Hey Jow Forums. I have diagnosed clinical depression and anxiety. A few weeks ago I started therapy and I think it's helping, but today my therapist and I got into the subject of guns after discussing my hobbies. We only talked for a few minutes and said we'd dive more into it at my next session.
I've talked to her about a lot of other things and she's been nothing but understanding and helpful, but I'm worried about talking about guns. I even told her today it was a touchy subject for me to bring up because I know how polarizing the subject is and said I was worried about politics getting in the way of our discussion, but she assured me that her whole job is to be empathetic and non judgemental. She told me she had never gone shooting and didn't know much about guns, and seemed genuinely interested and accepting of what I've told her so far.
Should I be worried about saying more? She knows that I own guns and shooting is a hobby, but doesn't know that I carry or the reasons I got into guns to begin with. I really do want to talk about but am worried about what her reaction will be and that she'll pull more from common misconceptions and media BS than what I tell her, since she's otherwise totally new to the subject.
Has anyone here ever been in therapy? Did you tell your doctor about guns, and if so how deep did you go?
kill yourself retard, we dont need more autists like you shooting up schools
Brody Scott
Jow Forums told me depression isn't real, and they're never incorrect. Just man the fuck up and lift some weights, like a trumale.
Ryder Lopez
As someone who was in your shoes a few weeks ago, talk about it. If you want to talk about it, do so. Her job is to listen and be a 3rd party to bounce ideas and thoughts off of. So long as you don't talk about wanting to have yourself or someone else try out Kobain's microphone, she has no reason to be worried or upset.
Ignore this sad excuse for a human. He has no other outlets for his childhood trauma.
Josiah Sullivan
Thanks Jow Forums, I'm cured. Just took quitting Facebook and going to the gym.
Thanks for the reassurance. I wasn't talking about obvious red flag stuff, they straight up told me when I started everything was confidential except for threats of harm to myself or others. Maybe it's just my anxiety talking as she's been nothing but great so far.
Landon Howard
Does your state have a red flag law?
Camden Sanchez
it takes three things generally, in my experience, thoughts plans and intent. unless you live in CT or Florida or you are a Veteran going to the VA. -Depressed fag
Oliver Taylor
I am a real person.
Look at I was 14 once also. Can't talk about it. Jr is listening.
Caleb Brown
“We are talking about the same thing here aren't we lady? I meant that I have, like, 15 Nerf blasters.”
David Morris
>Thanks Jow Forums, I'm cured. Just took quitting Facebook and going to the gym. You're memeing around but Jow Forums and Sam Harris said that depression isn't real and "dude just lifting weights and eating/sleeping right lmao" will cure your depression. And they're always objectively 100% correct and infallible because they're BASED conservatives who care about facts and not feelings >tl;dr: stop being baseless, hit the gym and become based
Tyler Howard
Michigan, so nope. But if I go in there and say "I want to kill myself / this other person" they have a duty to report me to the police, who at the very least will be waiting at my house to confiscate my guns pending a formal evaluation.
I'm glad there's no "red flag" law because anyone could report me as being dangerous just because I'm in therapy and own guns, and a judge could order them removed just like that.
Jonathan Young
>conservatives >care about facts and not feelings
11/10 top satire
Grayson Ramirez
Just one tip. Never talk about self-defense to these people. When you talk about that stuff, they instantly think that you’re paranoid because their minds are stuck inside their privileged, middle class world, where they never had to worry about being gang stalked or attacked.
>But user, there is never a justification for killing someone. All life is precious hurrr hurrrr
That’s why therapy is supposed to be an occupation for intellectuals and not baby boomer manchildren who are obsessed with humanitarian fallacies.
Sebastian Jones
Then you're fine.
Chase Fisher
Got any evidence or sources/citations that I'm wrong? Thought so, you low-testosterone sōyboy. Maybe if you spent less time whining about "the bad evil conservative meanies" then you'd be less depressed and have more energy to hit the gym, which is a proven and BASED way of combating "depression" (which isn't real because Jow Forums and Sam Harris said so). Hit the weights, take a shower, gain some height, get laid.
also this is still Jow Forums related because mental illness can bar you from buying a firearm as per ATF form 4473. If you really want to pretend you're memepressed, then be prepared to give up your guns.
