What can a civilian resistance use in place of MMG and GPMG during early days of conflict before they can supplement their stocks with captured, purchased, or donated arms?
What can a civilian resistance use in place of MMG and GPMG during early days of conflict before they can supplement...
Asher Nelson
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Brody Bell
MG42 parts kits?
Jordan Barnes
The GPMG's and MMG's that are in private hands already.
Caleb Murphy
in all honesty, an AR-15/AR-10 is pretty damn flexible, and Americans have significant wealth i.e., manufacturing capability spread all over.
they could probably whip up decent belt-fed conversions for AR parts
but the entire notion is just silly in such a western country imo. it would probably be IRA style domestic terror instead of widespread open rebellion.
Easton Davis
Go away Homeland Security.
Carson Cooper
Directional mines/charges, won't work for extended suppression (Unless you have a truckload of them) but will tick the "fuck everything over there" box just fine.
Added bonus of low risk to operator if placed before enemy is within shooting distance.
Ian Moore
We have the option for belt fed ARs we can order them from brownells, probably midway and cheaper than dirt as well.
They are like 1500-2k iirc which is pretty stupid expensive when I can pick up a semi gucci AR, mags and a couple thousand rounds instead.
Joshua Gray
A plasma rifle in the 40-watt range
Charles Ramirez
That early they should focus on individual soldiers or smaller patrols, not taking on squad or platoon sized elements.
Accurate rifle fire does this much better then automatic spraying.
Caleb Ward
AR15 with echo 2, HBAR, D60/magpul 40s, and an optional DOLOS Quick change barrel mod if you think you’ll actually sling that much lead(not worth carrying another barrel).
Kind of an AR version of an RPK
Adrian Long
>we wont be ransacking nat guard armories on day one
Ryder Hernandez
Just wait a few weeks until all the guards die of kidney failure.
Jonathan Ramirez
>LMG
5.56 AR with bumpfire stock, bipod and drum mags
>GPMG
Same thing, but with an AR-10
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Sorry for the mental retardation in this video
Evan Turner
concealable firearms, explosives, and blending in with the populace
Chase Nelson
Pic related in .45-70 bolted to the back of a pickup.
Isaac Watson
OMFG Rip It's...... My stomach has never hurt as much as when I drank those. THey used to give us Redbull and then about half way through our deployment they switched to these shits. Some fucker number cruncher probably got a bonus for saving money. Meanwhile we are up all night on patrol wishing we had Redbulls.
Tyler Hall
>day one
This tells me youre retarded
Oliver Barnes
Fuck you rip was good damned amazing. Red bull tastes like chalk and piss, rip tasted like generic monster.
Ryan Perry
XMG 34
MGA MK48
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Binary triggers for practice, drop ins for rock and roll
William Bennett
Nyet Comrade! It was straight battery acid. I gotta say, giving us energy drinks was the smartest thing they could've done.
Luke Adams
It's a bit sugary, but can't argue with the price. I like mixing them with gin.
Jaxon Jackson
Ambush tactics.
Asher Gutierrez
This.
If it came down to it, guerilla warfare would be our best option. Dump a mag from an AR with a bumpstock into a convoy and run away then blend back into the population. place tannerate on the road, or use black powder to make homemade explosives.
It wouldn't be hard at all, why we aren't already doing it is puzzling to me.
Carson Robinson
Piston AR-15 with the heaviest barrel you can find and a crank trigger.
Lincoln Turner
Because nobody will do anything as long as there’s beer and nfl
Evan Howard
Chase Rodriguez
Wouldn't an AR upper receiver bring so easily taken off work for a quick change application assuming you had several in stock? Would be an interesting tactic for sustained suppressive fire.
Hudson Gonzalez
nat guard will probably be on your side depending on the state
Nathan Powell
Cetme/ptr/hk91 modified to be full retard again.l
Juan Evans
A converted battle rifle?
