French GIGN is going to slowly replace all of their assault rifle currently in use (Mostly the HK416 chambered in 5...

Better penetration and performance out of an SBR mainly. Apparently during some of their recent terrorist attacks they had unsatisfactory performance from their 5.56 carbines.
Look at this man, look at this man and laugh.

Did someone say niggers

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I don't know, but I hope more people adopt the Bren rifle, because it's probably the best 5.56mm rifle in production.

>best 5.56mm in production
>adopt it in 7.62

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Because they want something that works better in suppressed short barrel rifles. 30 cal projectiles also have better barrier penetration

.300 blackout seems like an obvious solution, but I do not think it is used outside of the USA. I bet no French ammo factory even makes it .

Also I suspect they don't like 300 blackout because it can chamber in 5.56 weapons and destroy them. Since the weapons look externally indentical I can see why they'd want round unrelated to the existing 5.56 weapon platforms

Better penetration while still possible to retain okay stopping power. Tungsten cored bullet wrapped in soft metal performs better with larger diameter.. if you are not shooting at far away targets.
>Isn't there a risk for over-penetration
Not really a concern when the bad guys are hiding behind light cover (walls, cars, trees, etc).

Like other anons said 7.62 is better subsonic performer as 7.62 has more mass moving at same speed as 5.56 subsonic. That same reasoning is behind 9x39 cartridge development, it's sacrificing even more range tho for more mass.

>stopping power
but Jow Forums told me it was a meme

It is. You need a hit to CNS or hip to down someone near instantly with intermediate cartridge, witch is a bit easier with bigger bullet. Making your bullet to icepick through the target with it's AP properties is really bad without expanding soft metal around it to create larger wound than ~7.62/5.56 straight hole and 7.62 gives 2mm more width to play with thus retaining some messy killy effect of expanding/shattering ammo. Therefore okay stopping power.

This

All of those immigrants are bringing 7.62x39 with them, so they have a lot of confiscated ammo.

The most autistic maybe

Rude
But they are pansies

your opinion is fucking garbage
the KAC SR-15 is the best 5.56mm rifle in production

The police dont really care as much about long range engagements, ammo weight or penetration, so the stopping power of 762x39, and its controllable recoil, makes it excellent for for police use.

So who are the 22 SAS/CAG of France?

They must be so professional and super sekrit nobody knows about them

1st RPIMA

it also doesnt care about barrel length or fragmentation.
if you just want to shoot a guy down with a gun it doesnt get much better

yes

Special forces from the Netherlands have ordered rifles chamber in .300 blk; in isolation it seems like it would make more sense, as .300 blk is purpose designed for this role, and works easily enough with existing magazines & the like. Good point about the ammo manufacturing; I know among Europeans the French are most prone to try and source military equipment domestically, and setting up ammo production just for a special forces unit probably isn't fiscally efficient.

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/09/dutch-marsof-officially-purchase-300-blk-sig-mcx-rifles/

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I thought they stopped using the SPAS and MR73 a while back, at least outside of training.

Inside of 400m 7.62x39 is really quite good still, hence why the Finns still use it in their woods.
People seem to think everyone is using M43 to this day with it's ice-pick wounds, but a 7.62x39 soft point will seriously fuck up an islammy's day without penetrating 4 apartment blocks.

7.62 is objectively worse at penetration than 5.56.

Depends. versus light vegetation and other forms of concealment, 7.62x39 is better due to 5.56's habit of being unable to keep a straight course through that stuff and x39's extra mass preventing such issues.
Versus a brick wall or other actual cover, 5.56 is better, especially stuff like M855

>replace all of their assault rifle currently in use (Mostly the HK416 chambered in 5.56x45) with CZ Bren 2 rifles chambered in 7.62x39mm

This is a really stupid decision.

t. Firearms expert

It's a pitty the didn't choose 300 AAC. But not really surprising.

They’re going to switch back very quickly

>Muh czechnology
Fuck off

You're right, I should have specified, 5.56 is great against hard barriers, 7.62 is great at softer thick barriers.