Camden Fisher
depressed people don't shoot up schools they shoot them selves you retarded normalfag
>also this is still Jow Forums related because mental illness can bar you from buying a firearm as per ATF form 4473
Only if you're adjudicated a mental defective (formally declared retarded / incapable of caring for yourself or a danger to others) by a court or are held in a psych ward involuntarily.
Just having a mental illness and getting therapy / being on meds doesn't disqualify you.
Henry King
>Just having a mental illness and getting therapy / being on meds doesn't disqualify you. Jow Forums LIED TO ME
Defence is one of the main reasons I own guns, so I'm definitely going to go there. We already got into a little of why I own guns to begin with, which involved a story about my brother almost being killed in a workplace shooting, so I'm sure she already knows there's a defensive angle.
That said, if she turns out to be all judgmental about it and writes me off as a paranoid weirdo, I'll let you know.
Samuel Reed
What else is new?
Nolan Gonzalez
>What else is new? I got laid last night for the first time in two years
Jonathan Nguyen
>female therapist oh dear
Brandon Miller
>she You know what you must do.
Connor Thomas
Will do, m80. It was my two cents because I had this happen to me before. It felt like I was in North Korea at that time.
I used to see a therapist for my PTSD up until about a year ago. Butch lesbian who was personally against Trump, but when I talked about how I own guns and how they help me relieve stress and cope with my post trauma in a secure environment, she seemed genuinely supportive of the idea.
I've had over a dozen therapists in my life starting from age 15 and she was the only one I really trusted. It's really hit or miss. Some therapists absolutely fucking suck at their job and I still feel angry about sessions I had 10 years ago. Others actually value and respect their clients and know how to work with you. It boils down to how comfortable you feel with your therapist and if you need to, ease in to the topic instead of dumping it all out on the table. For me, my therapist was all about moving me at a pace I'm comfortable with, and maybe it should be for you too.
I get what you mean. I've been seeing her for a month and just started talking about guns now despite them being my biggest hobby. I'm new to the whole therapy thing so I've been easing into everything I want to talk about slowly and cautiously.
Look, if you’re seeking therapy, places require you to remove dangerous objects just in case you go off the deep end and do want to get to the point of offing yourself. Don’t bring up that you have guns in the house and if you want to talk about how important guns are to you, say you left them with a friend.
Jose Butler
If you find yourself siding with the left or right you are, as a rule, putting feelings over facts. Both of their rhetorical models are based around manipulating base emotions to rile you up over symptomic issues of widespread usury and societal decay as a result of an ineffective government which has caved to said usuers.
Kevin Cruz
>t. baseless low-IQ bluepilled estrogent
Camden Myers
I mentioned target shooting my very first session and it's been a month since then, haven't been v& yet. So far she doesn't seem to care. Just worried about getting into the carrying / defensive side of things.
Brayden Cruz
She might take the fact that you own guns and are (now clinically) depressed and have anxiety is enough of a threat to yourself and others. Bear in mind I'm in Kali so this shit is just on my radar for tharapists
Justin Watson
That kind of shit doesn't fly here in MI, everything's confidential unless I make a threat to hurt myself or someone else. There's no "red flag" law like another user mentioned where anyone can report you if they feel you're dangerous for any reason.
Therapy helped me through some very hard times. If you want to get the most out of it, you have to give your therapist all you have.
Grayson Edwards
Any commiefornia anons have experience with red flag laws? What happens when you get "reported", as in which state officials show up to your property to take away your guns, and what generally happens?
Jaxson Scott
They'll knock on your door and tell you what they're there for and why, enter your home and ask you where you keep firearms, or just barge in and search depending on your assumed threat level. They may even send swat, but usually not. It is a court order so don't try resisting or you'll get that tacked on when you go try to prove your not a wacko, cus if they didn't think you were one before they sure as hell do now.
Easton Diaz
I've been to therapy yeah. You need to be able to tell your therapist everything. And a therapist is supposed to be impassive to even your darkest shit. If firearms is your hobby and you discuss it and she starts bringing politics into the matter. Find a new therapist. But all my therapists we're approving of my firearm hobby. It's a healthy behavior to want to get better at anything like target shooting or hunting and to be interested in complex mechanical things.
Now if youre into guns because you're paranoid or scared, they might be disapproving of that. It all depends on how healthy your relationship to guns is.
Jaxson Clark
More to the point, if your therapist has hoplophobia and is letting that influence their treatment, then they're dogshit at therapy anyway.
Lucas Young
Thanks man. I don't think I'm paranoid and scared, if I did I wouldn't want to talk about guns at all.
