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opinion ignored

>triggered

no sir i can spot a shit opinion because i have a top notch shit opinion detector

In which part of that post did I give my opinion? I cited only facts.

Pick one, none of them will treat you wrong. I have owned all 3 at one time.My personal preference was the PPQ M2. Pick the one you like the most and then shoot the shit out of it and if you have the opportunity and funds get training.

don't you watch ben shapiro? feelings =/= facts you leftist weenie

Glawk, w/threaded barrel

>everybody who doesn't like my favorite gun is a LEFTIST
When you hit rock bottom of no arguments.

>gun not mentioned in list with aftermarket trigger
No no you are the nigger

PPQ or P30 but I personally lean toward P30. Fn is trash. Glock or m&p might be worth considering.

Would rather have p30 than vp9. Vp9 is kind of trash in size to capacity area and at least p30 is da/sa

I like the PPQ the best of the three, but you should go fingerfuck and dry fire them all, none of them are a bad choice.

with the p30 da/sa stands for dogshit action/shitty action

Thoughts on p2000sk?

like most HK handguns, mediocre

>Would rather have p30 than vp9. Vp9 is kind of trash in size to capacity
Broseph. They use the exact same magazines.

>and at least p30 is da/sa
That's not a positive with this gun.

I kek'd

Striker guns normally have a smaller profile than hammer for capacity but the vp9 doesn't is what I'm getting at.
SA can be made better, striker can't be as great as a tuned SA

> Glock 19 BTTF
Got a couple hot brass kiss scars after the casing miraculously bounced and trapped between muh face and my eye pro. I love her though.

The P30 trigger cannot be "made better" without a trip to Grayguns.

mostly just home defense

>all these idiots not knowing you should get the LEM trigger if you get the P30
Why are we pretending that duty guns should have the same characteristics as competition only guns?
If you're only going to use it for range shooting I'd get the PPQ classic, but if you're going to carry it I'd suggest the P30 v1.

The only handgun I've ever owned is a CZ P01 that was gifted to me. I am completely satisfied with it because:

1. Free
2. Reliable: Army testing showed 2142 ARBF rate
3. Most common caliber, ammo will be easy to find if SHTF
4. No safety. Put booger hook on bang switch and it will go boom, every time
5. High capacity and compact
6. Fits my hand
7. Hammer fired so I can place thumb firmly on hammer to make sure I don't blow my cock off holstering weapon
8. Can get threaded barrel, RMR, suppressor, and other accessories readily
9. Inverted slide rails give lower bore axis and less muzzle flip

There are a lot of fine pistols out there , but for a free weapon that fell into my lap, legally, it's a great piece.

The stock sights suck donkey balls, though.

That said, my favorite pistol to shoot is the Smith and Wesson 686.

Get a Steyr

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PPQ hands down. so good.

>ppq isn’t an excellent “duty” weapon
>ppq is for competition only
>lem is any good
You should stop posting tonight and give your noggin a rest friend

>malfunctions
>everyone at the range laughs at you and your hipster space blaster
No thanks

>glock-tier grip angle
into the trash it goes

Not worth their price tag. If they were about $100 dollars and some change closer to the price of a brand new Glock they would be perfect. They're great deals when you can find them used though.

Dude. You had to pay how much extra for that? And I bet you the PPQ is still better...

whichever fits in your mouth.

Checked, reckt, and correct.

>Glock 19/26
Can the brass to the face issues be fixed with a non-stock extractor?

FNS is hands down best bang for your buck atm in terms of price and the features you get. I can't go back to non-ambi handguns which pisses me off because so few are ambi. They make those offhand drills retardedly easy.

>Striker guns normally have a smaller profile than hammer for capacity but the vp9 doesn't is what I'm getting at.
That's because it's just a redesigned P30. The PPQ has a better trigger anyway, plus the PPQSC's "finger grooves" are a lot less offensive than the VP9SK's.

I've had Glocks that did it and I've had other Glocks that didn't do it at all. Yes, the issue can be exacerbated by ammo and by your grip, but I'm talking about the same shooter, same ammo. I've seen it in Gen 3's and Gen 4's, and I've seen it on video with a Gen 5. Sometimes the issue doesn't even surface until you've put about 500 rounds through the gun, sometimes it is evident from the first shots. I've just about given up on 9mm Glocks. The .40 and 10mm models have enough power to shoot the brass over my head, although ejection still tends to be "sprinkler pattern" for the same shooter, same ammo.

Usually, yes. Sometimes, no.