>1st RPIMA
don't forget the two other regiment that the 4th R.H.F.S and 13th R.D.P are

How does the 7.62x39 fare against ballistic protection compared to the 5.56 ? If it does not overpenetrate hard barriers I could see why a police force would want to prevent overpenetration as much as possible, but they still need to down armed suspects.

Isn't the 13th RDP an intel SF and the 4th RHFS an helicopter SF unit (Like the american 160th Aviation)?

They're just hipster CZ faggos

gign-historique.com/gign/le-gign-sequipe-dun-nouveau-fusil-dassaut-bren-2-tcheque/
>after the terrorist attacks of 2015 with terrorists using bulletproof vests there was a need for a change of caliber.

>bulletproof vests
did they also have ceramic plates? otherwise that means jack shit against 5.56

>t. modern cletus

I will
>DURP
>Hmm I nned to shat tarrorist seeaintly wit no lood craka noais wunda howa do dis!?!?!??!?

They ain't a fuck huge army it's a small elite police/mil force of around 500 I think retraining for 7.62x39 out of a good weapon platform shouldn't be too hard now.

French just being hipsters as usual. I hate Western countries that ignore NATO standards.

Fuck you, 5.56 is already perfect for both those roles.

>Fuck you, 5.56 is already perfect for both those roles.
No you fucking idiot, the 5.56s's effectiveness is entirely dependent upon its velocity. It most certainly is not "perfect" out of super short barrels, or especially at subsonic velocities

So basically Russian with a more budget.

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>boohooh a 500 men unit has a non-nato standard weapon
Big deal.

GIGN have nothing to do with NATO.

Any unit in a Western country has an obligation to use NATO standard equipment. 7.62x39 is a fucking commie round.

>Any unit in a Western country has an obligation to use NATO standard equipment.
Please shut the fuck up.

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After watching some videos on youtube about them it seems they mainly fight balloons. Does 7.62x39 have better balloon killing potential?

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It's only a semi meme. Bigger faster bullets put people down faster, but it's nothing compared to shot placement. The real benefit behind a larger bullet is being more barrier blind which is fantastic in an urban environment.

suppressed subsonic short barrel

thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/11/gign-adopts-cz-806-bren-2-7-62x39/

When will CZ release a civilian 7,62x39 Bren or even a 7,62Nato one

Against legitimate armor plates, pretty poorly. It doesn't have enough velocity to reliably crack them even over a few rounds.
Soft armor would get chewed up against either round.

Underrated

5.56 subsonic is basically a .22lr dude

Probably not for awhile. The Bren 2 is years out, so I doubt we'd see any other calibers until it hits the US market.

Kek

I think it's less about caliber and more about the price of the rifle...look there are a lot of 30 year old boomers with buyers remorse trying to justify spending near 3,000 USD on a basic bitch rifle.

The SCAR and the HK416 are both incredibly overpriced guns, the SCAR is fine but is basically a Glock as far as ease of manufacture and material recourse. There is no justification for the price point.

The HK416 is slightly better since it is made of high quality expensive parts, but there is still a Name Brand Tax attached to HK products.

The CZ Bren is basically a SCAR at half the price because the manufacturers aren't dick heads.

Hell, I'm honestly thinking that the Berreta ARX is probably a better choice if the French are on a budget.

>the SCAR is fine but is basically a Glock as far as ease of manufacture and material recourse.
Try explaining this the dunces who bought one of these. It was literally desinged to be cheaper to manufacture than the AR15. That was the main requirement. Yet retards will spend 3500+ on it and will defend the company for screwing them in the ass.

>AR15
>best
No.

It really blows my mind.

1) The Lower is Polymer

2) The Upper is largely one large block of aluminum with minimal machining at best.

All these retards thinking this is about being more combat effective when it’s simply the cheaper deal.

And here I thought that Jow Forums were the most autistic about shot placement.