>It's a healthy behavior to want to get better at anything like target shooting or hunting and to be interested in complex mechanical things.
That's mostly why I'm interested in them. I like target shooting, but I'm most attracted to the mechanical aspects and the history. I constantly buy/sell/trade just to try new things because I like seeing how they work.
That said, I've already learned a few things about myself since starting therapy so maybe there's something about my fascination with guns I haven't realized yet, which is part of why I want to talk about it.
John Gomez
Description of the agents? Are they wearing uniforms or street clothes? How many of them typically show up, and in what kind of vehicles?
Hunter Wood
>When you talk about that stuff, they instantly think that you’re paranoid because their minds are stuck inside their privileged, middle class world, where they never had to worry about being gang stalked or attacked. I don't understand this. wanting to protect your life or others you care about is a universal desire. The last line of defense for that is a gun. It's a tool for preserving your life. People who think no one ever needs a gun aren't seeing both sides of the coin. You can take precautions and do everything possible to avoid danger but danger isn't interested in avoiding you.
Samuel Jones
Just world fallacy: it's impossible for bad things to happen to "good" people, because if something bad happens to you, you brought it upon yourself in some way that they have not seen and are therefore deserve it because you are not "good" anymore nor were you ever.
After all, we live in the best of all possible worlds.
What's govt effective at besides killing and imprisonment?
Wyatt Perez
Building and then neglecting roads
levying taxes and then losing the money into the aether
stroking corporate shaft and swallowing the load
Asher Peterson
Sorry. I just don't understand the self pity or the weakness. I don't get whining to some social worker who couldn't cut it in the real job market. Man the fuck up. Or keep crying to some twat because you feel like a victim of life... What do I care?
Caleb Gonzalez
We heard you the first time
Julian Gray
So you see. It's a matter of limiting govt intervention...not getting an effective govt.
John Roberts
Except I didn't make that post.
Lincoln Barnes
What state are you in? Some states require therapists to snitch on gun owners. Look that shit up before discussing it with your shrink.
Jackson Long
Michigan, was already asked by other anons. No "red flag" laws here so unless I threaten myself or others anything I say is confidential.
Connor Gomez
>it's impossible for bad things to happen to "good" people, because if something bad happens to you, you brought it upon yourself in some way This is a dumb idea to have. But I don't think they consciously have it. They feel it and then orient their political beliefs around protecting this stupid notion.
Bentley Gonzalez
Alright, just talk about it as a casual hobby. None of the SHALL bullshit, no politics, no edgy shit. You should tak about it with the same bland enthusiasm as a computer geek talks about last-gen graphic cards
Parker Perry
I'm not a die hard gun nut (sorry Jow Forums) so no AM I BEING DETAINED MOLON LABE was planned.
Cameron Turner
Sounds like youll be fine then
Nathaniel Gutierrez
Hi user, first kudos for you for seeking out help. It's not the easiest thing to do.
I have seen a therapist which I suppose counts as being "in therapy", but I was never diagnosed with depression, anxiety, bipolar, or anything. I basically just had a really bad breakup that I couldn't stop thinking about and wanted to talk to someone professional, nonjudgemental, and skilled.
I did bring up the fact that I own guns and it was very clear that she didn't feel like civilians should own ARs, so we had an obvious disagreement there, but she never made it personal and I never felt like she thought less of me for it. Obviously she was concerned if I ever had self-harming thoughts (though she never asked about violent thoughts), but that's okay - it's her job.
I think the most I talked to her about it is that I had a few rifles, enjoyed target shooting, and was interested in having a few handguns as well for the same reason.
I think as long as you don't make it political I can't see any reason why you should have get into a disagreement about it or be nervous about bringing it up. But, I would also say that if you do carry on a regular basis, probably don't carry into her office.
Also on a personal note I'm not sure how you store your guns at home but I think making sure there's a couple steps (like, actions, not physical difference) between you and a loaded firearm is a safe idea.
Keep taking care of yourself user, I'm rooting for you :)
Colton Ward
Thanks a lot user, I appreciate the input. No, I never planned to make it political. On the contrary, I was afraid she would for some reason, that's partly why I'm hesitant to talk about it. She's been nothing but professional so far though so that fear is totally unfounded.
I keep my guns in a locked cabinet in my room, but I usually have one on me. I've never seriously contemplated suicide, but a few times when I was feeling especially shitty I locked everything up and put the key somewhere else in the house.