>Can G19/G26 brass to the face issues be fixed

yes. Sometimes the ejector is the culprit too. I didn't want to fuck with it so I swapped out both. went on LoneWolf's site and got their Alphawolf extractor (AW-1895-SS) and LWD trigger housing (LWD-UTH-9).

Fixed it completely, all my brass lands in a nice little pile to my 3 o'clock

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>using a umarex as anything other than a range toy

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(You)

Nearing 4K rounds, had 2 sneak under my eye pro, both were probably within the first 1k rounds or so. Both were indoor range, 2 scenarios either it bounced off the wall of the stall onto and in, or directly flipped at my face for a swish. Haven’t had a problem since and I was never getting bombarded the entire time shooting if that’s what dudes are reporting.

Get the P30L. Softer shooting and doesn't look like shit. The trigger is worse, but the people in this thread need to eat their wheaties. Triggerfags are the brainlets of shooting.

/hg/ exists so that this thread doesn’t happen
Nice job using the catalog

early gen 3 ejectors were defective. that's why some dudes are "I've never had a problem" and others are "fuck glocks"

As usual, HK fan flinging mud to defend their overpriced purchase.

And...softer shooting? 9mm Softer shooting? gtfo my Jow Forums

They're $550 faggot. And yes the weighty slide and dual recoil spring makes it shoot softer than other 9mm.

Brainlet or just a newfag?
Just because there is a general doesn’t mean people are forced to use it. It’s frequently very cancerous and OP would not have gotten as much info and opinions had he posted it there.

It's not a generational problem. I've seen Gen 3, Gen 4 and Gen 5 9mm Glocks that had the issue. Also, the "early" Gen 3's were fine. The issue started to crop up around 2010-2013 and reappears sporadically. Replacing the ejector on some Gen 3 Glocks can fix the problem, but it's not because the ejector was a bad part. It's because the quality control on both the ejectors and the extractors took a nosedive and the tolerances opened way up as a result. This is what causes erratic ejections. Some guns will have a good ejection pattern from the factory, but that's more due to chance: if your ejector and extractor are a good match to each other, the gun will be fine. If not, it will have issues and even replacing one or both parts might not fix it.

P30 doesn’t have a dual recoil spring you stupid shill, not that it does anything to dampen recoil. Don’t talk about guns you know nothing about and haven’t shot.

You're right I was retarded, it's a buffer system. Not the dual recoil spring that's in the USP.

Buffer system hasn’t been shown to reduce recoil either. It’s just marketing memes friend

Subjectively it feels softer shooting than my other 9mm guns. Marginally softer than my 92FS, much softer than my P7, and waayyyy softer than my old P229 that I sold.

>They're $550
No, they aren't. You might be able to get lucky and find them on sale for somewhere more than that, but the MSRP is $819.

Quick search on gunwatcher showed me several shops with them for $600 shipped. Im sure you could find them cheaper if you looked around. They recently did a massive price drop on them with HK expanding US production.

interstateguns.com/hk-p30l-lem-9mm-black-m730901l-a5.html

>lem
fail

>no not that one
ok then

Weird, what happened to 550? This the ole HK price switcheroo?

Don't show him. I'm about to buy one and there's only 5 left in stock.

Do you have the price of every gun memorized to the gnats ass? It's less than a 10% difference.

Assuming you'll never want to carry, the longer the barrel the better. I have both a PPQ and a p30 v1, so I'll speak to that.

I like the sights, extractor, exposed hammer for concealed carry, and grip on the p30 better. The trigger is better on the PPQ, but only in one way I haven't been able to train around so far: it's pretty fucking hard to pin a PPQ trigger, and not hard at all on an LEM p30.

Holsters for either are a bitch compared to M&Ps or Glocks in my experience, and enjoy your fucking lead times if you have a light. Paddle or button is up to your preference, but it will fuck your muscle memory up if you have to switch back for other pistols.

Also, realize that on a long enough time scale, we all develop an inexplicable interest in WW2 and all metal DA/SA guns. Just saying.

Get a Glock 19. At first glance it's uninteresting, ugly, not ergonomic, has a terrible trigger, and let's face it is just a Glock.

Then you try every other polymer handgun on the market, and realize you shoot your Glock better. Don't waste thousands of dollars on other handguns just to figure out that the Glock 19 may not have been the gun you wanted, but the gun you needed all along.

Once you get enough rounds through a Glock you will realize that you can shoot it faster than any other pistol you own. You will realize that the trigger you thought was shitty is actually one of the best triggers, especially the reset, and you'll appreciate that there's not a handgun out there that can match the capacity vs weight vs shootability and reliability of a Glock 19.