Want the people they’re fighting to feel more at home

France repleaced their FAMAS for their whole land army because the FAMAS used a specific 5.56 ammo that wasn't used too much with NATO. The GIGN does not obey to the same logic because they're only a select group that has to accomplish select missions and as such do not have to worry about ammo carrying.

Cheaper deal out of what ? The GIGN already has newish rifles except they're chambered in 5.56 and apparently it wasn't good enough for GIGN anymore. Other french police units, mostly the BRI and the RAID still use their HK416.

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Proofs with a side of go on mr."expert".

Gotta have rope

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You think they just switched calibers for shits and giggles? Presumably they either offered rifle protection or more likely(imo) is that rounds failed to retain enough mass/velocity through intermediate barriers to work against lower threat level armor. That's just an educated guess based of the assumption that GIGN has a logical reason for switching to 7.62x39 considering 5.56 tends to have better performance on armor than it(assuming comparable ammo) when no barriers are involved. Or it could just be a misunderstanding or misquote of their actual reasoning.
>Fuck you, 5.56 is already perfect for both those roles.
(you)

>block
>extruded

lol

Money. Someone is getting a Payday and kickback.

Not him, but soft armor is a total non issue for all intermediate cartridges and level IV plates are too tough for anything short of .338 to reliably penetrate. Even AR500 steel plates are capable of stopping 7.62x51 ball. GIGN is supposed to be a police unit, so it would be pretty odd if they were interested in punching through cover in urban areas.
I suspect that someone in GIGNs chain of command is making money off this deal.

they can steal ammo from the nigger terrorists they'll be shooting

>Mostly the HK416
Didn't they just switch to the HK too?
I mean the Bren is heavier

>soft armor is a total non issue for all intermediate cartridges
Sure, if they're still moving at rifle velocities. OTOH if they've lost considerable speed and either fragmented or increased in surface area due to hitting an intermediate barrier then all bets are off.
>it would be pretty odd if they were interested in punching through cover in urban areas.
what? that's literally why they want it. GIGN does lots of CT work and they had several cases where they were getting in firefights with well armed and motivated jihadis wearing some type of armor and taking cover behind common urban building materials/vehicles. 7.62x39 excels at defeationg such barriers in comparison to 5.56, just ask SOCOM or NSWC CRANE.

That's from 3 years ago and an mcx has not been spotted with them yet.

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Daily reminder .300 blk will be dead in 20 years and Glorious x39 will live until humans itself perish.

We need USA made x39

Who it's like you've never even read the compliance regs. When will summer end?

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US should not be making commie rounds.

A few US companies make 7.62x39 but there isn't enough demand for the caliber in the US so they can't compete price wise with stuff made overseas.

>muh culture
We've already been replaced by Latinos bro it's over
Good point, with the century shit becoming more popular hopefully it can change

>and using subsonic ammo
Which the french don't have in any caliber, much less 7.62x39. In fact, the ONLY country to have ANY subsonic 7.62x39 is Russia, and they don't use it in their military and it's made in very small quantities by 1 factory for the civilian sport-shooting world.

>by turning them into immigrant rape-and-murder gangs by arming them

>and they don't use it in their military
Wut?

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Look at this retard!

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They probably just want to give a big middle finger to Germany.

>tard posting

They shoot regular-issue supersonic x39, m8. Just like all the US units with cans for their 5.56 guns use regular supersonic 5.56.
>but why
Because subsonic rounds suck at killing things.

it's really unfortunate how retarded you are

Well to be fair 7.62x39 has more energy in general so it isn't just useful with short barrels

Man I'm a Czoy boy and I still can't call the bren the best of the current 5.56

>the FAMAS used a specific 5.56 ammo that wasn't used too much with NATO
There's a froganon who says this is this is a myth perpetuated by the FAMAS wiki page. He said they use regular brass 5.56mm without issue. I don't know if this is true, but the only reference to the FAMAS not being able to handle regular NATO 5.56mm seems to be from a single French news article from 2009. Kinda beginning to wonder if this is just a Jow Forums urban legend.

1st RIPMA balls outta your mouth