil 00 buck at my house
20 gauge stevens 520, cruiser ready, #2 buck at my summer home
compact glock 43
additionally is it okay for there to always have rounds in the magazine? will that wear the magazine's springs?
you have the highest chance of a one shot stop with a shotgun statistically
You should really have at least a folding stock on your shotgun m8.
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Magazine springs wear mostly from repeated use - Keeping it compressed should not have negative effects.
Probably shoot your defense mags once/twice a year.
Not a bad call amigo.
thanks, and what about the gun itself being cocked 24/7?
The rifling has nothing to do with the low pressure, it's the powder type used. Shotgun powder, like pistol powder, has a much much slower burn rate compared to rifle powder, and a lower peak pressure as well. My favorite reloading powder for pistol range rounds is Alliant Unique, and that is also a popular powder with shotgun reloaders for busting clays.
oh yeah your springs fine. its not like Vietnam where you are in the shit and you need to ease them back at base or its ww2 and you need to bang mags on your helmet. mag springs are all very high tech nowadays.
that said, a glock isn't so much 'cocked' so much, as it doesn't have a hammer. but I get what you are asking. the recoil spring is crazy strong, and its fine to leave it in a safe empty and locked back, let alone loaded.
Is the judge a bad idea or is fourten not a heavy enough load? Considering buying one for meems and such and it wouldnt look bad in my night stand
>build AR9
>spend ~$900 on a side charger with LRBHO that takes Glock mags
>Ruger comes out with this, that is better for a fraction of the price (because I live in California)
Life is suffering
>22lr practice shooting indoors
Enjoy the lead poising :(
Why would you ever take a pump over a semi auto shotgun
thnx m8
well not NOTHING. Slugs can raise pressure, but I get your point.
.45 LC with JHPs would be extremely effective. .410 would be idiotic for home defense.
Rifling ups the pressure in the firearm as it impedes free movement of the bullet down the bore.
Pistol and shotgun powder is some of the fastest burning powders available. The low pressure comes from fast burn of a small amount in a large case volume.
>implying you’re using FMJ for home defense and not a super hunting round
I used to use 55 grain hollowpoint 223 for coyotes... it made a mess
Fascinating.
So what's with all the 5.56 super shorties you see Feds and SWAT types with? Why don't they use pistol carbines? IF its to maintain the AR platform, you can get pistol calibre ARs.
Im an idiot what does jhp mean? Also what kind of application does fourten serve? Im a curious no guns
What did you destroy
Once I save money and get the fuck out of New Jersey, I would use a Mossberg Shockwave or a 10mm pistol or carbine for home defense.
>not 000 buckshot
Plebian desu
Reliability
Jacketed hollow points
410 can be used for home defense but most people use them for dove, squirrel, and rabbit
I know, right? Lead is one of the most poised metals. So graceful, and in .22lr subsonic form, so quiet and tidy. Or perhaps you meant 'poisoning' user? If that, yeah, a small risk, but I only shoot a little indoors, when testing a new suppressor build, and have the 0.5micron filter running within a few feet of it so the smoke goes up into that thing.
You can get semi autos to reliably function. Otherwise just get a semi auto/pump shotgun if you’re that worried lol
I think it’s more of the coating everything with fine lead dust than just the suspended lead in the air
Government inefficiency, because the people who procure things and the people who use things are never on the same page.
My guess would be logistics streamlining and also good old fashioned ignorance of the ballistic impact of a short barrel on 5.56x45mm.
An order of magnitude worse with supersonic loads. I shoot strictly subsonics, where there's practically zero lead appearing when I clean the barrel and strictly powder residue on the suppressor baffles, zero lead build-up. I really dislike loud things, so only ever stay below 1050fps, whatever I shoot. Hypersensitive hearing is a bitch.
Thank you kindly
Most pictures I've seen are with 10.5" which I've heard described as the "shortest possible ar to be ballistically relevant".
m855 is useless but m193 might still fragment out to a bit under 20 yards I think it is. If you modern cool-kid ammo 10.5" is still useful, 300 blackout is still useful from a 7".
Short ARs like that are a hell of a lot easier to swing around indoors and most of those guys aren't going to be shooting at people ~150 yards away.
SWAT and FBI can use hollow point rounds. It basically means any bullet will kill good
000 buck is based for sure, I just prefer #1 buck. Still though, both are better choices than 00 buck, easily. The problem with 00 buck is that it doesn't stack very efficiently in 12 gauge shells and thus you have lots of wasted space. Might as well move up to 000 buck at that point.
Just shoot the guy instead of larping
Wouldn’t a sniper rifle be the ideal home defense gun? Get the bastards right through the noggin from half a mile away. They wouldn’t even know it was coming.
>unless you live in a castle
You dont? Fucking houselets I swear.
Alright we’ll stay safe friend
I try to. The odd hint of lead dust in the hair can't be so bad as when I carried a few pellets under my tongue as a kid, while hunting. Probably explains why I'm such an idiot in my 50's.
they both have standard full stocks, cruiser ready refers to their condition.
Forget home defense weapons, let's talk home defense design. How would you lay out your house to be best defended against home invasion?
>front and back door/windows into living room
>living room leads to kitchen door w/ bolt and dog door, wall facing living room has narrow tasteful arches at shoulder height
>pitbull named snarf/crimeboss sleeps in the kitchen/living room
>kitchen connects to hallway containing bedroom and guest room, both windowless
>plan of action is to grab shotgun and occupy kitchen as fast as possible, fire through arches while toadline ape dog attracts jamal's attention
>realistically i probably call 9/11 and hide in my room while jamal-dog goes apeshit because it saw a baby outside
300blk with 10.5 or smaller barrel is pretty ideal for HD, given that you use lighter ammo like 110gr barnes. Otherwise just go with 223 with 14+in barrel.
Or just 147HST 9mm
Keep blinds shut at night, lock doors/windows, keep lights on when not at home, cut down excess bush in yard, add motion security lights, have a doggo (preferably not rat size or pitbull who is more likely to kill you), and don't brag about all the expensive stuff you own.
Boring practical advice, just add carbine/shotgun/pistol.
>Not using 0000 buck in a 10 gauge for home defense.
Not gonna make it.
A hammer.
My pc carbine with a 33 round fun stick, red dot and light.
7.62 x 39 , 8.3" long barrel .