Camden Torres
TOO...MANY...SIPS
Jace Cooper
in the balkans wars in the 90s bases were the among the first targets to get raided.
the other way is mexican cartels, but you cN bet itll be the cartels raiding the bases
Ian Torres
I'm not saying my unit would... but it is discussed. A lot.
Cooper Morris
Nice. That's what I've heard from most vets/active aswell. Why leave with nothing when you can take it with you?
Evan Russell
>order brother in arms to suppress a target at some 400m range
>he throws a claymore in front of your cover and detonates it
>cover explodes, leaving us exposed
>the few fragments that land anywhere near the target are ineffective
Are you retarded?
Ignoring the above, do you happen to know a lot of civilians with directional mines or the means to produce them?
You can trust me, your dog's life is in good hands.
Julian Wood
I can *smell* everything in that picture. The dust, the BO that is winning the war against the Old Spice deodorant sold at the little AAFES shit-shack, the whiffs of hadji cigarettes mixing with hadji BO that's somewhat fought off by the smell of the Newport Menthols half of my unit smoked, the smell of those Strongs mixed with the Rip-its mixed with the Tiger that's on everyone's breath as we talk about each and every sexual experience we've ever had, in excruciating detail, in the more somber moments in between the endless gay, dicks, and fart jokes.
Fuck you, 2006. Yet somehow I miss you.
Caleb Ross
>>order brother in arms to suppress a target at some 400m range
>>he throws a claymore in front of your cover and detonates it
>>cover explodes, leaving us exposed
>>the few fragments that land anywhere near the target are ineffective
>Are you retarded?
If that was the scenario you could come up with i think YOU might be retarded.
What part of
>won't work for extended suppression
Did you fail to understand?
>means to produce them
Directional charges aren't exactly hard to make, and if you can't figure out how i think google might help you.
Your local Gestapo might not like you doing so though, so better to just shoot your dog to begin with.
Nolan Harris
>think up scenario where a GPMG would likely be used (suppress someone at moderate to long distance)
>suggested alternative clearly falls flat on its face
>"yeah but it wasn't really what I meant"
nice argument, you really convinced me that a claymore can replace an MG.
What do you mean by "extended" suppression? Does it refer to duration or distance?
If the latter, do you consider 200m "extended"? For reference, the upper limits of a claymore's range is 250m.
>Directional charges aren't exactly hard to make
Provided you happen to have explosives on hand.
Do you happen to have readily available explosives, or at least the skills, tools and raw materials to make them?
John Long
You can get an m16 trigger group, user. All you need to do is drill a 1/8" hole above the selector hole.
Eli Long
>nice argument, you really convinced me that a claymore can replace an MG.
If you take in consideration the context of the topic:
>use in place of MMG and GPMG during early days of conflict before they can supplement their stocks with captured, purchased, or donated arms
Meaning, mostly ambush situations to capture enemy weapons and equipment.
Suppression is not the only use of MGs.
>What do you mean by "extended" suppression? Does it refer to duration or distance?
In this situation, both.
With duration being the main limiting factor, but that early in the game you shoulden't be engaging anything bigger then a fireteam or possibly squad size element anyway.
But, using heavier payload material you could easily extend the range up to a effective range (Not maximum) of 250m. Does of course come at the cost of heavier and bulkier charges and not as efficient use of materials.
>Provided you happen to have explosives on hand.
Finding people with access to explosives is also easier in many cases then getting machineguns.
I know off the top of my head 2 people with access to large amounts of explosives, and possibly 3 more that could get their hands on some in limited numbers.
Then there is pretty much anyone that reloads or shoot black powder if you are really desperate.
Gun powder (even blackpowder) works just fine, it's not efficient and won't give you a very impressive range (Unless you make a shitload of "barrels" pointed downrange, think oversized improvised shotgun) but will get the work done.
Austin Sullivan
TL:DR:
What i mean is you can match the short term "lead in the air" of a GPMG with directional charges, not their suppression.