So get the 19. You may hate it at first, but it's the true patrician's handgun.

LEM is the one you should get you fucking idiot.

So you prefer the LEM p30

Get the PPQ, but make sure you get the classic/M1 version with the superior paddle release.

The PPQ is an alright handgun, but it has a lot of muzzle flip. Flannel daddy sums it up pretty well. I woulodn't tell you not to get one, but I think there's better handguns on the market namely the Glock 19 and M&P 2.0.

youtube.com/watch?v=krZt22UiPDk

>recommending klok
If I had that shrek cringe picture saved, I'd be posting it right about now.

I paid $400 for the M&P, the trigger was $160. I own a PPQ M1 (as well as a P30L) and the Apexed 2.0 is vastly superior. Honestly, nothing really compares as far as striker fired pistols.

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Triggers are overrated. Just get out there and shoot.

PPQ is really fantastic. All of those are great guns but the PPQ has a better trigger and grip. Everyone who shoots my PPQ falls in love with it.

PPQ doesn't have any more muzzle flip than other polymer gun. Less than a Glock. I've fired Glocks and the PPQ at the range at the same time and PPQ had less muzzle flip. You can also compensate for that by attaching a light on the rail under the barrel.

That's just not true. You can't cheat physics. Height over bore and reciprocating mass matter. The PPQ may be softer shooting, but it isn't going to allow for faster follow up shots than something with a lower bore axis.

PPQ bore axis just isn't that high. It's pretty average.

It's pretty high.

HK P30L

Glock 19. Hands down. The only gun you listed that's comparable is the PPQ, but the PPQ has a higher bore axis than the glock, although the PPQ has the better stock trigger. Keep in mind the triggers can be changed but the bore axis can't.

When in doubt, go glock. They won't let you down. Accurate, reliable pistols.

Just look at this gun firing. Do you see a lot of muzzle flip?
youtube.com/watch?time_continue=203&v=D_QhiTa-7OA

Bore axis isn't everything and the PPQ's bore axis is right around average.
guntweaks.com/pistol-bore-axis-comparison-what-is-low-bore-axis.html

If you've never fired a PPQ I don't blame you for not understanding. But it truly doesn't flip much at all.

TERRIBLE trigger, AFAIK from other users

Everyone saying try them all and see what suits you best is correct. I recently made the same decision (first pistol) and had it narrowed down to your list, plus some others. Shot them all and settled on the P30L v1 simply because I liked it the most. For me, it was the most comfortable and I shot the best with it. It doesn't matter if people think you make the wrong choice. No one except for you can decide which will be best for you. All of your choices are objectively good pistols and I think you'l be happy with whatever you choose.

Best of luck!

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Everybody wants to bitch about X gun's muzzle flip but nobody wants to post split times so I can see exactly how much of a problem they're talking about.

>superior paddle release
They had to come out with a button release cause no one wants the shitty paddle. VP9 button release incoming...

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this guy has no idea what he's talking about

Yeah, a lot of people also listen to justin bieber or snort coke. People are retards.

Is there any wedge issue as powerful as button vs paddle?

Also, paddle-bros, is it safe to use your trigger finger to hit the paddle? Middle finger breaks the master grip, which is why I switched from button in the first place?

Free my ass, nobody gave you a free gun.

The PPQ and the P30L are both outstanding, shoot the two on your own time. Anything but hte FN. They want you to send your gun to a "FN certified Armorer" ever 2k rounds.

The P30 isn't close to outstanding with that dogshit trigger

>Also, paddle-bros, is it safe to use your trigger finger to hit the paddle?
Yes.

>P30 DA/SA 9mm for $550
cdnnsports.com/p30-9mm-v3-decocker-3-86.html

Not like / will ever apologize for his bad behavior. Fucking jackass.

The P30 trigger is definitely not a "target trigger," at least speaking about the single action, but the double action pull is smooth and the gun is easy to shoot. Nothing about the trigger gets in your way of shooting.

I agree. PPQ would be a fine choice too. Really digging my P30L v1. I think some of the complaints about the trigger are perfectly reasonable, but there are so many other good things about the gun that I can overlook the trigger being kind of mediocre.

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It could have been a gift/inheritance from a family member. He sounds like an insufferable cunt though just like every other CZ owner.

>t. CZ owner

Whats with all the P30 trigger hate the P30SK LEM is like one of the best carry guns I've ever owned